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LaceyLou

1/11/2012 7:53:05 PM
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What I didn't know about Body By Vi

So I have been asked/told by thousands of people (actually only about 35, but it seems like thousands some days) to join Body By Vi.  
First of all, I am barely overweight so I take this as an insult to begin with.  
Second of all I have already lost and kept off alot of weight successfully on another program.  
But EVERYONE seems to think I HAVE to do this!!!  
 
So I started looking into it and comparing it with the program I had successfully used.  
 
And I found this EYE-OPENING article that I had to share, and will be sharing with ALL of them!!  
 
 
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/low-carb-dieter-beware-soy-based-body-by-vi-visalus-protein-shake-mixes-not-a-panacea/12336  
 
Low-Carb Dieter Beware: Soy-Based ‘Body By Vi’ Visalus Protein Shake Mixes Not A Panacea  

Tagged as: Body By Vi,  Weightloss,  Scam,  Soy,  
 
 
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Mist

1/11/2012 8:18:51 PM
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soy

I actually stopped drinking them after I learned more about the effects of too much soy (and I was having it with soy milk because I do not drink reg milk often).  
Also because of the artificial sweeteners. They raise your blood sugar high just as much as any other sugar. I would rather consume the real deal or stevia.  
I am looking for a protein mix alternative actually. I know I don't get enough.

buttons_90

1/11/2012 8:43:53 PM
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mis-information

Take a look at the substantiated facts about soy provided on this website  
 
http://www.womentowomen.com/healthynutrition/soycontroversy.aspx  
 

Mist

1/11/2012 8:44:13 PM
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good link

  
Nordberg said "All of these plans end up being ridiculous. There is always a problem or a side effect.  
 
Eat Food. Not too much. Mostly Plants. -Michael Pollan  
 
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20090323/7-rules-for-eating?print=true "

thanks! i like his rules for eating!

Pandora

1/11/2012 11:58:44 PM
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Artificial sugars

  
Miss said "I actually stopped drinking them after I learned more about the effects of too much soy (and I was having it with soy milk because I do not drink reg milk often).  
Also because of the artificial sweeteners. They raise your blood sugar high just as much as any other sugar. I would rather consume the real deal or stevia.  
I am looking for a protein mix alternative actually. I know I don't get enough. "

Don't raise your blood sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/AN00348  
 

Mist

1/12/2012 12:26:25 AM
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weird

  
Pandora said "
  
Miss said "I actually stopped drinking them after I learned more about the effects of too much soy (and I was having it with soy milk because I do not drink reg milk often).  
Also because of the artificial sweeteners. They raise your blood sugar high just as much as any other sugar. I would rather consume the real deal or stevia.  
I am looking for a protein mix alternative actually. I know I don't get enough. "

Don't raise your blood sugar. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/AN00348  
 
"

another Doctor told me they did

just_thinkin

1/12/2012 1:31:27 AM
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That guy is destroying the economy

  
Nordberg said "All of these plans end up being ridiculous. There is always a problem or a side effect.  
 
Eat Food. Not too much. Mostly Plants. -Michael Pollan  
 
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20090323/7-rules-for-eating?print=true "

Rule number 4 is-  
 
Don't eat anything that won't eventually rot. "There are exceptions - honey - but as a rule, things like Twinkies that never go bad aren't food," Pollan says.  
 
That harsh indictment may have cost a lot of jobs.  
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577154402317896574.html  
 
And Wonder Bread, too!  
 
God only knows how many other jobs in the chemical production sector will be impacted.  
 
:-)

Tarry

1/12/2012 3:04:47 AM
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Vi

I just know it's not for me.  
There are no fixes beside healthy eating and to me, the whole Vi thing is a major sales pitch.  
 
You always know the difference between a good product that major stores will carry vs. the high cost of a gimmick that has to be bought by an independent distributor.  
 
Sorry Vi'ers, but I think you are being taken.  
 
Just my opinion.

Brandonrules

1/12/2012 7:33:23 AM
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Just a money grab

As far as I can tell, the best part about Vi is the money the distributors are making. If you are friends with anyone on Facebook that is involved in this, their pictures/posts/etc are littered with free BMW's, big cheques, talk of free trips, etc. Oh yes, then they mention that they lost some weight (which IMO, they will put back on).

foxtrot11

1/12/2012 7:41:13 AM
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Thanks for sharing

But most of the health aspect listed do fly in the face of common sense anyway.  
 
Sounds like just another "get rich quick" and "magic bullet pill" for weight loss scheme to me. All they need to add is something in the mix to promise you will magically stop smoking without pain too and you have the triad of New Years resolutions!

Zekeland

1/12/2012 8:14:18 AM
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What I did know...

B B V is a total pyramid scam. Preying on individuals who are overweight or think they are overweight with a quick fix. That is all it is.  
 
Not sure what the health implications will be in the long run for users, but it wont be good.  
 
All sellers will praise the product and tell how it works so well just to make another sale. Cant imagine how much money is wasted on this product. Actually just look and see who is driving the free beemers around town.  
 
nuff said

Opus

1/12/2012 8:19:44 AM
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Apr 2005
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My experience with Body by Vi

I really enjoyed the shakes but with an underlying Thyroid problem my numbers were going wonky. That is when I discovered the information about soy and its affect on thyroid. Since I stopped and continued with natural remedies, my thyroid is leveling out.  
 
To add to the list of recommended reads - The Happiness Diet. I'm only beginning to read it but the history of how all this crappy processed food has come about is fascinating.

Carol

1/12/2012 8:19:50 AM
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dangerous

I already heard a story on how this is not so good for you bbut until i actually know more facts i can't say too much

kindnessmatters

1/12/2012 9:05:04 AM
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May 2009
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Consider this...

There is a false concern here, the soy protein in the Vi shakes has had the Isoflavones, the dangerous component, removed so do not worry.  
Also, if you believe in the good in people, you will relize the distributors are trying to change people's lives for the better. We certainly are not trying to scam our friends and family's into anything other than introducing them to a heathly living alternative. Many of us are making very little money, but love the products. But why not support the people you know rather than the retailers? You don't head to the mall and say "they are trying to take my money"  
Promoting Visalus is no different than selling Avon, or Epicure. If someone loves the products and wants to sell a little, there is no harm done. Besides our products DO work and come with a money back guarentee.  
As for the sucralose concern? Funny, no one here considers how dangerous pulling up to the fast food window, or buying non-organic fruits/veggies, or chlorine in your drinking water,or food dyes,or meat laced with antibiotics, are for your health.  
Consider all this before judging your friends, or these products.

Michelle Budiwski

1/12/2012 9:29:10 AM
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Apr 2009
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Consider this...

  
jd and dj said "There is a false concern here, the soy protein in the Vi shakes has had the Isoflavones, the dangerous component, removed so do not worry.  
Also, if you believe in the good in people, you will relize the distributors are trying to change people's lives for the better. We certainly are not trying to scam our friends and family's into anything other than introducing them to a heathly living alternative. Many of us are making very little money, but love the products. But why not support the people you know rather than the retailers? You don't head to the mall and say "they are trying to take my money"  
Promoting Visalus is no different than selling Avon, or Epicure. If someone loves the products and wants to sell a little, there is no harm done. Besides our products DO work and come with a money back guarentee.  
As for the sucralose concern? Funny, no one here considers how dangerous pulling up to the fast food window, or buying non-organic fruits/veggies, or chlorine in your drinking water,or food dyes,or meat laced with antibiotics, are for your health.  
Consider all this before judging your friends, or these products. "

No matter what the people at the top tell you - attending sales meetings and reading product literature and claims does NOT qualify you to make nutritional recommendations to people en masse. Without knowing each person's history, medical condition and medications you cannot possible tell them what is safe for them to consume or how it will work for them.  
 
You are sales people, not nutritionists, dieticians or doctors and yet Body by Vi and other 'product' fads are using lay people to promote and sell potentially harmful substances to people without even considering that they could do more harm than good.  
 
And that is above and beyond the fact that these products simply do not work for sustainable healthy weight loss and are designed only for one thing - to keep people on them and to keep the money rolling in - if not for the sales people who may truly believe, but they company itself. You are fooling yourself into thinking that these fads aren't scams. If they truly worked - if all you needed to do to lose weight and keep it off without damaging your body or metabolism was to consume some product - don't you think Oprah would not only be thing but buy the company?  
 
What drives me nuts about Body by Vi is that whenever I ask any distributor, 'What qualifies you to dispense metobolic advise and nutritional products to people?' They unequivicolly say - well I attend all the sales meetings and read all the product info!  
 
really? Don't you think that the people who stand to make all the profit have a vested interest in telling everyone what they want to hear in order to keep cranking out the sales? You may not even know that what you are telling people is safe may not be for them and you can actually be causing long term irreparable damage to them - do friends do that to friends?  
 
If you want to help your friends lose weight - go for a walk with them, buy them a salad - DON'T dispense advise and products that can potentially harm them just because someone somewhere told you they are safe.

BILLYTHEKID

1/12/2012 9:47:28 AM
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Well Butterfly:

In this case I sorta agree with you, this body by vi stuff is just a Jewellaway or some other pyramid scheme that too in time will pass. But, you are painting all the BBV people with the same brush, the lady that appraoched me to try this was a nutritionist at the local RHA, so I feel she was qualified to try her sales approach on me. So until you have met every sales rep please don't generalize like that.  
In my opinio this stuff doesnt work and will be gone not soon enough

rae2011

1/12/2012 9:54:21 AM
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Nov 2011
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My Opinion

It's the same as any other "fad" diet. If you reduce your calorie intake, drink shakes and only eat 1 healthy meal day, of course you are going to loose weight. I have never been on it, never will be. Friends of mine have, some gained, some lost no weight. Are you really going to drink shakes the rest of your life to keep weight off? Who doesnt want/enjoy eat real food?!

Michelle Budiwski

1/12/2012 9:59:38 AM
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Really?

  
BILLYTHEKID said "In this case I sorta agree with you, this body by vi stuff is just a Jewellaway or some other pyramid scheme that too in time will pass. But, you are painting all the BBV people with the same brush, the lady that appraoched me to try this was a nutritionist at the local RHA, so I feel she was qualified to try her sales approach on me. So until you have met every sales rep please don't generalize like that.  
In my opinio this stuff doesnt work and will be gone not soon enough "

If ANY qualified professional in the nutrition, dietic or medical field is recommending any meal replacement product for a healthy weight loss program - I would LOVE to discuss it with them and find out why they are going against all their training and education to endorse it.  
 
Sad how many 'professionals' sell out. Just makes these fads that much harder to reign in  
 
Did you know that because these 'supplements' are considered food they are NOT regulated like other drugs and medications? That means they do not have to go through the same trials, standards, verifications and safety tests that medications do BUT because they are being consumed they pose just as much risk of interactions, and adverse side effects.  
 
Sad, so sad that people actually think there is an 'fast and easy' sustainable weight loss solution and even more sad is how many people will profit off of convincing others that there is.  
 
Snake Oil Salesmen.  
 
If you have ANY accredited professional recommending a pill or shake to lose weight - I would find a new professional.

Cheezies

1/12/2012 10:02:15 AM
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Oct 2010
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For now

  
jd and dj said "There is a false concern here, the soy protein in the Vi shakes has had the Isoflavones, the dangerous component, removed so do not worry.  
Also, if you believe in the good in people, you will relize the distributors are trying to change people's lives for the better. We certainly are not trying to scam our friends and family's into anything other than introducing them to a heathly living alternative. Many of us are making very little money, but love the products. But why not support the people you know rather than the retailers? You don't head to the mall and say "they are trying to take my money"  
Promoting Visalus is no different than selling Avon, or Epicure. If someone loves the products and wants to sell a little, there is no harm done. Besides our products DO work and come with a money back guarentee.  
As for the sucralose concern? Funny, no one here considers how dangerous pulling up to the fast food window, or buying non-organic fruits/veggies, or chlorine in your drinking water,or food dyes,or meat laced with antibiotics, are for your health.  
Consider all this before judging your friends, or these products. "

So maybe there is false concern for now. But what happens if something is discovered a year or two from now and you purposely put your friends and family at risk? Products such as Avon have been tested for years. Do I sue you for my failing health due to improper diet? You would have been the one to distribute it to me.  
This product requires you to stay on it forever in an essence as even when you have lost the weight you have not learned how to keep it off without the product. No proper nutrition and balance is taught for after you have lost weight. This is were I feel it is a scam.  
None of the friends that I have that are on this product or are selling it have a medical or nutritional background. They are basing it on info they are being fed from a company making tonnes of money off innocent people. How can you guarantee all the info your are given from the company is correct?  
Also a friend of mine is selling this product and she is maybe a size zero to begin with. That's because she walks miles and miles everyday. She was super tiny to begin with as she works very hard at it. So when so people see her selling BBV they think, WOW look at her if this could make me look like that I'll take it. Little do they know it has NOTHING to do with the product they are trying to buy. That's false advertising to me, but she is making money off it.  
 
So yes I do feel it is a scam, as it is not really a healthy living alternative. Teaching someone proper nutrition, balance and exercise is a healthy living alternative. Not addicting them to an expensive product that they would have to remain on indefinetly. I would have a hard time collecting money off my friends and family for helping them improve their lifestyle.  
 
I agree with Butterfly, take them for a walk, buy them a salad.  
 
Also for many of the shakes you have to buy all the ingredient to go with it. How is this helping family save money? It would be cheaper to just buy all the fresh fruits and veggies and go for a walk daily. May be a little slower coming off, but you will have learned how to do it properly and keep it off without these people making money of you. This is an expensive quick fix to me!  
 
And yes all the people I know on facebook (friends & family) that are on this product are driving me NUTS with how aggressive they are becoming. As once you have plateau'd finding new recruits it gets crazy! They become addicted to the status in the company and money brought in!

JC

1/12/2012 10:03:16 AM
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Wow

People, People. Maybe you should live a little more by my rule - Believe half of what is written and none of what's said.  
You end up getting to much bad information from people who know not what they are talking about.  
 
The Vi products are great, nutritious and easy-plain and simple. You are not substituting all food for shakes, merely suplimenting one or two meals a day AND eating REAL food inbetween and for snacks and other meals.  
 
It's amazing how much time and effort you are putting into this research when in fact every other product you purchase at the grocery store, or at any fast food restaurant (God help us), you willingly throw into your mouth without a second thought.  
 
There is also just as much training with the Body by Vi program than there is with any other program offerred (Herbal Magic, U weight loss etc.). These people are not doctors or certified professionals by any means, rather everyday people trying to run a business.  
 
There are thousands and thousands of fitness professionals and regular every day people having great success with the Body by Vi Challenge, whether it is to loose weight or just live a healthier lifestyle. Your right, not everyone needs to loose weight including myself, but I use the products because of the balanced nutrition that you just can't get from regular food three times a day.  
 
They are healthy for you, pure and simple-give it a rest and find something to do with your day.  

Mela

1/12/2012 10:10:34 AM
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Thank you!! I'm so glad people are finally informing themselves about this. I use protein powder as we'll but I'd never imagine using a soy protein twice a day.  
 
The real problem I have with Bi comes down to the fact that in it's essence it is a crash diet parading like a health product. And the marketing tricks try to convince people who love food that they won't miss it because the shake tastes so good. People who love food should not go on a meal replacement diet. I've lost a fair amount of weight and kept it off and while I know I need to lose more, I also know that if I want to keep it off in the long run, then I have to keep working on healthy changes to my meals and more exercise, not some crash diet I couldn't possibly turn into a life long style of living.

JC

1/12/2012 10:14:54 AM
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Sorry

Not a crash diet. Again don't believe everything you hear or read from nay-sayer's.  

Cheezies

1/12/2012 10:24:06 AM
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okay

  
JC said "Not a crash diet. Again don't believe everything you hear or read from nay-sayer's.  
"

So why should I believe you??? You say "don't believe everything you hear or read from nay-sayer's" but I am supposed to believe you. Are you a doctor, nutritionalist? Other than simply being on this product what background do you have for me to base this on? It could work both ways for the belief system. Just cause some random person tells me it works for them, doesn't mean it works for everyone. Do you make money off using this product? Maybe I would have more of a tendency to believe in it, if so many people focused on the benefits of it instead of recruiting. Maybe I would believe more if there was no money to be made for recruiting, or BMW's handed out.  
Then I might inclined to look into this further. Any company worth it's weight (pun intended) wouldn't need to lure people into the product with flashy things.  
I haven't seen that with U weight loss, or Herbal Magic.  
If things are so good why not let the product speak for itself!  
 
Edited by TDL, 2012-01-12 10:25:55

traveller

1/12/2012 10:37:34 AM
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:)

i'm just curious, how is this meal replacement drink any different than slim fast or others? how is the soy in it more of a problem than other soy based food and drinks like soya milk or tofu, that is the fad now?  
 
i don't drink these as i'm not interested in fad diets or pyramid schemes, but it seems to me that this is products marketing has gotten a better buzz than others and the MLM combined with the quick fix weight loss gimmick makes people blind really you can get all of your nutritional needs with a good diet consisting of real foods and proper portions, add a bit of exercise and wallah, your as healthy as you can be

rae2011

1/12/2012 10:40:46 AM
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Agree

  
Mela said "Thank you!! I'm so glad people are finally informing themselves about this. I use protein powder as we'll but I'd never imagine using a soy protein twice a day.  
 
The real problem I have with Bi comes down to the fact that in it's essence it is a crash diet parading like a health product. And the marketing tricks try to convince people who love food that they won't miss it because the shake tastes so good. People who love food should not go on a meal replacement diet. I've lost a fair amount of weight and kept it off and while I know I need to lose more, I also know that if I want to keep it off in the long run, then I have to keep working on healthy changes to my meals and more exercise, not some crash diet I couldn't possibly turn into a life long style of living."

I totally agree.  
Food is a part of life. Enjoying food and learning how to maintain a healthy lifestyle is the most important part!!

Eleanor

1/12/2012 10:45:22 AM
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I don't hear about any training

on healthy lifestyles and healthy eating that is included with the purchase of the products. The shakes by themselves are actually too low in calories to be considered a meal. I suppose that adding the milk would increase the calories.  
 
I have not heard how long you have to be on the shakes in order to maintain the weight loss. I talked to someone who used the shakes for 6 months, lost some weight and when she went off the shakes gained all the weight back. If she had replaced the shakes with some healthy eating, she might have maintained the weight loss.  
 
Exercise, as BF stated, is also an important component of any weight loss program and also important for healthy lifestyles.  
 
BF also stated that supplements are considered good. The same agency that says how many slices of peperoni should be on a pizza regulate most supplements. There are, however, supplements out there that are pharmaceutical grade and regulated the same way prescription drugs are regulated.  
 
As a culture we have become too familiar with the fast food industry whether it is the drive through or packaged foods with all the additives. We need to get back to basics of lean protein and lots of vegetables, fruit and healthy fats. It really isn't difficult but it does that a little more thought. There are ways that healthy meals can be made in less time if we take the time to plan.

bananarama1983

1/12/2012 11:09:37 AM
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Different circumstances....

I am taking this product but for diiferent reasons. I have metablolism issues, as well as a hypothyroid problem. I am scheduled for gastric bypass surgery in the near future, but my doctor said I must lose 50 pounds before they can safely perform this procedure. This is by far the fastest and easiest way to achieve those kind of results in my books. I know it is maybe not the best way, but I need to lose it fast. Also, I have noticed a significant increase in my energy levels on this product as well. Not everyone is using it for the same reasons is my point....

JC

1/12/2012 11:10:53 AM
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TDL

Yes I am certified medical professional, no I do not get paid from Vi and please-if any other company (Herbal, U Weight etc) were not making money they would not be offerring services and the storefronts would close.

Cheezies

1/12/2012 11:17:21 AM
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Good to know

  
JC said "Yes I am certified medical professional, no I do not get paid from Vi and please-if any other company (Herbal, U Weight etc) were not making money they would not be offerring services and the storefronts would close. "

That's great that you are a medical professional and feel confident with your choice. I spoke to my medical professional last week on this matter and was directed away from it. I guess not everyone will agree.  
I am not saying that those other companies don't make money, BUT they don't have to pay people to use it either. They don't have to use fancy objects to get them to continue to use it and promote it. There is a difference.

myomy

1/12/2012 11:19:35 AM
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.....

  
JC said "Yes I am certified medical professional, no I do not get paid from Vi and please-if any other company (Herbal, U Weight etc) were not making money they would not be offerring services and the storefronts would close. "

If you are not getting paid, you are probably getting your shake mix for free.  
 
Even medically trained people make bad decisions. It's not uncommon to see doctors/surgeons etc. outside having a smoke in between patients. Certainly not a reason or valid excuse for anyone else to start smoking.

 
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