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Shirley Booth

7/11/2012 9:01:13 AM
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The City has a new ‘Cash Cow”

The Honeymoon is over when it comes to introducing Garbage Recycling.  
 
The city is now using a “Big Stick” to enforce its myriad of Rules, I was fined $200.00 for placing a 2 foot plastic Venetian Blind outside a collection Bin  
at the Clark Drive site.  
 
I broke the Bye-law because I could not see a Plastic Recycling Bin.  
 
They do not exist.  
 
The city does not recycle Plastic, Paint, Batteries, Tim Horton’s Coffee Cups, and who knows what else.  
 
The people who live in the ‘Hub’ are right, do not take pride in your back lane.  
 
Dump your obsolete mattresses and furniture by a back fence.  
 
I am no longer removing such articles from my back fence and taking them to the Dump for others without a Truck.  
 
I am no longer washing out and steaming the labels from my cans, or sorting the glass bottles and the Pop-cans, or bundling up my Newspapers and Flyers, the last of which I do not requestor or read, but they still keep coming.  
 
To me it is going to be all Garbage.  
 
I thought that “Recycling” was the way to go to protect our future, but I cannot afford this new development.  
 
My limited Pension is being eroded away, my Residential Taxes have increased by $650.00 this year.  
 
Now I am looking at a $200.00 Fine every time I innocently break the “Solid Waste Bye-law.”  
 
Nobody who works for the city has an answer, the Bye-law officer who hides in the bushes taking licence plate numbers says, “I’m only doing my job”,  
the lady who collects the Fine, says, “I only work here, don’t blame me, and my City Councillor says, “I get fined too, so don’t complain to me”.  
 
Brandon’s new Motto should be: “Welcome to Brandon, where Its a great place to live, but Bureaucracy runs wild”.  
 

 
 
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ICYMI

7/11/2012 9:29:02 AM
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Let me get this right . . you broke a by-law and it is the City's fault for enforcing it?  
 
You can recycle plastic at the centre by the movie theatre FYI.  
 
Also oversized items are picked up for $5, which is also cheaper than the fine.  
 
It's your fault, deal with it. Nobody to blame but yourself.

Marpet

7/11/2012 9:32:26 AM
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I appreciate...

... and understand your frustration, especially given your limited finances. If I understand correctly, you left a plastic blind outside of a bin at the recycle depot because there is no plastic recycling bin. If this blind was left on the ground, then unfortunately it's littering.  
This is certainly not a new cash cow. Littering has been against the law for a long time and personally I'm glad to see it being enforced, although, leave it to the city to punish those who are TRYING to do the right thing and not those who toss crap out the window while driving alone.  
A simple fix for the city would be to place a garbage bin along side the recycling bins so that if you were unsure, you could just toss it but then people would use that bin instead of going to the dump with their truck loads of crap.  
Crappy situation but littering is littering. If they didn't try to enforce it, I would imagine the Clark site would become a secondary landfill. I know I don't want that.  
 
Marpet

Caligula

7/11/2012 9:46:48 AM
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Directionless leadership

Sorry to read of your misfortune Robert and completely understand the apathy which goes hand in hand with our local and provincial governments over recycling.  
 
Imagine if all those environmental levies were actually put towards a recycling program (example Sarcan of Saskatchewan), we could be in a class such as that. Being part of "the slurpee capital of the world" province, a levy on that alone plus what we're paying now could really get things cleaned up.  
 
Where do those environmental levies go anyways?  
 
Now that Winnipeg is in the process of adopting similar refuse collection, it's easy to foresee which of Manitoba's two largest cities will claim title to "ghetto garbage capital of Manitoba".

bigmoe

7/11/2012 9:58:02 AM
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Hey at least the dump stopped charging people who save the city work by bringing out their garbage to the dump themselves.

Caligula

7/11/2012 10:00:14 AM
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bigmoe said "Hey at least the dump stopped charging people who save the city work by bringing out their garbage to the dump themselves. "

I thought the whole idea of recycling was to "limit" landfill use.

hermione

7/11/2012 10:18:55 AM
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Agree OP

another cash cow.

Connected2News

7/11/2012 10:38:00 AM
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So, which bylaws should exist and which shouldn't? Do away with the ones that cause you inconvenience?  
Does this mean that the younger people living nearby who like to party should have no worries about being fined for noise violations?  
Or does this mean people should be allowed to park anywhere they want with no fear of a ticket?  
 
You can't pick and choose which bylaws are 'pointless' based on which ones you get busted for.

Shirley Booth

7/11/2012 10:53:54 AM
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Feb 2007
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The Fine was not for Littering

it was for breaking the Solid waste Bye-law. The only sign at this location is no dumping Tree Trimmings.  
 
Of course its my fault, but $200 for choosing the wrong bin?

holybatman

7/11/2012 10:56:43 AM
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Mar 2009
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I too was fined 200.00 for taking branches there. If you pay within 15 days you only have to pay 100.00. They have hidden cameras there.

braid

7/11/2012 11:25:42 AM
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Only

Only reason I use our recycle bin is to make myself feel better and makes less in garbage bin so don't have to put out as often We do it properly...wash cans, place newspapers and the dreaded flyers in a cardboard cereal box etc.. trouble is...we are the only one in the whole area that do it properly..ALL the people in our neighborhood put their recycle in plastic bags..then in the recycle bin so the whole truck is probably contaminated. sigh.  
FYI Robert...put a little sign on your mail box that says "NO FLYERS" ... that may help. Used to see a lot of those when our son delivered papers. [ a lot of years ago ]and we would skip those houses. We hardly get any so haven't bothered.

Johnbisonbear

7/11/2012 11:40:42 AM
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Mar 2010
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my backlane

Are you kidding me? The bylaw needs to take a look at my backlane, currently we have a chair at one end that has been sitting there for a couple of months, at the other end of the lane there is a small mattress, a large mattress, a large couch and a tv. Matter of fact our backlane looks like a second drop off site for the dump! It always looks this way, nothing new!I guess Clark Drive is a nice area, ours is not fancy enough for bylaw to come and enforce clean up, believe me I've tried!

Spiker

7/11/2012 12:31:28 PM
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Mar 2012
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JBB

Maybe if you called By-Law Enforcement they will get it cleaned up. I know several people who have complained on here about this sort of thing and when I asked them they haven't called anyone.

saltnpepper

7/11/2012 12:35:47 PM
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Jul 2012
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No backlane

That is one reason I am glad we don't have a backlane. No mess or other peoples garbage.

CJC

7/11/2012 1:00:42 PM
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Aug 2009
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Sorry for your luck...

But..  
When the recycling program was first introduced all home owners and apartment complexes we given documentation explaining the program and reciprocations for not following it. Im happy there are finally going after people for improper disposal. Just imagine if everyone didnt follow it. We would have over flowing bins and big item garbage beside every bin. No offence but i am happy they are finally starting to enforce these by laws. Its been well over two years and i think people have gotten too comfortable just getting away with it.

Johnbisonbear

7/11/2012 1:32:33 PM
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last year

  
Spiker said "Maybe if you called By-Law Enforcement they will get it cleaned up. I know several people who have complained on here about this sort of thing and when I asked them they haven't called anyone. "

Spiker, last year I called about a whole bunch of stuff like this but the one thing that I wanted cleaned up was three containers of food that someone had taken out of a dumpster. Bylaw did zip, I had to raise such a fuss and at the end it was the sanitation that was forced to clean it up. The food sat cooking at least 2 weeks! I think that people need to look after such messes, especially when it came out of their bin.Your bin, your mess, bylaw needs to inform them to clean up or be fined!

String

7/11/2012 1:37:02 PM
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Jun 2007
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I kinda agree with him, infrastructure not very good!

Okay,  
 
My gripe about this is no ewaste bin for batteries, even rechargeable batteries, old cell phone etc...etc. Old people and others with no car have to take it to the dump in specified area, or pay for a sticky tab to take it away on the item.  
 
I almost wanting to send a letter or email explain my concerns to the city of Brandon.  
 
If anybody else has probably with this, sign a petition.

melsey

7/11/2012 1:37:15 PM
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Jul 2010
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...

robert, I agree with you that this is a crappy way to deal with the issue. If the city can pay someone to hide in the bushes writing tickets - perhaps that person could be walking around guiding people to how to use the facility. Same money in salary but a friendlier way of teaching residents.  
 
I moved here 1.5 years ago so wasn't here 2 years ago for the documentation explaining everything and haven't once received info from the city about garbage and recycling use. This could easily be put in with water bills or tax bills. Thankfully I have internet and can look this up. I couldn't find online info for the organic collection and called city hall and boy that was fun.  
 
IMHO the only thing worse than having someone jump out of the bushes to give you a ticket for a law that you didn't know about is to have "Friendly" people trounce on you and tell you that you deserve it. In other cities when recycling is introduced or improved a lot of time and effort went into commuication to make it a success.

Hackeda

7/11/2012 5:57:34 PM
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Nov 2007
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Help me understand

So you were to put the blind in your GARBAGE bin at your house because it's not recyclable? $200.00 is pretty silly for that in my opinion. A thief stealing a blind from a store wouldn't even be fined that. I believe the by-law is there to deter the people who just toss crap wherever they feel like it.  
 
I am now looking at the city website and yet again I'm confused. Here is what I'm reading:  
 
RECYCLING Do's & Don'ts:  
"Cart lids must CLOSE completely or else automated trucks cannot pick-up (i.e. cut tree branches to fit or take to drop-off depots).There are no drop off areas in the City for tree branches, they should be brought to landfill for disposal."  
 
So I can cut tree branches and fit them in the recycling bin or take them to the drop-off depots but there are no drop-off depots in the City? WHAT? I need to take the branches to the landfill for disposal.  
 
It could be the day of heat but I'm lost. Can I cut branches and put them in the recycling bin if the lid closes or do I put them in the garbage bin to be taken to the landfill?  
 
WHAT? At this point I'm thinking I can put whatever I want in either bin but only if the lid closes.  
 
It says this under  
REFUSE Do's & Don'ts:  
"Cart lids must CLOSE completely or else automated trucks cannot pick-up (i.e. cut tree branches to fit or take to drop-off depots).  
 
?  
 
 
 
Edited by Hackeda, 2012-07-11 17:59:34

zep

7/11/2012 7:54:16 PM
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You should have thrown

it along 18th St..on the Keystone Centre side..there's so much garbage from Park to Richmond no-one would have noticed.

MR MALUGA

7/11/2012 8:33:24 PM
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Apr 2009
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wow!!!

take a look at cornell bay!!!! the back alley is unreal!! beds, furniture, boxes tvs. it is gross!!! no fines there for some reason. City of brandon go do your job and hand out fines over there too it is so 3rd world in that back ane just because garbage is littered everywhere. That crap has been there for 2 months. sorry Bob that sucks.

Dave Barnesky

7/11/2012 10:04:16 PM
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Jan 2007
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lol

  
The_What? said "Let me get this right . . you broke a by-law and it is the City's fault for enforcing it?  
 
You can recycle plastic at the centre by the movie theatre FYI.  
 
Also oversized items are picked up for $5, which is also cheaper than the fine.  
 
It's your fault, deal with it. Nobody to blame but yourself. "

Let me get this right.. the city turns the garbage program into the bureaucratic equivalent of a rube goldberg device and you think we should be stealing hundreds of dollars from seniors because they made an honest mistake?  
 
Wow - He is not at fault, the city is, nobody in their right mind is going to sit around at home reading bylaw texts, if the city can't make it easy for citizens to use its services, it shouldn't be threatening citizens because of it.  
 
Give your head a shake  

KC Sunshine

7/11/2012 10:24:00 PM
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Wow!!

Sure glad I live in the country.

Doug

7/11/2012 10:29:25 PM
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My

Sorry Robert about that. If you need a few bucks as help pm. I can spare 5 or 10.  
 
 
My daughter lives in a apartment in a area than is not bin friendly. It seems that three apartments of the ten or 12 there share two bins. Also the people across the lane feel free to shoe horn their stuff into the bins.  
 
I am waiting to hear from her about any fine thrown in her direction. City hall will not I repeat not like me.  
 
Years ago I was warned about putting stiff that can not be recycled in my bin. That was the days when my bin was open season. A unfenced back yard and people can threw whatever they want into it. A official warning. Knowing this city it probably cam on new paper not recycled. Anyway. If it was your own bin I would fight it. They can not prove squat. If it was at a recycle centre then it is a expensive mistake.  
 
Next time do what this dufus would do when he is not sure. Throw it in the garbage. Not the smartest thing but at this time in my life I can not afford a fine.  
 
Better to be "stupid" and not sure about what we can recycle in this town than 100.00 lighter in the coin purse.  
 
Ps to this day I do not know what recycle rule I broke. It may have been Styrofoam. I will say this if I evwr get a fine or a letter I will demand 2 things. A lock for it and those guys picking up the bins will need a key. I no way shape or form to I want to hire a guard for my recycle bin.  
 
 
In fact if warned again or nailed again I may just deliver a cleaned bin to city hall and say thanks but no thanks. I can not afford the chance at a fine. My mini protest. I do not watch the bin like a hawk when I put it out yet I am liable for a fine. Go figure! Then when many families share??  
 
As far as Roberts issue Again I assume it is at a community unit. A warning was all that was needed. The fine was overkill.  
 

Trevor B

7/11/2012 10:31:05 PM
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Apr 2005
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The By-law officers

aren't doing enough to enforce the sanitation by-laws. When I was with Sanitation for a few months in the fall/winter of 2008, we couldn't get by-law to do anything about contaminated recycling bins. We gave out notices for contaminated recycling bins, but they basically meaned nothing.  
 
 
This is the sanitation by-law. It doesn't look to be the most recent one that was passed a few weeks ago.  
http://www.brandon.ca/images/pdf/bylaws/6965.pdf

Addicted to Pam

7/11/2012 10:42:23 PM
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Out of curiosity why does the picture you've attached say "PARKING TICKET SUMMONS OFFENCE NOTICE" and "RECEIVED IN PAYMENT OF PARKING VIOLATION:"  
 
Or is the City of Brandon just too cheap to get proper receipt books?

cmore

7/11/2012 11:02:15 PM
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Apr 2008
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hidden cameras

I was wondering are there signs or anything stating that there are cameras posted at the recycling depots? Don't they have to post a sign stating that the camera(s) are posted?

Mr.Slurpee

7/11/2012 11:37:50 PM
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May 2011
Total posts:94
I am confused...

Did you put a blind in the blue lid recycling bins we were given or did you go to a recycle center and put it in the wrong bin there? If it is the blue recycle bin how do they know it was you who put it in there. I have two guys that go up and down the back lanes who go threw the bins collecting stuff and they use other peoples bins for sorting the stuff. The bins are located in a public place during pick up day. Do they expect you to police your bin until the truck comes and picks it up and you bring it back in your yard. This new system has been a waste and bother since its inception. This new system is probably costing the city a fortune compared to the old system..... Thank Mr. Rozier for that one.

Simonwalcal

7/12/2012 4:25:48 AM
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Mar 2012
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. . . .

I live in the downtown core (or the fringe anyway) and I can see some of the reasoning for the citys actions. I'm in an apartment house that's served by 1 pair, and though I'm not responsible for them on PAPER, I take care of them. Stuff like making sure everything is where it should be, not in bags, no clouthing/trashbags/tissue/styrofoam. Since there located on the east side of the house facing the lane, they do tend to be used by everyone, but that's fine if they do it properly.  
 
But when I walk down the lane and I see OTHER bins, I sometimes wonder if my work is for nothing. And not just due to carelessness, but one must also consider launguage barriers (look at all the imigration. Do they know how the systems work?).  
I agree with fines, if its people intentionally contaminating recyclables. But for mistakes? No. I've been one to put the odd thing in the blue side that I'm unsure what to do with (batteries in plastic jars - I don't drive so its that or the black bin, shreaded paper in plastic bag, #3 plastics), should I be fined? At least I'm TRYING to do my part.  
 
As for robert, though I do feel for you, it seems that falls more under littering. One thing to question is wether that would get u a fine if u dumped it in your blue bin or at the capital.  
 
As for the "cleaness" of the backlanes, I agree with getting rid of the old TVs/appliences/furnature, but the bins, though workable in SOME cases, not so much in others. For example, my area is lined with apartment houses with shared bins. So you run into the "who's in charge?" Aspect. Then you have the "where do I put it? On the roof?" Aspect. Then there's the "WHO CARES?!?! Is a backlane in the core!!" Aspect. I mean REALLY, if royalty comes to town, there not gonna tour the allyways of the hub.  
 
This I brought up cause my neibor felt the need to tell me that the city dosent want them "visible" in the lane, so even if the east side is the landlords land, its still "in the lane". I said fine, the landlord can put them right in front of the house or behind your cars parking space.

Addicted to Pam

7/12/2012 7:37:34 AM
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Hey Mr.Slurpee if you read the second paragraph of the original post you shouldn't be confused.  
 
And cmore there are no hidden cameras in the trees, that's just ridiculous.

 
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