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Healthy Hugs

1/11/2013 9:30:12 PM
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Death Threats - Serious

It was great to hear how the Brandon Police Service treated a death threat on Facebook as serious enough to make an arrest.  
 
It comforts me to know that they are now acting on death threats not like in the past couple years where a female provided a written statement of having her life threatened by a former spouse "Going to Kill You......" all the while she had a Protection Order against the person who uttered the threats. The detachment was even provided a written statement by a witness of that same incident (Death Treats)and that incident file just got closed. No action taken on that incident - and to make it even more amazing - the person who threatened to kill his wife also admitted to physically hitting and abusing his wife during the years of their marriage - but that man still to this day has never been charged, not even a slap on the hand or a recommendation for rehabilitation such as Anger Management. I am quite confident that those familiar with that incident or circumstances are still shaking their heads in awe over the lack of action or response to the threats in those circumstances.  
 
With the recent incidents - shootings in the US - I am glad that Brandon Police Service choose to provide media coverage of how they handled a Facebook death threat - but too bad not all citizens who have their life threatened get the same respect by some of those in position of authority such as BPS.  
 
Now I realize how the % rate of women who are murdered by their spouses, former partners are so high, I have learned that sometimes it takes a dead body or bodies before some people in authority will act and protect those who have had their life threatened. For a person to simply close a file which includes death threats is just not what I could say as acceptable!  
 
(Without Prejudice)

 
 
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Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 9:50:19 AM
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Right or Wrong

Truly amazing how as I look on this site this am that there have been 1084 people read the post re Death Threats - Serious - and not a person as of at the time of writing this post had the courage to type of comment - We can only hope and trust that God will protect those people whose files are closed as it seems not all people in authority place a high importance on all Death Threats!  
 
Some people are of the understanding or choose to view death threats as words spoken out of bitterness, anger towards another human being - but really for a person to threaten another human beings life - is it a criminal offense or is it just outrage of anger.  
 
This site is for discussions - and my question to you as a reader would be - should all death threats be addressed for what they are or are there different rules in the criminal code for how these should be handled! (Some charges laid and others file closed)

Spaghetti Monster

1/12/2013 10:17:43 AM
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Yes....

.....of course all death threats should be addressed for what they are. Of course they are not to all be treated as genuine. The fact of the matter is "I will kill you!" is often uttered in the heat of the moment in anger just as it is often uttered as a joke.  
 
I think a degree of common sence needs to be applied to individual instances in order to decide appropriate action.  
 
What we cannot do is make the mistake of deciding that any utterance of the words " I will kill you" is to be treated as a genuine threat.  
 
Edited by Spaghetti Monster, 2013-01-12 10:21:33

Hackeda

1/12/2013 10:25:38 AM
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Rosiegirl

What reasoning was given as to why the file was closed with no action taken? Over the years I have been witness to some very odd decisions made by law enforcement and our judicial system. I understand your frustration!

braid

1/12/2013 10:38:46 AM
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does

Does she have a voice mail with the threats? Maybe that would help? You would think it would be hard for them to ignore that.

Oryx

1/12/2013 11:14:02 AM
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Should

all death threats be treated seriously? Of course they should be looked into but could you imagine if police charged everyone and anyone who made "threats"?  
 
No criminal offence is committed if a threat is innocently made. The offence is not meant to criminalize idle threats or words blurted out only in anger, desperation, bitterness or frustration. Words said in jest or in a manner that they could not be taken seriously do not constitute a threat.  
 
Also, there is a lot the crown has to prove and in alot of instances I would assume that if there is insufficient evidence to support a case, it won't even make it to court! There are many defences available to a charge involving Uttering Death or Uttering Bodily Harm. These defences often focus on the identity of the person who is alleged to have made the threat, the seriousness of the threat, and the context in which it was made.

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 1:37:59 PM
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Degree of Common Sense

  
Spaghetti Monster said ".....of course all death threats should be addressed for what they are. Of course they are not to all be treated as genuine. The fact of the matter is "I will kill you!" is often uttered in the heat of the moment in anger just as it is often uttered as a joke.  
 
I think a degree of common sence needs to be applied to individual instances in order to decide appropriate action.  
 
What we cannot do is make the mistake of deciding that any utterance of the words " I will kill you" is to be treated as a genuine threat.  
 
Edited by Spaghetti Monster, 2013-01-12 10:21:33"

To determine appropriate action - interesting you should comment that - or how you write - "make the mistake of deciding that any utterance of the words " I will kill you" is to be treated as a genuine threat. "  
 
If the female is no longer living with the man as she has left a lengthy marriage after the disclosure of physical abuse, over the years - (broken bones) and that same female was given access to the Women's Shelter for an option of living accommodations and also was given the information to contact crime victim services (both with BPS and the office at the Provincial Court House) and that the female provided and included that information when giving the death threat statement to BPS officer - then I am not sure nor does it make any sense what so ever that the threats should not be regarded as serious!  
 
The history of the situation (marriage - ending of such) and the reason why the female was not returning to the relationship should have been a pretty clear indicator as to circumstances associated with the reporting of the death threat and also the fact that the female had been provided a Protection Order in the first place. I do not believe that the Justice of Peace would issue a Protection Order - just for the lack of something to do! Thank God I will say for the Justice of Peace - who had the brilliance to understand the situation that was presented to him! I am sure that the female will be forever grateful for the manner for which that Justice at the Brandon Provincial Court House conducted himself in not ignoring the sensitivity of the information or situation. The Protection Order was granted prior to the uttering of death threats by the male and yet the BPS choose to close the file - regardless of being provided two written statements. Each person is entitled to have an opinion on this one - but reality is - is it better to be Proactive or Reactive - Proactive - treat death threats as serious and not close files - or to be reactive and have to spend time on investigations after devastating incidents!

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 1:46:04 PM
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Reason Given

  
Hackeda said "What reasoning was given as to why the file was closed with no action taken? Over the years I have been witness to some very odd decisions made by law enforcement and our judicial system. I understand your frustration! "

As the death treats were made in the presence of a lawyer from a legal firm in Brandon and that lawyer did not report yet the female truly believed that on the basis that the lawyer was fully aware of the Protection Order that was in place and the circumstances of the client - that the lawyer would have reported the treats to the Police - but rather the lawyer did not report or provided the written statement until after the female found the courage to provide the written statement to the BPS officier. So to put it in easier terms - it was noted to have been delayed in reporting - so therefore that was the reason for closure of the file or written statements.  
I find this a little hard to comprehend and so do other people who are familiar with the circumstances and time frame involved, and the sensitivity of the circumstances.  
 
Each day we get to read in the newspaper of some sort of incidents whereby police in their investigations or in some court cases - i.e. that dear child that died - oops filed closed - amazing how the reaction of the girl's death is resulting in an investigation - My question is - Why files closed?? Oops closed file - but no investigation can bring that little girl back to life!!

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 1:53:34 PM
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Voice Mail - Threats

  
braid said "Does she have a voice mail with the threats? Maybe that would help? You would think it would be hard for them to ignore that. "

I do not totally understand how a written statement from a lawyer as a witness provided to BPS and the mere fact that the female left the man for his abuse during the marriage and that the abuse by the male was admitted to prior to the Protection Order being sought or granted. Why would the female have been referred to the Women's Shelter or Crime Victim Services if there was not a need.  
Ignoring details you say - not as though that same officer for which the written statement which the female provided was also not informed of calls to 911 when she lived in a former area of the province.  
 
Proactive - address the facts, Reactive - investigate after women are murdered!

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 2:00:01 PM
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Threats Innocently Made!!

  
Oryx said "all death threats be treated seriously? Of course they should be looked into but could you imagine if police charged everyone and anyone who made "threats"?  
 
No criminal offence is committed if a threat is innocently made. The offence is not meant to criminalize idle threats or words blurted out only in anger, desperation, bitterness or frustration. Words said in jest or in a manner that they could not be taken seriously do not constitute a threat.  
 
Also, there is a lot the crown has to prove and in alot of instances I would assume that if there is insufficient evidence to support a case, it won't even make it to court! There are many defences available to a charge involving Uttering Death or Uttering Bodily Harm. These defences often focus on the identity of the person who is alleged to have made the threat, the seriousness of the threat, and the context in which it was made. "

I am not sure that for a person (the female) to have sought a Protection Order to protect herself in the ending of a marriage which included physical abuse during the lengthy marriage - that a man who chooses to speak death threats against his former spouse in the presence of other professionals is acceptable.  
 
I do realize that for those of you who are truly blessed to have respectable men in your lives who honor and cherish their spouse - then this will be difficult for you to comprehend. When a man physically abuses his partner - I can honestly say it becomes almost impossible for a female to respect and honor the man.

Doug

1/12/2013 2:01:53 PM
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open files

threats happen everyday. In my day every school in Brandon would hardly ever be open if "bomb threats" were met with instant closure.  
 
In this case it sounds s if the ball was dropped and in the end this clown was charged. File closure needs to happen though. The person and or boss who closes that file should show responsibility though. Too many files get closed without the i's dotted or the t's crossed.  
 
In the case of a life when lost,someone should answer for that. If no one is there with a answer or takes responsibility a complete house cleaning of people and or systems should happen ASAP.

braid

1/12/2013 2:24:23 PM
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totally

  
RosieGirl said "
  
braid said "Does she have a voice mail with the threats? Maybe that would help? You would think it would be hard for them to ignore that. "

I do not totally understand how a written statement from a lawyer as a witness provided to BPS and the mere fact that the female left the man for his abuse during the marriage and that the abuse by the male was admitted to prior to the Protection Order being sought or granted. Why would the female have been referred to the Women's Shelter or Crime Victim Services if there was not a need.  
Ignoring details you say - not as though that same officer for which the written statement which the female provided was also not informed of calls to 911 when she lived in a former area of the province.  
 
Proactive - address the facts, Reactive - investigate after women are murdered! "

I totally get where you're coming from...  
You'll notice the bit about the lawyer was posted after my post. I truly cannot understand why they would close this? Doesn't make sence to me either.

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 2:31:41 PM
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Crimminal Code???? Justice of Manitoba

Is it a criminal offense to utter death threats or not?  
Is it the victim that is to determine if charges are to be laid or is it law that police are to lay charges?  
(Interesting read Book entitled - Family Law in Manitoba 2008 - (produced with the financial assistance of the Department of Justice Canada) Section Family Violence - Page 69 - excert - "The police, not the victim, are responsible for laying charges after an offense has been reported."  
 
What does the poster seek you ask - that death threats be taken with sincerity until proven otherwise - Proactive rather than being left to be Reactive. For a member of the Police force to choose to close the reporting is not okay - why is it - like I have responded in a prior response - why is it that we have to have investigations dating back to information which was at hand earlier in our court systems or news coverages. Ooops maybe file should have not been closed!  
 
For a man to threaten a female in the presence of professionals such as lawyers and for that same man to admit to abuse in a court of law (not a Trial regarding persecution of abuse - rather re-in-statement of Protection Order, or issuance of Prevention Order, family property and spousal support) and whereby the Judge chooses to minimize the circumstances of the abuse - as noted at the Trial - no charges have been laid with respect to the death threats - well is that honourable?  
 
As the circumstances proceed towards the issuance of a Divorce (after almost 4 years of when the female left the marriage for her safety) and also the advancement of an appeal of the Judges judgement with respect to the issues presented during the Trial - well can you honestly say or assume that the female does not have reason to be concerned for her safety?  
 
Not revenge - but rather the dignity of not having death threats minimized to the degree of closing files - Oh and might I add what does that demonstrate for any children of that marriage - Physical abuse, abuse of any sort is known to re-occur through generations - so do you suppose any mother wants what her children witnessed (physical abuse towards female) to believe that it is acceptable or that you can threaten a person's life in the presence of people like lawyers and the Police have written statements and simply close the file.  
 
I welcome personal messages if you have experienced any circumstances whereby death threats have been made towards you and the file has been closed - whereby you were left wondering if and when the person who made the threat may loose his cool and act on the threat - oops - now there is what I have noted as the Reactive process (investigation stage)- and not as though the stats do not provide information for people to read. Stats are great but personally I put a far greater value on human life - the living!!  
 

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 2:39:57 PM
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Death Threats - Serious

Are you one of the people who has read and just were in awe, or how about those of you who have read and thought what a fruit cake this poster is - Well not a fruit cake - but rather have been given some incredible God given strength and courage to speak up - may not make a difference in my situation - but maybe can make a difference for another individual - and that I call Proactive.  
 
Still amazes me on the very few posts by members on this discussion topic - but hey now there are over 2000 who have viewed - or at the very least accessed the initial post. Kudos to you for valuing life beyond political processes or the lack there of!!  
 

Oryx

1/12/2013 3:06:39 PM
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YOu

  
RosieGirl said "
  
Hackeda said "What reasoning was given as to why the file was closed with no action taken? Over the years I have been witness to some very odd decisions made by law enforcement and our judicial system. I understand your frustration! "

As the death treats were made in the presence of a lawyer from a legal firm in Brandon and that lawyer did not report yet the female truly believed that on the basis that the lawyer was fully aware of the Protection Order that was in place and the circumstances of the client - that the lawyer would have reported the treats to the Police - but rather the lawyer did not report or provided the written statement until after the female found the courage to provide the written statement to the BPS officier. So to put it in easier terms - it was noted to have been delayed in reporting - so therefore that was the reason for closure of the file or written statements.  
I find this a little hard to comprehend and so do other people who are familiar with the circumstances and time frame involved, and the sensitivity of the circumstances.  
 
Each day we get to read in the newspaper of some sort of incidents whereby police in their investigations or in some court cases - i.e. that dear child that died - oops filed closed - amazing how the reaction of the girl's death is resulting in an investigation - My question is - Why files closed?? Oops closed file - but no investigation can bring that little girl back to life!! "

made a good point, that the lawyer did not report the death threat. Was it expected that he/she SHOULD have reported it? Nobody is required to report anything or provide any type of statement to police if they do not want to. The complainant, the woman in this matter would have to report it herself and then ask if the lawyer (who was the alleged witness to this) if they would provide a statement on their behalf. The victim HAS to report this to police, a witness is not required to report anything if they don't want!  
You're saying the lawyer should have reported this before the victim or they didn't report at all?  
 
You seem to be missing that point, or perhaps I am reading your post incorrectly?  
 

Oryx

1/12/2013 3:11:13 PM
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And

  
RosieGirl said "Are you one of the people who has read and just were in awe, or how about those of you who have read and thought what a fruit cake this poster is - Well not a fruit cake - but rather have been given some incredible God given strength and courage to speak up - may not make a difference in my situation - but maybe can make a difference for another individual - and that I call Proactive.  
 
Still amazes me on the very few posts by members on this discussion topic - but hey now there are over 2000 who have viewed - or at the very least accessed the initial post. Kudos to you for valuing life beyond political processes or the lack there of!!  
 
"

you lost me. Why are you even posting this on eBrandon? You are just ranting.  
 
ps) protection order are granted each and every day in Brandon.

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 3:21:03 PM
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Not Witness??

The female was under the understanding that just as in a school system - when their are threats made these need to be reported so as the female had worked on a parent council for a number of years the female thought that lawyer would follow the same protocol as school administrators, or school professional staff.  
 
Yes the female did provide written statement and yes the lawyer eventually did provide written statement - but file was closed?? Not sure how that fits into the book I have referenced in another post on this discussion.

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 3:27:41 PM
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Awareness vs Ranting

Sometimes in life people have an understanding of integrity in a system or professionals but in the information which has been shared it definitely appears that the BPS makes choices with respect to the utterance of death threats in varying scales or importance.  
 
When Mr. Burgess (media contact)- aired on CTV late news on Monday, January 7, 2013 it definitely hit home for the female - as they definitely did not respect the significance of death threats which were made against her.  
 
On the basis of the information typed in this discussion do you really feel that the threats that were uttered toward the female should have simply resulted in the closing of the file???

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 3:29:10 PM
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Read Awareness vs Ranting

  
Oryx said "
  
RosieGirl said "Are you one of the people who has read and just were in awe, or how about those of you who have read and thought what a fruit cake this poster is - Well not a fruit cake - but rather have been given some incredible God given strength and courage to speak up - may not make a difference in my situation - but maybe can make a difference for another individual - and that I call Proactive.  
 
Still amazes me on the very few posts by members on this discussion topic - but hey now there are over 2000 who have viewed - or at the very least accessed the initial post. Kudos to you for valuing life beyond political processes or the lack there of!!  
 
"

you lost me. Why are you even posting this on eBrandon? You are just ranting.  
 
ps) protection order are granted each and every day in Brandon. "

Please read previous post - forgot to hit the quote feature.  
 
Edited by RosieGirl, 2013-01-12 15:49:27

Oryx

1/12/2013 3:40:14 PM
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Okay

so all of us reading this, do not even know the full story. So unless you care to share all the details of this particular "file" then I'm afraid you will gain no sympathy or have anyone take your side because none of us know the exact circumstances of this matter.  
 
That said there are certain requirements that must be met (as per the criminal code) in order to charge someone. Further to that, if this case went to court, the lawyers would have had a plea bargain entered and the charge may have been stayed. The likelihood of conviction on a simple "utter threats" charges is no guarantee.  
 
A protection order was the right thing, by the sounds of it, for this woman to seek. It also appears she did everything else right. If you are hoping this man would have spend some time in jail, think again, that rarely happens (unfortunately) in a lot of domestic violence situations!!

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 4:01:09 PM
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Sympathy?? - Not

  
Oryx said "so all of us reading this, do not even know the full story. So unless you care to share all the details of this particular "file" then I'm afraid you will gain no sympathy or have anyone take your side because none of us know the exact circumstances of this matter.  
 
That said there are certain requirements that must be met (as per the criminal code) in order to charge someone. Further to that, if this case went to court, the lawyers would have had a plea bargain entered and the charge may have been stayed. The likelihood of conviction on a simple "utter threats" charges is no guarantee.  
 
A protection order was the right thing, by the sounds of it, for this woman to seek. It also appears she did everything else right. If you are hoping this man would have spend some time in jail, think again, that rarely happens (unfortunately) in a lot of domestic violence situations!! "

The female does not seek sympathy - In summary - The spokesperson for the BPS was on air and referred to as having said that the BPS in the City of Brandon treat death threats as serious - but as the female heard this and was familiar with her situation of how the death threats against her were handled - then she felt amazed to think that the BPS would portray such an image of themselves or the city. When in reality not all death threats are taken seriously.  
 
The female realizes the significance in promoting it 's force and the City of Brandon - especially after the excessive number of deaths in the U.S. and also the young women who committed suicide after being bullied on the internet.  
 
So whether threats are on a computer or in person - they should all the treated with respect in my opinion.  
 
Life is precious - It is not as though people can just click it on and off like their computers - so threats are significant.  
 
You may have a different opinion for which you are entitled - but if you have similar experience then I do believe you should to speak up, post on this forum and create a greater awareness to protect all people!!

Khakz

1/12/2013 4:50:05 PM
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Changed username...

Rosie, I remember the past discussion thread you created, however you had a different username. I put two and two together as you had issues with "broken bones" and "lawyers siding with an abusive husband" and all "without predjudice"...In the end, anyone with any sense of reality determined that you were moreless a nut....you were looking for attention and blamed everyone but yourself for your problems. You wanted your husband to pay you more money because he has a good job and you were unemployed or something because you didn't feel like working. You were looking for a lawyer because the courts were against you and apparently all of Brandon's lawyers were against you....Oh I remember this topic real well from before.  
 
My original opinion of "you likely encouraged it" and "you needed someone to knock some sense into you" still stands.  
 
Its been several years since the break up, Grow up and get over it.

Healthy Hugs

1/12/2013 5:16:55 PM
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Death Threats - Serious

  
Khakipants said "Rosie, I remember the past discussion thread you created, however you had a different username. I put two and two together as you had issues with "broken bones" and "lawyers siding with an abusive husband" and all "without predjudice"...In the end, anyone with any sense of reality determined that you were moreless a nut....you were looking for attention and blamed everyone but yourself for your problems. You wanted your husband to pay you more money because he has a good job and you were unemployed or something because you didn't feel like working. You were looking for a lawyer because the courts were against you and apparently all of Brandon's lawyers were against you....Oh I remember this topic real well from before.  
 
My original opinion of "you likely encouraged it" and "you needed someone to knock some sense into you" still stands.  
 
Its been several years since the break up, Grow up and get over it. "

Khakipants - Thanks for your insight - I am sure the female in this circumstance does not feel hard done by - maybe that is your opinion - not a many people choose to speak up in life - but I am choosing to do so in anticipation that it may make the difference for another person - maybe not today but at the time most appropriate in their lifetime.  
 
I do feel that professionals are elected or employed in positions of trust and to protect all citizens - therefore I just really had a hard time listening or reading how death threats are handled by BPS.  
 
Re your comments as quoted above "you likely encouraged it" - and "you needed someone to knock some sense into you still stands" -  
There is no person in life that is responsible for another human beings violent acts - rather the person who threatens, assaults another human being is responsible or should be held accountable for their actions. Death threats and physical abuse are criminal offenses - and however you choose to direct the blame or accusations the person who acted in such a way can take ownership of his actions or consequences.  
 
Your other comment - "Grow up and get over it" really demonstrates to me that you are not fully aware that the female is an adult woman with adult children - as indicated in this discussion and I would almost bet she has a whole lot more life experiences than you do Khakipants.  
 

Khakz

1/12/2013 5:24:51 PM
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wow

Reading this, especially when you are talking in "third person" mode, really makes me want to drink...a lot...  
 
Time to watch a great Jack Nicholson classic....

Oryx

1/12/2013 5:49:34 PM
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This

  
RosieGirl said "
  
Khakipants said "Rosie, I remember the past discussion thread you created, however you had a different username. I put two and two together as you had issues with "broken bones" and "lawyers siding with an abusive husband" and all "without predjudice"...In the end, anyone with any sense of reality determined that you were moreless a nut....you were looking for attention and blamed everyone but yourself for your problems. You wanted your husband to pay you more money because he has a good job and you were unemployed or something because you didn't feel like working. You were looking for a lawyer because the courts were against you and apparently all of Brandon's lawyers were against you....Oh I remember this topic real well from before.  
 
My original opinion of "you likely encouraged it" and "you needed someone to knock some sense into you" still stands.  
 
Its been several years since the break up, Grow up and get over it. "

Khakipants - Thanks for your insight - I am sure the female in this circumstance does not feel hard done by - maybe that is your opinion - not a many people choose to speak up in life - but I am choosing to do so in anticipation that it may make the difference for another person - maybe not today but at the time most appropriate in their lifetime.  
 
I do feel that professionals are elected or employed in positions of trust and to protect all citizens - therefore I just really had a hard time listening or reading how death threats are handled by BPS.  
 
Re your comments as quoted above "you likely encouraged it" - and "you needed someone to knock some sense into you still stands" -  
There is no person in life that is responsible for another human beings violent acts - rather the person who threatens, assaults another human being is responsible or should be held accountable for their actions. Death threats and physical abuse are criminal offenses - and however you choose to direct the blame or accusations the person who acted in such a way can take ownership of his actions or consequences.  
 
Your other comment - "Grow up and get over it" really demonstrates to me that you are not fully aware that the female is an adult woman with adult children - as indicated in this discussion and I would almost bet she has a whole lot more life experiences than you do Khakipants.  
 
"

isn't the place you need to be complaining. If you have concern that the BPS didn't handle your file or your complaint (yes, I'm sure it's you that you keep talking about) properly, you should take it up with them or make a complaint to the law enforcement review agency. Threats of death I'm sure are taken very seriously, then again, it depends on how reliable, credible and sound the person complaining is and I'm sure the police don't just take things at face value. I'm sure there was good reason that your complaint wasn't taken any further or charges were not laid against this man you speak of.

fefman

1/12/2013 5:58:59 PM
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Nah

I had a big long reply to the OP, but I've deleted it.  
 
I wish you well, and hope you are able to get over this someday.

That Person

1/13/2013 1:40:59 AM
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Khakipants said "Rosie, I remember the past discussion thread you created, however you had a different username. I put two and two together as you had issues with "broken bones" and "lawyers siding with an abusive husband" and all "without predjudice"...In the end, anyone with any sense of reality determined that you were moreless a nut....you were looking for attention and blamed everyone but yourself for your problems. You wanted your husband to pay you more money because he has a good job and you were unemployed or something because you didn't feel like working. You were looking for a lawyer because the courts were against you and apparently all of Brandon's lawyers were against you....Oh I remember this topic real well from before.  
 
My original opinion of "you likely encouraged it" and "you needed someone to knock some sense into you" still stands.  
 
Its been several years since the break up, Grow up and get over it. "

Glad I'm not the only who realized this sounded like the same loon from a couple months ago who spammed the board with like 5 threads that were all basically the same. Judges not caring about spousal ago use, cops ignoring complaints, in court confessions that were ignored etc.  
 
I believe the consensus then, after the ramblings really got out of control, was that "Without Prejudice" needed psychiatric help

Healthy Hugs

1/13/2013 1:58:18 AM
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Re smtowngirl

  
smtowngirl said "
  
Khakipants said "Rosie, I remember the past discussion thread you created, however you had a different username. I put two and two together as you had issues with "broken bones" and "lawyers siding with an abusive husband" and all "without predjudice"...In the end, anyone with any sense of reality determined that you were moreless a nut....you were looking for attention and blamed everyone but yourself for your problems. You wanted your husband to pay you more money because he has a good job and you were unemployed or something because you didn't feel like working. You were looking for a lawyer because the courts were against you and apparently all of Brandon's lawyers were against you....Oh I remember this topic real well from before.  
 
My original opinion of "you likely encouraged it" and "you needed someone to knock some sense into you" still stands.  
 
Its been several years since the break up, Grow up and get over it. "

Glad I'm not the only who realized this sounded like the same loon from a couple months ago who spammed the board with like 5 threads that were all basically the same. Judges not caring about spousal ago use, cops ignoring complaints, in court confessions that were ignored etc.  
 
I believe the consensus then, after the ramblings really got out of control, was that "Without Prejudice" needed psychiatric help "

Smtowngirl - Small town girl - sorry you have such a small town mind - and I honestly hope when and if you have children that none of them get involved with an abusive man or better yet marry that sort of man.  
 
It takes a very small mind for you to call someone a loon  
 
And for someone such as yourself to speak out of circumstances or incidences which can be clarified with documentation if that would help you as ramblings is your opinion and need psychiatric help - have you looked in the mirror lately!! Honestly are you that far out in left field with your thought process to be this narrow minded to resort to referring to psychiatric help rather than recognizing that in society not all people perform their jobs with integrity but rather that there corruption within.  
 
Small town girl - if you have not walked a mile in a persons shoes don't be so quick to resort to putting down a person for speaking up for justice and the truth!!

Budda

1/13/2013 7:54:40 AM
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Hands tied!

See the problem being is not the Police acting on threats, but rather the support or what the courts can do the person issuing the treat. To many times we place the blame on Peace officers not acting, when in reality it is that revolving door of the courts and the rights of the person being stepped on. Its not right but its also not right to point a finger at Peace officers for doing what they can. Trust me I am sure they would like just as much as you and me to put these people in their proper places and protect the victims better. Maybe instead of spending energy on talking about the lack of support from the police department, maybe you should start bending the ear of your local MLA and MP. Let them know that your not happy with the state of affairs and want more rights for the victims. Your right no one deserves to be victim of crime its time for US to have rights not the criminals!

Healthy Hugs

1/15/2013 10:06:21 AM
Member since:
Nov 2012
Total posts:314
Hattrick

  
hattrick said "Just from reading your posts it appears you need some psychological help for your issues. I am not being rude but maybe things could have happened to you in the past and you need a professional help. The police can only do so much. Good luck ! "

The post was in referencing as to whether death threats are serious - the posts explain circumstances which have occurred that certainly has left members of society wondering based on the circumstances posted.  
 
You reference to "psychological help for your issues" or "maybe things happened to you in the past" - I am not sure how this references the actions of those who were clearly provided written documentation with reference to death threats and does not reflect the action taken or the lack there of by those in authority to address the death threats -  
 
Like I have noted in prior postings - I am a firm believer in being Proactive (not ignoring or minimizing death threats by closing files) I do not believe that society is or in knowing of such would support such actions.  
 
We continue to hear of the consequences of file being closed by CFS - that dear little girl died as a result of those taken information seriously. Very Sad.  
 
The shooting in the US - so many lost lives as the result of the lack of attention to details with respect to the killer.  
 
The dear gal who took her own life as a result of bullying.  
 
So is it more important to invest the time with reports or is it easier or are they too busy to investigate and take action to death threats - Criminal offence - or wait is it better to had the investigation team have to be Reactive and realize that an investigation needs to take place to determine why a file was closed?  
 
Hattrick I am not sure how you can take these posts in the context of trying to minimize the actions or how death threats can sometimes get handled rather than turning your energies in trying to assess the capabilities of the poster!!  
 
Have a great day and God Bless You - as I sincerely will pray that in your lifetime you do not ever have your life threatened!! Maybe then - should that happen and you speak up - people could avoid assessing you and rather deal with facts or the truth!!  
 

 
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