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dark man

7/11/2011 8:23:45 PM
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Grand Valley Road

Is it not about time that the sand-bags came down that are blocking access to Grand Valley. April 16th was a long time ago,and the water is WAY down. What if they hauled the sand/gravel to the other end by #1 and filled up the big hole at that end, then people could go both ways.  
 
PS  
Sorry we misssed the parade but we were sand-bagged in!

 
 
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Exhausted

7/11/2011 8:27:41 PM
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no reason to leave these

CLEAN IT UP AND GET 18TH AND GRAND VALLEY ROAD BACK TO NORMAL.  
 
Plus open up Kirkcaldy road as that is ridiculus as well.  
 
Then they can start working on a permanent solution for next year.  
 
These sand bags are garbage and a nice big dump truck could haul them away.

Synyster

7/11/2011 8:35:40 PM
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Sure,

Im sure the many that helped put them up including all the drivers that are needed to haul it all out are concerned about your opinion seeing as most have been working day and night hauling to try and save some of the small towns around us. But just like that wonderful parade some are more concerned about there own well being and could care less about whats going on around them. Im also amusing your an expert and can tell me that the crews are ready to fix the road it self. Please let me know with your professional opinion if the road is dried out enough to be worked on as well. Maybe we should work on the roads for some of these small communities that need there main roads fixed as well. Nah, lets worry about you guys.

Gumby

7/11/2011 8:41:07 PM
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Synyster said "Im sure the many that helped put them up including all the drivers that are needed to haul it all out are concerned about your opinion seeing as most have been working day and night hauling to try and save some of the small towns around us. But just like that wonderful parade some are more concerned about there own well being and could care less about whats going on around them. Im also amusing your an expert and can tell me that the crews are ready to fix the road it self. Please let me know with your professional opinion if the road is dried out enough to be worked on as well. Maybe we should work on the roads for some of these small communities that need there main roads fixed as well. Nah, lets worry about you guys. "

I like how you think!! Get a grip people there are others in this part of the province that need help right now. Who says perimiteritis is only limited to Winnipeg!

voiceofthepeople

7/11/2011 9:55:40 PM
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Jul 2011
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please get the bags down already

All the people that live in that area would really appreciate if the they removed enough sandbags so traffic could get thru. Just move 30 or 40 bags, no big effort there. Water is gone, road is clear. People are driving back and forth on Grand Valley road continually already but are being diverted up to the trans canada then down the gravel roads to get to their houses. Lets get this city moving again already, its starting to get ridiculous. The city was quick and proactive getting the bags up on 1st, 18th etc, job well done, lets have a job well done getting them down quickly as well. Crisis in Brandon is over, open up the road and traffic lanes please.

seemlyone

7/11/2011 10:27:49 PM
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if isn't

a matter if all the people that live in that area want them down. Do you people not realize all this stuff is up for a reason. They have to get people out to make sure that Grand Valley road is still o.k. Just because Grand Valley looks o.k. doesn't mean that the road is good to drive on! There could be issues on it like what happened on 1st st.  
As for the pumps on Kirkcaldy, they could be gone by early August, or late August.

The quiet one

7/11/2011 10:28:43 PM
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Water is gone?!!!!?

Have you had your eyes checked lately the water is still there and right to the ditch from 18th to the research farm. That road would be destroyed in no time as the land surounding it and the road base are still waterlogged. Have patience and it will open when it is ready, and as for kirkaldy the storm drains are still blocked off for this area and they are still pumping water over the dike. Have patience.  
 
 
 
Edited by The quiet one, 2011-07-11 22:31:43

Doug

7/11/2011 11:23:11 PM
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yep

  
DrinkMyMilk said "a matter if all the people that live in that area want them down. Do you people not realize all this stuff is up for a reason. They have to get people out to make sure that Grand Valley road is still o.k. Just because Grand Valley looks o.k. doesn't mean that the road is good to drive on! There could be issues on it like what happened on 1st st.  
As for the pumps on Kirkcaldy, they could be gone by early August, or late August. "

Your right. Did you see the pictures on E Brandon the other day. The Grand valley road as it comes off number one is buckled and needs a redo. I would also bet the rest of the road needs a look see. Even if it looks good the road could be undermined.  
 
All we need is some heavy truck to make that collapse.  
 
Plus I agree with others on this thread. They are still building dikes up North. This is a big arsed province and Provincial crews go where we need them first. We just need to wait.

seemlyone

7/11/2011 11:28:37 PM
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no i never

  
Doug said "
  
DrinkMyMilk said "a matter if all the people that live in that area want them down. Do you people not realize all this stuff is up for a reason. They have to get people out to make sure that Grand Valley road is still o.k. Just because Grand Valley looks o.k. doesn't mean that the road is good to drive on! There could be issues on it like what happened on 1st st.  
As for the pumps on Kirkcaldy, they could be gone by early August, or late August. "

Your right. Did you see the pictures on E Brandon the other day. The Grand valley road as it comes off number one is buckled and needs a redo. I would also bet the rest of the road needs a look see. Even if it looks good the road could be undermined.  
 
All we need is some heavy truck to make that collapse.  
 
Plus I agree with others on this thread. They are still building dikes up North. This is a big arsed province and Provincial crews go where we need them first. We just need to wait. "

saw the pictures of the buckles on Grand Vally road. i just wish people would understand that these dikes are still up, because they need to be, not that the city, is taking their time, taking them down.  
 
 
 
Edited by DrinkMyMilk, 2011-07-11 23:45:28

Arbee61

7/11/2011 11:43:47 PM
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patience everyone

at least 18th st. is open and passable, our roads in the country have been closed since the big melt and are still "NOT PASSABLE", and will probably not be repaired till late fall. Detouring is a big pain in the a$$, but life goes on. Patience is a virtue.

Jimbob

7/12/2011 8:07:05 AM
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Dec 2008
Total posts:437
Stop blaming it on the city

The fact that the sand bags are still up is not due to the city.  
 
It is MIT's and Highways decision as to when those bags are removed. And as other people have suggested, they are busy with the mess the Souris has been creating.

mrj

7/12/2011 8:17:03 AM
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Dec 2010
Total posts:82
RAIN

Let it go down more . All it takes is a 3-4 inch rain upstream and we are way up again . We have seen what that can do. The river is not draining as fast as it could. Best to be patient . And ,yes the road needs to dry up . We must remmember that it was under water for 2 months and was in poor condition to start with.

TJF

7/12/2011 9:02:50 AM
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Might be open this week.

JR

7/12/2011 12:18:48 PM
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Keep Kirkcaldy closed...

I like NOT having the speed demons taking the Kirkcaldy shortcut through my neighbourhood. If and when it does re-open, at the very least, the 3-way stop at Knowlton has got to stay.

daisychain

7/12/2011 1:20:01 PM
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Aug 2007
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I agree with JR

keep the stop signs up, it is the best thing to happen in our neigbourhood. Contact Jeff Fawcett and let him know your thoughts, the more people who do the better. Come September when school is back on, it sure makes it easier to get the kids to and from school. Also I can't believe there is no traffic control from 1st to 18th, that only make people drive faster, and nobody slows down thru the school zone.  

JR

7/12/2011 3:52:37 PM
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Email

  
Martini4me said "keep the stop signs up, it is the best thing to happen in our neigbourhood. Contact Jeff Fawcett and let him know your thoughts, the more people who do the better. Come September when school is back on, it sure makes it easier to get the kids to and from school. Also I can't believe there is no traffic control from 1st to 18th, that only make people drive faster, and nobody slows down thru the school zone.  
"

You can email Jeff Fawcett at:  
j.fawcett@brandon.ca  
 
I also cc'd the mayor's office at:  
mayor@brandon.ca  
 
The more people who request this, the better.  
 
EDIT - sorry for the off-topic nature of this, but it just evolved from the original topic...  
 
Edited by JR, 2011-07-12 15:53:39

Adam

7/12/2011 4:17:05 PM
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Grand Valley Road

I've added several pictures taken this afternoon.  
The road itself is bone dry from 18th all the way to the Trans Canada and there's no water anywhere near threatening it (although still plenty of standing water in the fields). It was a pretty badly beaten up stretch of road even before the flood and to me looks very similar to how I remember it being except for some mess that will have to be swept away. Maybe this will at least be an excuse to give it a badly needed re-surface. I don't know enough about pavement, road construction, etc to know if there is much they'll have to do structurally because of all of the water that was in the area.  
 
Turtle Crossing/Curran Park looks to still be in bad shape with heavy flows still going right over the road that leads into the area.

Hard to tell what kind of work they'll have to do right at the intersection of 18th and Grand Valley once the sandbags are taken away. Will it just be a big mess to clean up, or are there any major pavement issues... the pictures I'd say are inconclusive.  
 
The underpass at the intersection with the Trans Canada is another story though. The area underneath is in awful shape, almost looks like an asteroid landed in the space (pics added). The lane that comes in from/goes out to Trans Canada Eastbound looks like for the most part like they might be able to clean it off and use it except for a few issues with the shoulder right where it joins Grand Valley... again with the disclaimer that I don't know if structurally there might be work they'd have to do because of all of the water that was flowing in the area.

Best news of all is that the river reading at 1st street at the moment is 357.68m... which is only 45 cm away from not technically beind a flood any more (flood stage is 357.23).

Trevor B

7/12/2011 4:24:24 PM
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From

another thread on this same topic, it was mentioned that MIT is contracting out the removal of the sandbags.  
 
It would be nice to have 18th back to normal.

Getty

7/12/2011 5:28:20 PM
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Yes those bags should be removed, and everything should turn back to normal. It is kinda of a pain for those that drive normal speeds and then there are people that are STILL doing 30km/h.. they should sell their cars and WALK instead!  
 
If grand valley road needs to be re-paved, they should do it NOW, and not while there is traffic flow.

unbreakable1

7/12/2011 5:31:17 PM
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open it

  
JR said "I like NOT having the speed demons taking the Kirkcaldy shortcut through my neighbourhood. If and when it does re-open, at the very least, the 3-way stop at Knowlton has got to stay. "

While I agree people shouldn't speed through there, the reality is Kirkcaldy is a major connecting street. One can also argue there should never been any development around there in the first place. Other towns and cities have streets similar to the situation we have with Kirkcaldy (heavy volume of traffic through a 'residential' area) and are doing fine. University Ave West in Minot comes to mind. Or to a certain lesser extent, Woosley Ave in Winnipeg.

Hackeda

7/12/2011 5:49:23 PM
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We need to move

  
unbreakable1 said "
  
JR said "I like NOT having the speed demons taking the Kirkcaldy shortcut through my neighbourhood. If and when it does re-open, at the very least, the 3-way stop at Knowlton has got to stay. "

While I agree people shouldn't speed through there, the reality is Kirkcaldy is a major connecting street. One can also argue there should never been any development around there in the first place. Other towns and cities have streets similar to the situation we have with Kirkcaldy (heavy volume of traffic through a 'residential' area) and are doing fine. University Ave West in Minot comes to mind. Or to a certain lesser extent, Woosley Ave in Winnipeg. "

We need traffic to move (which doesn't mean speed so no need to get on that soapbox) through this area. Stop signs STOP traffic. The last thing this city needs is more traffic at a standstill.  
 
This is precisely why when I hear Brandon and progressive in the same breath, I choke. Progressive and standstill aren't the same thing.  
 
I'll reiterate - we need more thoroughfares from 1st to 18th Street North! Why should we endure another three-way stop because someone decided the Corral Centre had to built where it now sits KNOWING Kirkaldy Drive would be the main residential artery to get there?  
 
Council and Mayor need to address this. The residents on Kirkaldy complain about speed/volume of traffic. I just want to GET to where I need to go on a daily basis without coming to a complete stop every three blocks.  
 
Moving traffic is progressive.  
 
Or...let's just build some more unnecessary bigbox stores with no roads to get there.  
 
Edit: Oops, just realized this thread was about Grand Valley Road, not Kirkaldy. (Sorry OP & I agree...let's open what we can and get moving).  
 
 
 
 
 
Edited by Hackeda, 2011-07-12 17:51:31

Trevor B

7/12/2011 9:22:57 PM
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They

can take the sandbags down and still close Grand Valley road until it's safe to open.

voiceofthepeople

7/12/2011 10:51:22 PM
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lots of heavy vehicles on grand valley road already

Just a FYI regarding traffic along grand valley road. As someone who lives in the area, I see heavy trucks going up and down the road all the time, plus going up and down the gravel roads coming off the trans canada to access the houses along grand valley road. Horse Trailers, cattle trailers, RVs, sewer trucks, 5 ton gravel trucks, 1 ton contractor trucks with trailers hauling equip. There is alot of people that live along that road as well as up and down the gravel roads. Alot more than most people realize. They need services, have businesses to run etc. No other way to get access the few gravel roads but to travel on grand valley to the nearest one. There isnt any traffic on the last mile going to 18th because there isnt any one living along there, but plenty on the rest of grand valley.

JackAzz

7/13/2011 1:43:28 AM
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Ya Right

  
JR said "I like NOT having the speed demons taking the Kirkcaldy shortcut through my neighbourhood. If and when it does re-open, at the very least, the 3-way stop at Knowlton has got to stay. "

Like Kirkaldy is just a short-cut through your neighborhood! Its one of the only ways to get from 1st to 18th and back. If you didnt realize that when you bought in that neihborhood, thats your own lack of foresight.  
 
I would agree with the 3-way stop, but to leave it closed just so your neighborhood is quieter is just selfish.

ICYMI

7/13/2011 6:52:08 AM
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..

  
JR said "
  
Martini4me said "keep the stop signs up, it is the best thing to happen in our neigbourhood. Contact Jeff Fawcett and let him know your thoughts, the more people who do the better. Come September when school is back on, it sure makes it easier to get the kids to and from school. Also I can't believe there is no traffic control from 1st to 18th, that only make people drive faster, and nobody slows down thru the school zone.  
"

You can email Jeff Fawcett at:  
j.fawcett@brandon.ca  
 
I also cc'd the mayor's office at:  
mayor@brandon.ca  
 
The more people who request this, the better.  
 
EDIT - sorry for the off-topic nature of this, but it just evolved from the original topic...  
 
Edited by JR, 2011-07-12 15:53:39"

Jeff (and yourselves) may also be interested to know that studies have shown people accelerate faster to a traffic control device, and then from it. The 3 Way would actually be more dangerous at the intersection, than leaving it as is.  
 
Plus as mentioned few pedestrians travel North South at the intersection.  
 
AND there is no need for the sandbags to be up in Brandon anymore. It's be nice if the City could put some pressure on the Province to get them down, or heaven forbid do it themselves and bill later.

JohnnyCanuck

7/13/2011 8:05:00 AM
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I live in Brandon

  
Gumby said "
  
Synyster said "Im sure the many that helped put them up including all the drivers that are needed to haul it all out are concerned about your opinion seeing as most have been working day and night hauling to try and save some of the small towns around us. But just like that wonderful parade some are more concerned about there own well being and could care less about whats going on around them. Im also amusing your an expert and can tell me that the crews are ready to fix the road it self. Please let me know with your professional opinion if the road is dried out enough to be worked on as well. Maybe we should work on the roads for some of these small communities that need there main roads fixed as well. Nah, lets worry about you guys. "

I like how you think!! Get a grip people there are others in this part of the province that need help right now. Who says perimiteritis is only limited to Winnipeg! "

I don't pay municipal taxes in any of the other communities around Westman. I pay taxes in Brandon, where I live. My concern during the flooding was MY community, Brandon, and that is still where MY concern is. So yeah, lets worry about us guys.

Doug

7/15/2011 12:51:42 AM
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guess what

MrRight. Guess what-- you may not pay municipal taxes anywhere else but its Provincial workers that need to do most the grunt work. You only pay a portion of those dollars and sorry to say we are not on the top of the list!

2.1

7/15/2011 6:33:25 AM
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GV Road

  
Trevor B said "can take the sandbags down and still close Grand Valley road until it's safe to open. "

Sure, open up GV Road if it's safe to travel: but how much did it cost to put all those sandbags up, how much to take them all down, how much to put them all back up next spring?  
 
Maybe until they have a more permanent solution to the issue of flooding we could think about saving some money along the way.

2.1

7/15/2011 7:42:52 AM
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Sure

I agree with your assessment, but next spring they could wrap the whole kit and caboodle with heavy mil plastic and shore up the flood side of the sand dike with a fresh batch before the water gets there.  
 
This would also avoid another few rounds of disruption.  
 
Got any better ideas?  
 
Personally, I would start building a removeable steel fence dike for the most critical areas and use sand bags or water snake dikes for the extra; then start dredging out that whole are of open bottom land and create a nice deep man made lake all along the south side of GV road.

loeog

7/15/2011 8:00:48 AM
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Do you have a reference for the three ways

  
The_What? said "
  
JR said "
  
Martini4me said "keep the stop signs up, it is the best thing to happen in our neigbourhood. Contact Jeff Fawcett and let him know your thoughts, the more people who do the better. Come September when school is back on, it sure makes it easier to get the kids to and from school. Also I can't believe there is no traffic control from 1st to 18th, that only make people drive faster, and nobody slows down thru the school zone.  
"

You can email Jeff Fawcett at:  
j.fawcett@brandon.ca  
 
I also cc'd the mayor's office at:  
mayor@brandon.ca  
 
The more people who request this, the better.  
 
EDIT - sorry for the off-topic nature of this, but it just evolved from the original topic...  
 
Edited by JR, 2011-07-12 15:53:39"

Jeff (and yourselves) may also be interested to know that studies have shown people accelerate faster to a traffic control device, and then from it. The 3 Way would actually be more dangerous at the intersection, than leaving it as is.  
 
Plus as mentioned few pedestrians travel North South at the intersection.  
 
AND there is no need for the sandbags to be up in Brandon anymore. It's be nice if the City could put some pressure on the Province to get them down, or heaven forbid do it themselves and bill later. "

WHAT, I am interested in reading the facts about three way stops. I need to read the facts on the increased danger they place on the area before I can believe your post. Thanks

 
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