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Rue

12/23/2016 10:27:48 PM
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Do we humans of the earth really need more nuclear weapons

Have we not learned from our past mistakes ?Do we not have enough nuclear guided missiles to destroy the planet ? ! Is this what we want to leave our children and grandchildren ?! Talk about irresponsible parenting .! Wow have we sure missed the mark on this one .! Instead of spending millions and billions and trillions of dollars on destruction .Why can't we for once get a grip and spend it on our planets perseveration ? !!!!!!! We are smart enough to compromise for once in history for the greater good of everyone!!!!!!! Yours broken hearted and disappointed .Brad

 
 
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just_thinkin

12/23/2016 10:53:10 PM
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Dear Rue...

Dear Rue, we can't fix the situation. Many of us don't even bother to vote. Even fewer of us educate ourselves enough to know why (and for whom) to vote. Folks pick the same party their parents did, because everything else is a lie.  
It kinda sucks.

Matt

12/23/2016 11:01:05 PM
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in a perfect world...

Nuclear weapons exist and will never go away as much as we wish they would. I think updating them is necessary as technology has changed and both main nuclear powers (USA and Russia) have to keep a balance with each other in order that one won't attack the other in the concept of mutually agreed destruction.

LoadedGun

12/24/2016 12:46:13 AM
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Better question

The answer to the op's question should be obvious. But take it to the next step. Beyond the little instantaneous feelings and sensations we get of self gratification from the random acts of kindness in life.  
 
What can we do as individuals to make the world a safer, happier, more positive, conducive to healthy nourishing love inspired growth? How can we enrich the lives of others, thereby enriching our ow personal life stages? And, why do we as individuals feel our efforts are so minuscule? When. At the root of it all, we are the ones who choose to see either the beauty or hardships in life.

Rue

12/24/2016 8:32:47 AM
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Re:do we humans of this earth realy need more nuclear weapons.

I do also believe in random acts of kindness and try to do this every day even when I have a voice that I feel should be made public so as to influence the powers that be to reconsider their ways of thinking and in this way we can all as a collective species of humans maybe if we are brave enough to have our voices heard on this matter we can change the ways of thinking of the two countries involved and get them to dismantle some of these weapons as they did in the past years instead of playing the old game of mine is bigger than yours!

johnnoon

12/24/2016 3:29:13 PM
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If

The Russians are upgrading their arsenal that would be a good thing. Old unreliable technology is not a good thing to have.  
Also the better and more reliable the weapon the fewer that are needed so kind of a mixed blessing.

Marpet

12/24/2016 4:03:18 PM
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Yeah...

  
johnnoon said "The Russians are upgrading their arsenal that would be a good thing. Old unreliable technology is not a good thing to have.  
Also the better and more reliable the weapon the fewer that are needed so kind of a mixed blessing. "

Sure would hate to have old unreliable weapons of mass destruction. Sure would hate to leave any of them alive.  
 
The weapons we have already assure mutual destruction. We certainly don't need more.  
 
Generating fear in the public about being at a disadvantage just ensures that the government can continue to spend billions on unnecessary munitions while lining their own pockets.  
 
But I guess you get what you vote for...  
 
Marpet

standard standard h8r

12/24/2016 4:27:23 PM
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Donald Trump thinks so.

This is what he posted on Twitter:  
 
"The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes"  
 
Foreign policy via Twitter: what a great leap forward. How 60 million people could be so blind or stupid in order to elect this idiot is unfathomable to me.

rum

12/24/2016 7:43:07 PM
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mutually assured destruction

The idea of both countries having nukes is to assure mutual destruction thereby no country could benefit because both would be wiped out.  
so if one country decides to destroy it''s nukes, the other country could benefit as it would not be destroyed in the case that through some unforeseen circumstances it decides to use them.  
 
The same idea is true in keeping the weapons up to date and in the ability to be used. If one country doesn''t keep them up to date, than eventually the idea of mutually assured destruction is no longer valid. Because as technology advances so does the ability to protect against outdated weapons.  
So if through some unforeseen circumstance one country decides that they have the ability to defend against the capability of the the other and thinks they are better off without the other "all bets are off The table"  
 
And that is why it is important to maintain the "mutually assured Destruction" capability until all parties come to their senses.  
 
Edited by rum, 2016-12-24 19:47:34

Cee Jay 55

12/24/2016 7:54:18 PM
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Look at it this way

Even though I don't see the need for it, it is like the U.S. pulls a knife, Russia pulls a gun, the U.S. pulls a machine gun, the Russians pull a hand grenade, etc, etc......  
 
If one backs off, the other "wins".

johnnoon

12/24/2016 8:30:28 PM
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yes

  
Marpet said "
  
johnnoon said "The Russians are upgrading their arsenal that would be a good thing. Old unreliable technology is not a good thing to have.  
Also the better and more reliable the weapon the fewer that are needed so kind of a mixed blessing. "

Sure would hate to have old unreliable weapons of mass destruction. Sure would hate to leave any of them alive.  
 
The weapons we have already assure mutual destruction. We certainly don't need more.  
 
Generating fear in the public about being at a disadvantage just ensures that the government can continue to spend billions on unnecessary munitions while lining their own pockets.  
 
But I guess you get what you vote for...  
 
Marpet "

accidental launches on civilian targets are always a good thing when old shit breaks down.  
Of the 3000 or so nukes already detonated on this planet lets throw in failing equipment into the mix so we can have accidental launches. A weapon you can't trust and is unreliable can be far more dangerous than something that is reliable and never leaves the ground.

fargobob

12/24/2016 9:27:56 PM
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??

The short answer is no.  
 
The long answer, that has been touched on above, is complicated and has more than one answer depending on who has the answer.  
 
Regardless, the idea of upping the nuclear arms capability of any of the more powerful nations may mean a revisit (to some level) of the uncertainty of the cold war years of the '60s. Not my idea of progress.

Triplethreat

12/24/2016 10:43:01 PM
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Sad Truth, Balanced Power Is Safest

Well sadly, so long as both sides have pretty much the same ability to destroy each other, we have a balance of power. It is the safest situation to be in. If one side were to become significantly more capable of destroying the other, we would be in a very dangerous situation. Really, the only thing keeping us from having a "world war" since 1945 has been nuclear weapons. Ideally, the safest situation would be no WMDs of any kind, but that ain't gonna happen. Just a sad truth about the human race.  
 
Here's wishing we all have a peaceful Christmas and new year.

hutchster

12/25/2016 2:46:30 AM
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...

I'm truly amazed at the amount of test detonations that have occurred, I never would have guessed the number to exceed 2000, I honestly would have guessed 100-200 tops.  
 
Russia and USA aren't surprising what with the cold war and all, the france numbers shocked me the most.  
 
We really are our own species worst nightmare  
 
Interesting video that reminds me a field vision test at the eye doctor lol  
 
Edited by hutchster, 2016-12-25 02:51:17

hutchster

12/25/2016 2:50:46 AM
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Marpet

12/25/2016 5:13:41 AM
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The argument for a balance of power....

...is only made by those who want to remain in power. The US has made that argument for decades while requiring other countries to be nuclear free.  
Saying that it is a detergent is a bit hypocritical. Considering they were the only ones to ever use it...unjustly I might add.  
Not surprising, coming from the largest terrorist nation on the planet but hey ....4800 nuclear warheads is probably not a good enough detergent.  
 
Marpet

don brown

12/25/2016 7:54:23 AM
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Aug 2010
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Not much to say

Usually once every week, if not more, I hear of research that has been done somewhere around the world by medical researchers, or scientists, that have led to breakthroughs in new ways of fighting desease, or the development of new vaccines, or new medicines or medical procedures, and so a for awhile I am amazed that out of all the species that have been created through time, there is one who has the ability to protect the creation of time. The ability to protect not not only itself but other species and the planet as well.  
 
Then one morning you wake up and turn on a source of media and realize that there are those out there who in a way have taken us back in time. I looked at the map of all the testing and was amazed by the numbers, and wonder if upgrading a system d means that we also have to return to a time of extensive testing.  
 
One thing I am aware off is the idea that everything has a birth, a life, and a death, and by everything I mean everything, and for myself it seems sort of a waste of time and resources on the development of something that has the ability to remove most living things, when the purpose of life is to ensure the survival of the species. Although that being said, lemmings do prctice mass suicide by running over cliffs and drowning, guess in a way, even with the ability to think and plan ahead, we're not much smarter than a lemming.


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