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Integritynhonesty

9/14/2017 5:52:55 PM
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Workplace Bullying Petition e-1067

How many are aware of a federal workplace bullying petition that is available? Following is a link where it can be electronically signed. Please take a moment to do so. It may help you, someone you know, or your children in the future.  
 
https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-1067

 
 
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Johnbisonbear

9/14/2017 7:13:42 PM
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Does that include

bullying from your boss?

riversjack

9/14/2017 8:20:01 PM
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Private Sector

Too bad this does not cover harassment in the private sector. More needs to be done!!

Integritynhonesty

9/15/2017 8:10:14 AM
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Bullying from boss - does it include

YES. Check it out. It is pushing to make bullying illegal everywhere in workplaces

Integritynhonesty

9/15/2017 8:11:05 AM
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Private sector

  
riversjack said "Too bad this does not cover harassment in the private sector. More needs to be done!! "

Check out the link & the proposed bill. It DOES i:nclude the private sector. We need to stand up to this widespread problem!  
 
SIGN BEFORE SEPTEMBER 23!!!!  
 
Edited by Integritynhonesty, 2017-09-15 08:20:26

Integritynhonesty

9/15/2017 8:17:37 AM
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More info

Another website that offers more information is http://abrc.ca/  
 
It give a simpler explanation, and provides a link to the federal petition website as well.

Johnbisonbear

9/15/2017 9:34:56 AM
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thanks

  
Integritynhonesty said "YES. Check it out. It is pushing to make bullying illegal everywhere in workplaces "

but so far this petition only applies to Federal employees?  
 
Too bad, there are lots of employees who get bullied/harassed by their boss.

Des

9/15/2017 9:47:13 AM
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Workplace Safety and Health Act

The Manitoba Workplace Safety and Health Act requires all Manitoba employers to have a policy on harassment in the workplace which i:ncludes harassment that can be described as bullying. Failure to have a policy, or failure to address a complaint, can result in an investigation by Workplace Safety and Health and an improvement order requiring the employer to remedy the situation. So, bullying in the workplace is already illegal in Manitoba.

riversjack

9/15/2017 9:58:07 AM
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Workplace Health and Safety

Yes, all employers must have a Harassment policy, but that does not mean that they are enforced. Workplace Health and Safety are very limited as to what they are able to do in harassment instances. As long as there is "an investigation" happening, if a complaint has been made, then they cannot do anything. Doesn't necessarily mean that the results are fair/fit the complaint or situation. Something more needs to be done to allow employees to perform their job duties to the best of their ability in a safe environment. Yes, workplace bullying is illegal, but it is very hard to enforce.  
 
I will be signing this petition. I feel that this is the least I can do.

Integritynhonesty

9/15/2017 10:31:09 AM
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Federal employees

  
Johnbisonbear said "
  
Integritynhonesty said "YES. Check it out. It is pushing to make bullying illegal everywhere in workplaces "

but so far this petition only applies to Federal employees?  
 
Too bad, there are lots of employees who get bullied/harassed by their boss. "

No - so far the Federal employees are the only ones protected. This petition is to carry it into EVERYONE else.

Integritynhonesty

9/15/2017 10:36:14 AM
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Policy

  
Des said "The Manitoba Workplace Safety and Health Act requires all Manitoba employers to have a policy on harassment in the workplace which i:ncludes harassment that can be described as bullying. Failure to have a policy, or failure to address a complaint, can result in an investigation by Workplace Safety and Health and an improvement order requiring the employer to remedy the situation. So, bullying in the workplace is already illegal in Manitoba. "

Policy is just that. Many companies "copy" them from elsewhere. Should an issue arise, there are many unethical companies who refuse to follow the said policy. When they are forced to do so - they can then use an "investigation procedure" that is compromised to say the least. While an investigation MAY result - it is rare. The Health & Safety workers know each other. And, there is simply no guarantee that the Workplace Safety & Health officer will proceed with an investigation. Much like the "Old boys clubs" within workplaces.  
 
Bullying in the workplace, in that "respect" is considered illegal - BUT, we all know it is simply not enforced. Employees have little to no recourse. And, if they try to have it addressed, many end up unemployed - to which they have little resources as well.

Integritynhonesty

9/15/2017 10:39:41 AM
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riversjack you are correct!

  
riversjack said "Yes, all employers must have a Harassment policy, but that does not mean that they are enforced. Workplace Health and Safety are very limited as to what they are able to do in harassment instances. As long as there is "an investigation" happening, if a complaint has been made, then they cannot do anything. Doesn't necessarily mean that the results are fair/fit the complaint or situation. Something more needs to be done to allow employees to perform their job duties to the best of their ability in a safe environment. Yes, workplace bullying is illegal, but it is very hard to enforce.  
 
I will be signing this petition. I feel that this is the least I can do. "

The Harassment or "Respectful Workplace" policies are only as good as those that enforce them. And, we all know of toxic work environments that know exactly how to manipulate this.  
 
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!

JustanotherNobody

9/15/2017 12:27:18 PM
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What are some examples

This is interesting. What sort of things are considered to be bullying in the workplace.

Integritynhonesty

9/15/2017 12:37:15 PM
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Examples

  
JustanotherNobody said "This is interesting. What sort of things are considered to be bullying in the workplace. "

Top 25 workplace bullying tactics  
 
From the WBI 2003 Abusive Workplaces Survey:  
 
Top 25 tactics adopted by workplace bullies (as reported by bullied targets)  
 
1. falsely accused someone of “errors” not actually made (71%)  
2. stared, glared, was non-verbally intimidating and was clearly showing hostility (68%)  
3. discounted the person’s thoughts or feelings (“oh, that’s silly”) in meetings (64%)  
4. used the “silent treatment” to “ice out” & separate from others (64%)  
5. exhibited presumably uncontrollable mood swings in front of the group (61%)  
6. made up own rules on the fly that even she/he did not follow (61%)  
7. disregarded satisfactory or exemplary quality of completed work despite evidence (58%)  
8. harshly and constantly criticized having a different ‘standard’ for the Target (57%)  
9. started, or failed to stop, destructive rumors or gossip about the person (56%)  
10. encouraged people to turn against the person being tormented (55%)  
11. singled out and isolated one person from co-workers, either socially or physically (54%) 12. publicly displayed “gross,” undignified, but not illegal, behavior (53%)  
13. yelled, screamed, threw tantrums in front of others to humiliate a person (53%)  
14. stole credit for work done by others (47%)  
15. abused the evaluation process by lying about the person’s performance (46%)  
16. “insubordinate” for failing to follow arbitrary commands (46%)  
17. used confidential information about a person to humiliate privately or publicly (45%)  
18. retaliated against the person after a complaint was filed (45%)  
19. made verbal put-downs/insults based on gender, race, accent or language, disability (44%)  
20. assigned undesirable work as punishment (44%)  
21. made undoable demands– workload, deadlines, duties — for person singled out (44%)  
22. launched a baseless campaign to oust the person and not stopped by the employer (43%)  
23. encouraged the person to quit or transfer rather than to face more mistreatment (43%)  
24. sabotaged the person’s contribution to a team goal and reward (41%)  
25. ensured failure of person’s project by not performing required tasks: signoffs, taking calls, working with collaborators (40%)

JustanotherNobody

9/15/2017 1:06:44 PM
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Seriously

Our society is doomed. So we need the government to step in to our place of employment and watch over us so our feelings don't get hurt. or make sure we get a pat on the back every time we feel we deserve it. Undoable demands? When does all this crap end. I'm sorry boss, I cant come in tommorow. I worked so hard today I'm really tired now. I'm sorry but it seems a bit much to me.

Tractor17

9/15/2017 1:45:58 PM
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Agreed

I couldn't agree more. Society is full of a bunch of babies. Stick up for yourselves once in a while instead of waiting for someone to come in and do it for you.

MrDobalina

9/15/2017 4:42:00 PM
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why does this have to exist?

So now can we pay a monthly insurance premium to fund an entire new entity like WCB who will investigate?  
 
How do I defend against sabotaging a persons contribution? Who will determine what "doable" demands are with regard to deadlines/workload/duties?  
 
What is the fine? or what is the recourse? who gets the fine..the other employee or the owner of the company?  
 
This used to be what unions were for.

Brenda..

9/15/2017 5:57:12 PM
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stick up for yourself

  
Tractor17 said "I couldn't agree more. Society is full of a bunch of babies. Stick up for yourselves once in a while instead of waiting for someone to come in and do it for you. "

Yes, to a point you can in a private company. Then down the road, after sticking up for yourself and being employed for 23 years at a company, all of a sudden you are laid off. It is just not so easy to stick up for yourself. I did it and look were it got me. There seems to be a fine line in which you can stick up for yourself.  
 
But, they lost the battle in the end, as I proved them wrong...with a lot of stress, hard work, meetings, etc.  
 
Employees should not have to go through that, obviously they liked my work and I liked the company to be there 23 years......happy employees perform better, work harder and will give all they can when treated with respect, just as a boss should be treated.  
 
I was very ill during this time with depression and they expected an exact return to date. Well, gee, it does not heal like a broken arm. They gave me a copy of a letter that they said they sent to my Dr., all very nice. Until I went to the doctor and he showed me his letter, completely different than mine. Human resources only know how to do things by the book, they don't understand how to "work with people". This big company might just be in the east end, working with steel.  
 
Edited by Brenda, 2017-09-15 18:00:59

artsylikes

9/15/2017 7:43:41 PM
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You ask for examples?

'Just another somebody' - you ask for examples of workplace bullying and in an instant you have somehow become an expert on the subject with your response? Tractor 17 joined in with discounting or diminishing someone else's views or concerns which is another form of bullying. Intentionally creating conflict is another. Bullying is unacceptable and many are afraid to voice concerns because of these exact tactics. The struggle is real!!

JustanotherNobody

9/16/2017 7:48:12 AM
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No expert, just...

tired of all the poor me, poor me crap that we seem to have such difficulty with as adults. Sure as a child, everybody gets a participation medal. But your mom cant hold your hand for ever. The struggle is real, and it starts when you get out of bed in the morning.

Integritynhonesty

9/16/2017 10:14:43 AM
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Human Resources &; sticking up for yourself

  
Brenda said "
  
Tractor17 said "I couldn't agree more. Society is full of a bunch of babies. Stick up for yourselves once in a while instead of waiting for someone to come in and do it for you. "

Yes, to a point you can in a private company. Then down the road, after sticking up for yourself and being employed for 23 years at a company, all of a sudden you are laid off. It is just not so easy to stick up for yourself. I did it and look were it got me. There seems to be a fine line in which you can stick up for yourself.  
 
But, they lost the battle in the end, as I proved them wrong...with a lot of stress, hard work, meetings, etc.  
 
Employees should not have to go through that, obviously they liked my work and I liked the company to be there 23 years......happy employees perform better, work harder and will give all they can when treated with respect, just as a boss should be treated.  
 
I was very ill during this time with depression and they expected an exact return to date. Well, gee, it does not heal like a broken arm. They gave me a copy of a letter that they said they sent to my Dr., all very nice. Until I went to the doctor and he showed me his letter, completely different than mine. Human resources only know how to do things by the book, they don't understand how to "work with people". This big company might just be in the east end, working with steel.  
 
Edited by Brenda, 2017-09-15 18:00:59"

I have heard and seen numerous situations as yours, Brenda.  
However, unfortunately, this is where HR is NOT doing things by the book. Often, they refuse to deal with the issues at hand - or simply prefer to keep things 'as is'... OR... simply, the problem(s) start from the top. The dictatorship/bullying attitude is perhaps why there is such a bullying atmosphere. Perhaps:  
 
- They do not want things to change  
- Employees are "beneath" them & those that bring the issues (ones they are already aware of) to light, challenge them, try to have them dealt with, complain, try to stick up for themselves - are simply seen at the problem.  
- The company culture is of dictatorship. Employees are "below" those in power.  
- Anyone who dares to go against the "leaders" suffer consequences  
 
HR SHOULD be dealing with these issues. However, there are many untrained & unqualified "professionals." Some of the "trained" or "in Training" lack empathy &/or may be narcissists (or worse), who enjoy destroying people & their careers.  
 
Once in power, employees have little to no recourse against those with the power. If a "lowly" employee dares to attempt to address the problem(s), bring it out - the repercussions, can & are devastating. Coworkers are scared to stand up for anyone bullied, knowing they may & will be next.  
 
Those against this - hopefully someday, you &/or anyone you love/care about does not end up at the receiving end of one of these managers, supervisors, employers, etc.... They know exactly how to abuse their authority. And, they know how to get away with it.  
 
Our society is doomed because of this attitude of some of these employers already at hand.

artsylikes

9/16/2017 11:35:49 AM
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Hardly an expert

'Just another somebody' you asked a question to stir up something that you obviously have no clue about. Your assumptions that people have to let go of their mothers ARE mothers and grandmothers so please don't be pretentious and draw your answers from wherever! Obviously you have no real insight but rather you are just throwing out words with absolutely nothing to back it up. So go ahead and make another uneducated guess to justify why you think people are making things up. Or maybe take the time to actually read and learn.

Brenda..

9/16/2017 12:08:32 PM
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Integritynhonesty

Integritynhonesty

9/16/2017 5:03:01 PM
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Thanks Brenda

Thanks Brenda,  
 
And... many do & some don''t realize, but both the "reputable" & "non-reputable" HR "Leaders" can both positively & negatively affect careers. It is unfortunate that many poor "leaders" can simply destroy those that they are led to believe are "bad" - without verifying this themselves.  
 
Those destroyed - whether for reason or not (and I have also seen numerous without validated & unfairly destroyed)..... have little to no recourse, despite the "ability to seek legal recourse." That is simply a joke.  
 
Some of these "Leaders" do this simply out of being malicious, jealous - and have again, little to no consequences for this. But, the employee affected often has their career/livelihood/or more destroyed.  
 
These "leaders" all all connected. Future job opportunities can & are affected. This is also an unfair trend that is becoming more and more prevalent. While this is not appropriate & those affected can seek legal recourse - most cannot afford or seek to do so. It will also lead to further detrimental implications. Often, the affected job seeker cannot prove this, but is well aware of the "associations" of HR "professionals" & others who can "touch base"/connect with each other regarding the affected (bullied) individual.  
 
These bullies in higher positions can and will destroy further opportunities.  
 
This destructive behavior needs to be reigned in.  
 
Edited by Integritynhonesty, 2017-09-16 17:07:41

Brenda..

9/16/2017 5:52:47 PM
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Integritynhonesty

I did seek legal counsel and won. I had a lot of evidence that I was indeed very sick. The bank accepted in paying my mortgage, I had the different letters to the doctor, etc. My doctor actually suggested a lawyer out of Wpg., whom I used.  
 
Long process, but I knew I had lots of good material, no less my work history of 23 years, with not one bad report. So, I won. But it certainly did not lessen the hurt and I am sure I would still be working there if this sickness and me standing up for myself never happened.  
 
It had it's ups and downs like any job. Every job has that, and that is something that employer's must learn, which is different from bullying. They had great benefits among other things.  
 
That has been five years ago now, then I worked somewhere else, and had to go on sick leave....but finally, I am ready to find a part time job and get back out there....

Integritynhonesty

9/16/2017 6:19:50 PM
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Brenda

None of this should have happened. Yet, it continues to happen all over, in all areas.  
 
Too many employers, HR, businesses, etc.. treat employees as "disposable" & continue to get away with this.  
 
Employees across Canada need to take a stand and sign this petition. If not for themselves, but for friends, family & the future upcoming generations. We hear so much about bullying in schools.... where do we think it flows into??? It does not end after school.

Brenda..

9/16/2017 6:43:14 PM
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Correct

  
Integritynhonesty said "None of this should have happened. Yet, it continues to happen all over, in all areas.  
 
Too many employers, HR, businesses, etc.. treat employees as "disposable" & continue to get away with this.  
 
Employees across Canada need to take a stand and sign this petition. If not for themselves, but for friends, family & the future upcoming generations. We hear so much about bullying in schools.... where do we think it flows into??? It does not end after school. "

none of it should have happened - it stole 5 years of my life. Yes, I was ill while still employed there, but after being laid off and all that came along with it, just manifested my illness.  
 
Now, in looking at part time jobs, there are also obstacles. Will/Can I make it work? I know I can...I have been volunteering for a year three days a week and never missed a shift. but, there is always that but! Too much work/income will affect my disability income. I would love to work full time again, but sleep issues are not resolved...so not sure I can work full time, I am not allowed to drive on the highway due to sleep issues (my family is in Hamiota).  
 
So this still affects me in certain ways to this day. It is not like I think about it daily, in fact I hardly think of it at all. It is the struggles in living so differently (so much less income), which is also so stressful.  
 
Everything from living to getting back in the workforce is a struggle. Staying home (except for my volunteering) is a struggle. It is actually stressful finding things to do around the house and yard, going shopping is out of the picture......  
 
So while they carry on with their conglomerate of companies, billions in sales and their, Canada’s 50 Best Managed Private Companies with Platinum status since 2003. They have no idea what all of this did to me....or do they care.  
 
I will push on and move forward....  
 
So for those who say to stand up for yourself - it may not be that easy in the private sector (yes they have a union in the plant, but not the office). But, in saying all of that - I would stand up for myself again. But, I would be much more prepared with documents, a letter from my doctor and information on depression and mental illness. I hear they are now doing better with people that have had to take time off due to mental illness - I can only hope my situation helped play a part in that.  
 
Edited by Brenda, 2017-09-16 18:48:00

on-second-thought

9/17/2017 12:20:15 PM
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Only federal

Workplace bullying, psychological violence etc is definitely an issue, but this petition is misguided. It is petitioning for amendment to federal legislation that already exists. The petitioner states that the CLC "does not expressly prohibit psychological violence in the workplace or protect workers from hazardous work environments due to psychological violence". This is absolutely incorrect, COHS Reg XX, Violence Prevention in the Workplace includes psychological harm. Perhaps she doesn't understand that the COHSR and enabled by the Code. Here's the government interpretation.  
 
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/laws-regulations/labour/interpretations-policies/081.html.  
 
The federal government has some of the most stringent regulations when it comes to workplace violence, including psychological. It only applies to those employees who are federally regulated. Also, the petitioner states that it applies to Canadian Military. That is false. DND employees are covered by the Code, the military is governed by the NDA and QR&O.  
 
The NDP member from Saskatchewan West that sponsored this petition should be doing her homework.

Integritynhonesty

9/18/2017 8:41:20 AM
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on second thought

Looks like I stand corrected. I should have read & understood the petition myself prior to this.  
 
Thanks for pointing this out.  
 
Hopefully,this will actually be proposed & come into place for all other workers some day. It is desperately needed.  
 
Edited by Integritynhonesty, 2017-09-18 08:43:37

MrDobalina

9/18/2017 9:18:43 AM
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What about employees who treat employers as disposable?

  
Brenda said "
  
Integritynhonesty said "None of this should have happened. Yet, it continues to happen all over, in all areas.  
 
Too many employers, HR, businesses, etc.. treat employees as "disposable" & continue to get away with this.  
 
Employees across Canada need to take a stand and sign this petition. If not for themselves, but for friends, family & the future upcoming generations. We hear so much about bullying in schools.... where do we think it flows into??? It does not end after school. "

none of it should have happened - it stole 5 years of my life. Yes, I was ill while still employed there, but after being laid off and all that came along with it, just manifested my illness.  
 
Now, in looking at part time jobs, there are also obstacles. Will/Can I make it work? I know I can...I have been volunteering for a year three days a week and never missed a shift. but, there is always that but! Too much work/income will affect my disability income. I would love to work full time again, but sleep issues are not resolved...so not sure I can work full time, I am not allowed to drive on the highway due to sleep issues (my family is in Hamiota).  
 
So this still affects me in certain ways to this day. It is not like I think about it daily, in fact I hardly think of it at all. It is the struggles in living so differently (so much less income), which is also so stressful.  
 
Everything from living to getting back in the workforce is a struggle. Staying home (except for my volunteering) is a struggle. It is actually stressful finding things to do around the house and yard, going shopping is out of the picture......  
 
So while they carry on with their conglomerate of companies, billions in sales and their, Canada’s 50 Best Managed Private Companies with Platinum status since 2003. They have no idea what all of this did to me....or do they care.  
 
I will push on and move forward....  
 
So for those who say to stand up for yourself - it may not be that easy in the private sector (yes they have a union in the plant, but not the office). But, in saying all of that - I would stand up for myself again. But, I would be much more prepared with documents, a letter from my doctor and information on depression and mental illness. I hear they are now doing better with people that have had to take time off due to mental illness - I can only hope my situation helped play a part in that.  
 
Edited by Brenda, 2017-09-16 18:48:00"

When did employers become the enemy? You can blow shifts, not finish your work or do it half hearted and that's fine because you're an employee... but what about the employer? Why is the employer responsible for everything? They submit your taxes for you, they pay you out of their pocket for stat holidays, they pay you out of pocket for 2 or 3 weeks paid vacation every year, they match dollar for dollar your CPP contributions and pay another 60% on top of what you contribute to E.I, and on and on. Then you take off for a year or however long so they need to replace you with a term position who has a job but only at your leisure because as soon as you decide your ready to come back they get laid off?

 
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