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Flutterby

9/14/2016 4:17:38 PM
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What is this vine?

I found this growing in amongst our chokecherries. Can anyone help me identify it? The leavescare very distinctive and clear in the picture.  
 
We picked what berries we could in case it is invasive. We have only found one plant so far.  
 
Edited by Flutterby, 2016-09-14 16:22:13

 
 
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curlysister

9/14/2016 4:24:21 PM
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hmmm

The berries are chokecherry berries, or off the vine?  
 
If berries from the vine, is it Arrowwood??  
 
Edited by curlysister, 2016-09-14 16:30:10

chabby

9/14/2016 4:34:29 PM
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Is it this?

Roundleaf greenbrier ?  
 
Check out this website:  
http://www.gardening-for-wildlife.com/vines-of-the-prairie.html

Rue

9/14/2016 4:42:04 PM
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vine

  
curlysister said "The berries are chokecherry berries, or off the vine?  
 
If berries from the vine, is it Arrowwood??  
 
Edited by curlysister, 2016-09-14 16:30:10"

hopefully it's not poisonous I see you touched with bare hands

Rue

9/14/2016 4:45:44 PM
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vine

  
Flutterby said "I found this growing in amongst our chokecherries. Can anyone help me identify it? The leavescare very distinctive and clear in the picture.  
 
We picked what berries we could in case it is invasive. We have only found one plant so far.  
 
Edited by Flutterby, 2016-09-14 16:22:13"

oops I meant this for you.  
hopefully it's not poisonous I see you touched it with bare hands

finallyme

9/14/2016 6:36:33 PM
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Vine. berries identity

Just today I found the same thing along a fence line in the country, can not recall every seeing them before, so took pictures hoping to identify.

Flutterby

9/14/2016 6:50:23 PM
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We washed our hands afterward. No cuts on hands beforehand.  
 
The kids had picked it before I could stop them. At least they knew to ask and not just eat them as they were eating the chokecherries there.  
 
Curlysister, the berries are off the vine.  
 
I checked all of these things, and still nothing appears to fit. The roundleaf greenbrier seems closest except that all of these berries come out of one spot...like fireworks.  
 
I know most people get things identified at BU, but is there anywhere else to take it to, even in Winnipeg?  
 
Edited by Flutterby, 2016-09-14 18:51:08

finallyme

9/14/2016 7:14:30 PM
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Vine identify

Maybe a "Wild Sarsaparilla". According to the picture in a book I have.

TEN

9/14/2016 8:40:29 PM
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Wild Grapes

They look like wild grapes. See them out in the sandhills area.

thatsjustme

9/15/2016 9:51:17 AM
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**

are the berries perfectly round? do they have any other characteristics?

Flutterby

9/15/2016 9:59:24 AM
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finallyme said "Maybe a "Wild Sarsaparilla". According to the picture in a book I have. "

The cluster looks the same, but not the leaves...and it is a vine. The wild Sarsaparilla is not a vine so it seems and the leaf cluster is different. These have individual rounding leaves.  
 
It is not a wild grape according to pictures that I have found. The leaf is much different and the clusters are too.  
 
This is so odd. I have looked at everything that I can and everything suggested. I have no idea where it came from either. I guess that I will just keep on looking.  
 
Thanks.

JoBeth

9/15/2016 10:20:46 AM
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Could it be Evening Nightshade?

Adam

9/15/2016 10:40:23 AM
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Berries

Definitely wise to respect the unknown!

Any seeds? Chance of having a thin enough knife to split one (safely of course) and see what they look like inside?


Edited by Adam, 2016-09-15 10:56:11

finallyme

9/15/2016 12:20:44 PM
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vine

I took one berry a squeeze it inside was 4 separate seeds but also lots of pulp , my plant looks like the picture. This morning I took book and ruler out to the plant it is not sasprilla has privously suggested.

Emracoad

9/15/2016 12:36:48 PM
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I second the suggestion of greenbrier. I think there must be some variation in how the berries grow. Google images shows a number of pictures of this plant that has the same type of "firework" clusters that your pictures have.

JoBeth

9/15/2016 12:51:38 PM
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Totally roundleaf greenbrier.

finallyme

9/15/2016 6:33:29 PM
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vine

I took one berry a squeeze it inside was 4 separate seeds but also lots of pulp , my plant looks like the picture. This morning I took book and ruler out to the plant it is not sasprilla has privously suggested.

Donna

9/16/2016 8:29:58 AM
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so interesting

I saw the same plant yesterday and took pictures while I was mowing grass. it was in a treed area and I have never noticed it before either.

Flutterby

9/16/2016 9:00:00 AM
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JoBeth said "http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/131838/ "

Thank you!  
 
This is the conclusion that I was most leaning toward and seemed to be the consensus on another forum too. The picture given on this site best matches the plant that we have. Pictures on other sites differed in some way. I wonder if there are different variations depending on specific type?  
 
It states zone 4. Hmmm...I realize zones aren't always accurate and there can be microclimates. Maybe I should plant something special there as we are considered zone 2. :D

Flutterby

9/16/2016 9:43:50 AM
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I was doing more reading and I read that it has edible parts, although I am not going to try this out for myself. I am not quite that brave. This site says to pick parts "from vines containing both thorns and tendrils only." Take a look at those huge tubers!  
 
http://www.foragingtexas.com/2008/08/greenbriar.html?m=:1  
 
It is supposed to be native to North America and some types are endangered.  
 
I also read that it could be invasive, spreading both by seeds and shoots/runners. I wonder if that depends on the area or anywhere it takes root? Some plants are invasive in BC but aren''t here, for example.  
 
It can be hard to get rid of being able to resist both dry & wet conditions. It can also kill the trees or whatever it climbs.  
 
I am not sure that I want to battle more invasive plants and am leaning toward trying to dig it up before it gets too large. Hopefully I can.  
 
Edited by Flutterby, 2016-09-16 09:53:41

JoBeth

9/16/2016 10:30:59 AM
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No problem

My pleasure flutterby. It was going to bug me until I found it...lol. I'm thinking by the looks of those tubers, I wouldn't want it in my garden. Good luck digging...

Flutterby

9/16/2016 10:43:31 AM
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JoBeth, I am hoping that since it is young and not well established that it will be able to be dug.  
 
There were tendrils but no thorns, by the way.  
 
I am the same way. I have been searching like crazy to find out what it was for sure. Now my search is over and the war on this vine begins. :S  
 
Edited by Flutterby, 2016-09-16 10:56:21

Henpecked

9/18/2016 4:24:56 PM
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what vine is this

it looks like black berry. check image

JoBeth

9/18/2016 6:21:54 PM
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Don't think it's black berry

Leaves are not the same. Blackberries are single berries. This vine has clusters of berries.

Flutterby

9/18/2016 6:50:30 PM
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Positive ID from expert in native plants

I emailed the Executive Director of the  
Native Plant Society of Saskatchewan. I got a reply back today. The following is what he replied.  
 
"Thanks for your interest in native plants. According to my sources, Manitoba does not have Smilax Rotundifolia (Round Leaf Greenbrier). I think you have Blue Ridge Carrion Flower (Smilax lasioneura). This is a common native plant in shady/forested areas and is not invasive. The leaf shape in most plants is somewhat variable and so is not a great trait to base plant identification on in general. One interesting fact about Carrion Flowers is that they smell a little like rotting meat, which attracts the flies that pollinate them."


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