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hisluvmonkey

7/6/2018 2:06:11 PM
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Truck Driver Charged in Humbolt Bronco's accident

RCMP press conference-just announced, such a tragedy.

Edited by admin, 2018-07-06 14:16:57. Reason: title

Brenda..

7/6/2018 2:59:49 PM
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charges

16 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death and 13 counts of dangerous operation of motor vehicle causing bodily injury.  
 
The semi was in the intersection when the bus hit him - that was a topic among many.  
 
CBC.ca  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/laid-humboldt-bus-crash-update-1.4736826  
 
 
CTV.ca  
 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-truck-driver-faces-29-charges-in-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.4002880  
 
Edited by Brenda.., 2018-07-06 15:13:10

Alvin Hansen

7/7/2018 1:44:18 AM
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Trucking Company Equally Culpable

The company which operated that unit should be held equally culpable for the accident, unfortunately the owner dissolved that company and re-formed another trucking company at the same address but operating under a different name. I'd say he's hiding behind a legal smoke screen to avoid any further prosecution. You can't charge a company which no longer exists.

mikesims

7/7/2018 4:36:17 AM
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how

Do you see that the company is at fault ? The driver is responsible for that truck while he’s driving it . The driver made the poor decision to advance past the stop sign without making sure it was safe to do so . The driver was given 2 weeks training. Most likely a road test to see if he can drive and then training on any safety certs needed. The company had 2 trucks in total with no other violations with dot. So again how is the company at fault also ??

Collie

7/7/2018 8:15:21 AM
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Whole industry is at fault

  
mikesims said "Do you see that the company is at fault ? The driver is responsible for that truck while he’s driving it . The driver made the poor decision to advance past the stop sign without making sure it was safe to do so . The driver was given 2 weeks training. Most likely a road test to see if he can drive and then training on any safety certs needed. The company had 2 trucks in total with no other violations with dot. So again how is the company at fault also ?? "

This accident is just the tip of the iceberg. I have been a class 1 over the road driver for many years and have left the industry. The events of this accident are just the beginning. The quality of life and standard of living in which the paycheque of a driver now provide really do not compute anymore so that is why there are so many new and inexperienced drivers on the road. All companies need to start taking some responsibility for this, and sadly, there is one thing that could solve a lot of problems and its always money. I myself have left the road and have been able to secure employment that equals the gross annual salary of a driver, but I work a more regular 40 hr week and sleep in my own bed instead of being away working 70 hrs a week. Doesn't add up. I still have a lot to do with trucking now, I just don't drive. I recently read an article stating that to match 1985's cost of living a driver today should earn almost 120k annually to be equivalent, and trust me the rates are far from that. Thousands of good, safe courteous drivers have left the industry because year after year their cheques never go up, taxes increase and so does everything else and it has recently hit the point where the lifestyle and risk don't justify the reward. I could find anyone 20 drivers to fill jobs with great driving records but no one will come back unless things change. Heck I would drive again with a few small improvements. Sadly though anyone who pays for a lot of transportation has seen the costs go up greatly, but that is only to cover a trucking companies largest expense and that is fuel. If you look deep into rates that are paid, the base rate is the same as the early 80's, with variable rate fuel surcharges. The money never makes it back to the driver. A few things which I would like to see the industry implement in the light of this accident are as followed:  
 
1. He was a new driver. He should have still been driving in a team situation to get more coaching from an experienced driver.  
 
2. He was pulling combination trailers with little driving experience. We have a graduated system for class 5 and motorcycle licenses, we need some graduation in Class 1 as well. In my opinion both combination trailers and dangerous goods should be restricted for at least 1 year after becoming a driver.  
 
This company was also a very new company, and what was the experience of the owner? Business is business to a point but I have also seen people with money buy trucks as an investment, while never ever being over the road and let me tell you when I have worked for people like this. Often they start up and cut the rate to get the work, but have to cut corners somewhere and this is often the result.  
 
As a society we have start looking deeper at this. We all feel entitled to demand better of everything and even sometimes buy into false propaganda. Fast food companies can stand on a soap box and claim their food is more ethically raised than the competitors, but if a trucking company were to stand tall and claim their drivers are trained, experienced, properly compensated for their hard work and experience, but the rate we need to charge for you the consumer to sleep at night knowing this, will be higher than company xyz down the street, we as a society won't pay it yet and company xyz gets the work. I hope it gets better. Trucking used to a noble industry which nothing but hard work led to success.

Farmers Feed the World

7/7/2018 9:21:59 AM
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I'm still curious to hear where he got his class 1 license? Did he get it on his first try or did he get it in one province and transfer to another? There needs to be better regulatory and more training requirements for class 1.

ifish

7/7/2018 9:33:11 AM
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It says he was hired on with the company for one month, received 2 weeks training then on the road for 2 weeks.It has never been stated how long the driver has held his class 1 for. So we dont know when he got his license.  
 
He was pulling a two trailers but peat is light but bulky and the weight of the trailer is unknown and peat is not a dangerous goods or hazardous.  
 
One month after the accident the owner of the company fired up another business it had on the back burners and was trying to recruit drivers for it. Not sure how many companies this owner has registered but my guess is a few.

Collie

7/7/2018 10:24:45 AM
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I agree

  
ifish said "It says he was hired on with the company for one month, received 2 weeks training then on the road for 2 weeks.It has never been stated how long the driver has held his class 1 for. So we dont know when he got his license.  
 
He was pulling a two trailers but peat is light but bulky and the weight of the trailer is unknown and peat is not a dangerous goods or hazardous.  
 
One month after the accident the owner of the company fired up another business it had on the back burners and was trying to recruit drivers for it. Not sure how many companies this owner has registered but my guess is a few. "

Peat moss is light and not dangerous, but the truck will be registered for 63,500kg in both saskatchewan and alberta, so the next load could be heavier and a dangerous good or both. Just making a point that any driver can and will get hired for any job regardless of experience and inherent danger of the load.

mikesims

7/7/2018 4:53:06 PM
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I’m

Still not sure how the whole industry is at fault . I’m also a class one drive and have over a million safe and accident free record. The load nor the trailers have anything to do with this drivers poor judgment m. Also super B pulls better then a 53ft . He was in the intersection when it wasn’t safe . Not the owner of company . I do agree that more training is needed. I got my class one in ont but failed my first test due to backing up on a blind side . My course was 6 weeks I think . Anyways the owner had no idea how this driver was going to drive solo. Even in a team he could have been fine and passed all the requirements that are set for the company . The driver could have been over hr and tired but no one knows except the driver and RCMP . Anyways I hope this driver gets put away a long time and makes other drivers think twice about trying to cross to save the 5 mins waiting to cross safely.

traveller

7/7/2018 5:19:09 PM
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:)

  
Brenda.. said "16 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death and 13 counts of dangerous operation of motor vehicle causing bodily injury.  
 
The semi was in the intersection when the bus hit him - that was a topic among many.  
 
CBC.ca  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/laid-humboldt-bus-crash-update-1.4736826  
 
 
CTV.ca  
 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-truck-driver-faces-29-charges-in-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.4002880  
 
Edited by Brenda.., 2018-07-06 15:13:10"

This is a very sad story for everyone and with the charges im sure there is more info that the public doesnt have but one thing i have thought about is, if the semi was already in the intersection and the bus hit the semi,like you stated and,my limited experience seems like, then it seems both drivers made mistakes  
 
while the bus driver died in the crash and I feel for ALL the families he was a professional driver as well. Professional drivers dont just drive to the law they also have to watch for other drivers and their mistakes, unfortunately large vehicles are commonly seen doing taxi stops at stop signs due to how long it takes them to get going. Im sure neither driver wanted this to happen and we all make mistakes but when i am driving a bus load of kids,a semi or even my car i do watch for semis doing these common mistakes, being the bus driver is also a professional driver I am surprised the bus hit the semi  
 
very sad neither seen it coming but also a reminder to the rest of us to watch for people making these mistakes so we can avoid another tragedy

Grandmama

7/7/2018 6:34:00 PM
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Oops!

  
traveller said "
  
Brenda.. said "16 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death and 13 counts of dangerous operation of motor vehicle causing bodily injury.  
 
The semi was in the intersection when the bus hit him - that was a topic among many.  
 
CBC.ca  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/laid-humboldt-bus-crash-update-1.4736826  
 
 
CTV.ca  
 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-truck-driver-faces-29-charges-in-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.4002880  
 
Edited by Brenda.., 2018-07-06 15:13:10"

This is a very sad story for everyone and with the charges im sure there is more info that the public doesnt have but one thing i have thought about is, if the semi was already in the intersection and the bus hit the semi,like you stated and,my limited experience seems like, then it seems both drivers made mistakes  
 
while the bus driver died in the crash and I feel for ALL the families he was a professional driver as well. Professional drivers dont just drive to the law they also have to watch for other drivers and their mistakes, unfortunately large vehicles are commonly seen doing taxi stops at stop signs due to how long it takes them to get going. Im sure neither driver wanted this to happen and we all make mistakes but when i am driving a bus load of kids,a semi or even my car i do watch for semis doing these common mistakes, being the bus driver is also a professional driver I am surprised the bus hit the semi  
 
very sad neither seen it coming but also a reminder to the rest of us to watch for people making these mistakes so we can avoid another tragedy "

Sorry, had a link to share but it didn''t work.  
 
And my apologies to traveller, did not plan to quote your post. Not doing very well on here today!  
 
Edited by Grandmama, 2018-07-07 18:36:48

ifish

7/7/2018 7:11:29 PM
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Owner of suspended trucking company recruiting drivers while under investigation for Humboldt Broncos crash  
 
 
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/humboldt-broncos-crash-revived-truck-company-1.4694074

traveller

7/7/2018 8:16:40 PM
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:)

  
Grandmama said "
  
traveller said "
  
Brenda.. said "16 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death and 13 counts of dangerous operation of motor vehicle causing bodily injury.  
 
The semi was in the intersection when the bus hit him - that was a topic among many.  
 
CBC.ca  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/laid-humboldt-bus-crash-update-1.4736826  
 
 
CTV.ca  
 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-truck-driver-faces-29-charges-in-humboldt-broncos-crash-1.4002880  
 
Edited by Brenda.., 2018-07-06 15:13:10"

This is a very sad story for everyone and with the charges im sure there is more info that the public doesnt have but one thing i have thought about is, if the semi was already in the intersection and the bus hit the semi,like you stated and,my limited experience seems like, then it seems both drivers made mistakes  
 
while the bus driver died in the crash and I feel for ALL the families he was a professional driver as well. Professional drivers dont just drive to the law they also have to watch for other drivers and their mistakes, unfortunately large vehicles are commonly seen doing taxi stops at stop signs due to how long it takes them to get going. Im sure neither driver wanted this to happen and we all make mistakes but when i am driving a bus load of kids,a semi or even my car i do watch for semis doing these common mistakes, being the bus driver is also a professional driver I am surprised the bus hit the semi  
 
very sad neither seen it coming but also a reminder to the rest of us to watch for people making these mistakes so we can avoid another tragedy "

Sorry, had a link to share but it didn''t work.  
 
And my apologies to traveller, did not plan to quote your post. Not doing very well on here today!  
 
Edited by Grandmama, 2018-07-07 18:36:48"

no worries at all

RC123

7/7/2018 8:39:26 PM
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personal opinion

To me this has nothing to do with the trucking company. He had 2 weeks of training and even without training a person (30 year old man even) SHOULD know better that to be in the intersection when it is not safe. My guess is he blew through that stop sign which didn’t give the bus driver a chance to even stop. We all know trucks take a bit to get moving after a complete stop which would have given the bus a bit more reaction time to see him entering the intersection. I may be wrong but to me this is the drivers complete fault. When driving something as big as a semi common sense says you are going to be the one who comes out on top in a collision.  
 
Just my thoughts

Brenda..

7/7/2018 8:58:52 PM
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opinion

I feel sorry for all involved. It has ruined lives of parents and the truck driver and his family. Who, by the looks of him, immigrated to this country and at least was working for his family.  
 
I am positive that he would not have got in his rig that day and said, well let's hit a bus full of hockey players. A terrible accident and tragedy.  
 
There is no doubt there will be many more accidents the way people drive these days, always in a hurry, trying to beat the other person.  
 
We remember the four players killed in the Swift Current bus crash. Driven by a volunteer, but found not responsible because of road conditions. I know, playoffs, schedules..but perhaps if the roads were that bad they should have cancelled the game.  
 
I am sure the parents of the Bronco's are now a little more relieved to know, he will be charged and it may bring some closure. But I would bet, they would take their children back rather than "beating down" this truck driver who will have to live with this for the rest of his life and has been getting counselling since a few days after this terrible accident.  
 
My one question remains, is why the log book was not released. Although those hours can all be "a little bit off"  
 
To all involved - a terrible tragedy.

ifish

7/7/2018 9:54:01 PM
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Actually it has only been stated he had 2 weeks of training and been out 2 weeks on his own. It has never been mentioned how long he has had his class one license for. He might have been a new driver its never been mentioned.  
 
That intersection has a farm yard right at the corner with lots of trees that block any view. But its been like that for years, and i think one other accident happened there years ago. The road does not have rumble strips which in my opinion was a key factor.  
 
They also said if either vehicle was going 1.5 seconds faster or slower they would have missed each other.

Brenda..

7/7/2018 10:25:12 PM
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license

I had thought I read somewhere, where the semi driver had his license longer, but had just started at this company. I cannot find the exact article I found it in, but did find this from the Calgary Herald. In which he did work for another company before and in the other story I read, said he had his license for a year.  
 
 
"The owner said he verified the driver’s licence and credentials when hiring the man, adding the driver had driven for another company before being hired at Adesh Deol,  
 
Singh said he gave the driver another 15 days of training when the man was hired."  
 
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/humboldt-broncos-crash-trucking-company-owner-says-he-has-never-driven-fatal-route

myhandleistrain

7/8/2018 8:22:24 AM
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So sad

So many families destroyed. Unfortunately, no amount of jail time will bring back their loved ones. If anything can be learned by this tragedy, in my mind, it would be driving a vehicle is an enormous responsibility. When ever somebody gets behind the wheel, even for a trip to the corner store, we must keep focused, obey signs and speeds.

Oryx

7/11/2018 2:48:15 PM
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Parents are suing

In today's paper and on CBC the parents of the youngest player killed have actioned a lawsuit against the semi driver, the trucking company and the bus's manufacturer.  
 
 
"In the claim, the Herolds note their son had the potential to play in the big league....Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million dollars over the course of his NHL hockey career."  
 
I wonder if we will see more of this in the months to come?  
 
 
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/herold-estate-legal-action-humboldt-bus-crash-1.4740719

Brenda..

7/11/2018 5:48:00 PM
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sad

  
Oryx said "In today's paper and on CBC the parents of the youngest player killed have actioned a lawsuit against the semi driver, the trucking company and the bus's manufacturer.  
 
 
"In the claim, the Herolds note their son had the potential to play in the big league....Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million dollars over the course of his NHL hockey career."  
 
I wonder if we will see more of this in the months to come?  
 
 
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/herold-estate-legal-action-humboldt-bus-crash-1.4740719 "

the whole "accident" was sad.  
 
He may have had potential for the big league, but he may also have had potential for a life altering injury during the next few years of playing.

ProfessorFaulken

7/12/2018 1:54:59 AM
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Family suing

Why doesn't the family charge the company that last graded the roads, charge the driver's parents for making the driver, charge the grocery store where the driver buys his food, etc. etc. etc.  
 
I truly feel for the families, so please don't get me wrong. I just don't understand how the family can start suing people, when the driver is already being charged? Have we turned into the U.S.A where they sue you just because?

bdn15

7/12/2018 6:17:01 AM
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agreed

Agreed. Truly an awful accident however I really can’t believe that they are going that route now.

 
 
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