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Spaghetti Monster

10/1/2018 3:19:46 PM
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Canadian dairy

The US and Canada have reached an agreement. The US will now have access to almost 4% of our dairy market.  
 
Will you still buy Canadian milk even if the American equivalent might be cheaper?

yellowstraw

10/1/2018 3:45:18 PM
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research

I have some research to do into the American dairy industry but their milk products scare me a bit. Maybe it's not true (and hence why I need to do research!) but don't they allow a lot more hormones and stuff into their products? If so, I will not buy it. If it turns out to be all the same as Canadian milk AND it's cheaper? Then yes, I will buy it because money is always tight and I gotta do what I gotta do to feed my family.

SzaSza

10/1/2018 3:58:53 PM
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Support local!!

Brandon manitoba makes dairyland milk right here in the city at saputo! If you can please support local. Major corporations like Walmart are squeezing out the little guys and trying to find the cheapest alternatives. Walmart here in Brandon will no longer be selling dairyland and supporting the milk that is made right here in the city.

Fishin Guy

10/1/2018 4:08:06 PM
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After being through the states multiple times I no longer see the savings to be had. Milk when I saw it was $2.99US in the states. It is around the $4.75 here. So about 1.50 difference. I know I won't be rushing to the border to grab a jug of milk.

Jovial

10/1/2018 4:10:48 PM
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Dairyland

That's all I buy... it's definitely superior <:3

Mr.T.

10/1/2018 5:31:02 PM
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Canadain Dairy

A loaded question.People buy whats cheaper. There is a very good argument that the supply management system in Canada has only protected a small cartel of dairy, poultry, and egg farmers at the cost of us consumers. It simply drives up our prices. However, the majority of agricultural farmers, beef, pork, grain, etc, will benefit from more trade in products. Those farmers won't, and never have,received government subsidies, which the government says it will provide to the dairy farmers in this new agreement. So maybe they have to lower their prices but their pockets remain just as full. Perhaps some local beef/pork farmers will comment on this topic?

Abracadabra

10/1/2018 5:33:05 PM
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Beatrice

Is watery garbage that always goes bad before expiry! Dairyland all the way!!

Oddly enough

10/1/2018 5:38:59 PM
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Rules and regulations

Would not any milk brought into Canada have to conform to all the regulations we have in place? And we have free choice of our buying power - buy CANADIAN,

Spaghetti Monster

10/1/2018 5:39:22 PM
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Good points...

.....Mr T. I too would like to hear from local producers.  
 
I have no trouble buying “local” but can certainly understand the pressures of economy having had four sons to raise.  
 
There was some tough days when sovereignty and patriotism were simply not a factor in our shopping. Price was King.

MDG

10/1/2018 5:46:42 PM
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Best

  
Mr.T. said "A loaded question.People buy whats cheaper. There is a very good argument that the supply management system in Canada has only protected a small cartel of dairy, poultry, and egg farmers at the cost of us consumers. It simply drives up our prices. However, the majority of agricultural farmers, beef, pork, grain, etc, will benefit from more trade in products. Those farmers won't, and never have,received government subsidies, which the government says it will provide to the dairy farmers in this new agreement. So maybe they have to lower their prices but their pockets remain just as full. Perhaps some local beef/pork farmers will comment on this topic? "

post yet! There's absolutely no way that we should be paying what we are for dairy products in this country. Supply management keeps prices artificially high.  
Did anyone see the news at noon, with what had to be one of the biggest dairy farms on it? A massive machine driving along dropping feed for the cows then all the milking machines? And one of the politicians had the nerve to be on TV last week talking about the farmers "getting up every morning to milk the cows". Ha !!!

chrisanddave

10/1/2018 5:59:32 PM
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protecting dairy indusry

unfortunately this is a political issue. I believe we should be competitive but what do you do when unfair trade relations happen. this I think is the case with dairy in Canada. the issue is not the US dumping product, but the Canadian product being protected. it has everything to do with politics, unfortunately the wisest ones in the land disappoint again.

don brown

10/1/2018 7:22:13 PM
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Level playing field

I guess if we were talking soccer or football, a level playing field might be possible, but we are talking a dairy industry that stretches from the Gulf of Mexico to the Peace River area of northern Alberta.  
When you are talking not only geographic differences, but differences in tax systems as well as energy costs and even transportation differences.  
It might be great to champion the cost of cheaper costs of milk on the US, but one had to look at what happens in an industry where prices are free to move not only down when there is a surplus but also up if there is a shortage. Why would there ever be a shortage?  
Shortages do occur in the American dairy industry, it seems every few years there is a major cull in the dairy cow herd, overproduction leads to low prices which in turn makes it impossible to stay in production, cut the cow herd and create a shortage, yes it is supply and demand, but the production of milk is becoming something that is industrialized.  
One other thing one must keep in mind is the Canadian dollar does fluctuate, and something that is cheaper today may soon go up in price because of something like dollar appreciation.  
Just a personal opinion is that I don't mind having a supply management system that guarantees a supply of a product that is not exactly an expensive source of protein, while trying to protect those who produce it.  
 
Maybe we should of had an agreement similar to the lumber deal, no tariffs as long as the price remained above a certain price, but once the price dropped to a preset level tariff would come into effect.

Exhausted

10/1/2018 10:24:57 PM
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Milk taste

Beef from the states you can tell right by taste as they feed them different from here.  
 
I wonder if it applies to milk.  
 
I will buy Canadian.  
 
Just curious about the America’s milk.  
 
I have to say though Canadian dairy producers have had it licked down more than it should have.

Doug

10/1/2018 10:39:16 PM
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Choice

The new rules state USA product will have to labelled as such. I hope the label is a decent size so one does not need a magnifying glass to see. The Canadian dairy farmers have had a hand up for far too long. We still will as simple logistics like closeness to market for these perishables help them. In the future I can see though places like dairyland sourcing from close to the border US farms. So be it but to help our farmers the dairy farmers should mandate the packagers to use big made in Canada labels or a unique colour package. We need our choice of country for dairy products to be easy.

north of 54

10/1/2018 11:48:41 PM
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I also only buy Dairyland milk

as I was fed up with Beatrice and Lucerne milk spoiling several days before the "best before" date and I absolutely prefer the taste of Dairyland milk.

Triplethreat

10/2/2018 12:35:26 AM
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I

Remember seeing on TV as thousands of litres of milk were poured, dumped down the sewer because they couldn't get the price they wanted for it. Since then I haven't had much sympathy. Stores are not allowed to sell milk on special, if I'm not mistaken. Consumers got the dirty end of that arrangement.

Getty

10/2/2018 5:40:19 AM
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Don't know...

I doubt that the US will make an impact on milk, or that their even interested in milk. I believe they will be after our cheese. Cheese is expensive here, and super cheap in America. That's where they would be making better profits.  
 
I won't buy the America milk, but if it's cheese.. I will definitely will buy it.

Abracadabra

10/2/2018 6:09:17 AM
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milk on sale

Dairland is quite often 3.99 4 L at Shoppers Drug Mart! At coop though it’s $5.79 a good $1.00 or more than other brands they carry. Surprised to hear Walmart won’t carry it, wonder if it’s all dairyland products?

SzaSza

10/2/2018 6:29:45 AM
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Yea

All dairyland products are no longer carried by our Walmart.

Roger

10/2/2018 6:31:25 AM
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Beatrice is all I ever buy. Never had it go bad once in fact it does not even get close to the expiration date as I usually drink a 4 litre jug every 3-4 days. As for the watery content I buy whole milk and it actually seems real creamy when it comes to the last glass of milk in the jug.

MY World

10/2/2018 10:07:05 AM
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Wal Mart

  
SzaSza said "All dairyland products are no longer carried by our Walmart. "

Have you been to Wal Mart Lately? They carry dairyland products. I was there last night and bought dairyland milk and I see there is dairyland butter in their flyer.

Flutterby

10/2/2018 10:07:16 AM
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Flavor of beef &; milk

Sorry to say, beef producers are often feeding the same way here now too as far as corn fed. This practice is growing, as it is a cheaper feed that puts fat weight on the cows resulting in a heavier animal in less time. You can taste it right away. If you want better tasting meat, you can still find meat that isn't fed that way, but instead fed grass(summer)/hay(winter) and traditional grassy grains (not corn grain). This is why Canadian beef used to be superior. It was not fed as the US fed theirs.  
 
What you feed cows does affect the flavor of milk. Most dairies feed hay & a manmade supplement and keep their cows under a roof. The supplement increases the volume of milk, but the quality goes way down. The milk is super white instead of creamy colored, has no flavor, and gives a very consistent product dairy to dairy. There is next to no cream in the milk as everyone wants less fat. The consumers drive this type of product.  
 
If you compare that commercial milk to milk from a traditional cow that is outside and grazing between milkings (or in winter, eating hay), and has no supplement except for a touch of barley, you will have creamy colored, thicker milk, and loads of flavor. You have higher fat milk due to the cream.  
 
If that cow who is outside gets weeds, it makes the nastiest flavored milk you would ever taste. If she gets green grass,that sweetens it. The choice of grain fed can also affect the flavor & the cream content.  
 
I need to add here that holsteins do give less cream in their milk than jerseys, and there is lots of variation in between depending on the breed chosen. Even so, changing the diet of a holstein from commercial to traditional feed will still make a difference to the milk quality.

Flutterby

10/2/2018 10:15:21 AM
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Roger said "Beatrice is all I ever buy. Never had it go bad once in fact it does not even get close to the expiration date as I usually drink a 4 litre jug every 3-4 days. As for the watery content I buy whole milk and it actually seems real creamy when it comes to the last glass of milk in the jug. "

When our cows aren't milking, this is our choice as well for our family. It doesn't go bad as quickly for us as other brands.  
 
The watery content solution is certainly solved by buying whole milk.  
 
I have found that I can no longer drink any brands of processed milk as I can't digest it properly anymore. I guess that is okay, because the texture and flavor of any commercial milk is always disappointing to me anyway. You just can't beat the real thing.

freedom 55

10/2/2018 12:20:31 PM
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MY World

Dairyland is in Walmart until beginning of November. Saputo has lost the Walmart milk business across Canada - not sure about cheese & butter. A family member works at Saputo here in Brandon. As a result, layoff notices were given to several employees at Saputo last week. Saputo has to provide 2 months notice of a layoff. There will be layoffs across Canada.

MY World

10/2/2018 1:52:41 PM
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Freedom 55

Oh! Okay, did not know that. Thank you for the info.

Shebear

10/2/2018 5:23:15 PM
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hi

  
Flutterby said "Sorry to say, beef producers are often feeding the same way here now too as far as corn fed. This practice is growing, as it is a cheaper feed that puts fat weight on the cows resulting in a heavier animal in less time. You can taste it right away. If you want better tasting meat, you can still find meat that isn't fed that way, but instead fed grass(summer)/hay(winter) and traditional grassy grains (not corn grain). This is why Canadian beef used to be superior. It was not fed as the US fed theirs.  
 
What you feed cows does affect the flavor of milk. Most dairies feed hay & a manmade supplement and keep their cows under a roof. The supplement increases the volume of milk, but the quality goes way down. The milk is super white instead of creamy colored, has no flavor, and gives a very consistent product dairy to dairy. There is next to no cream in the milk as everyone wants less fat. The consumers drive this type of product.  
 
If you compare that commercial milk to milk from a traditional cow that is outside and grazing between milkings (or in winter, eating hay), and has no supplement except for a touch of barley, you will have creamy colored, thicker milk, and loads of flavor. You have higher fat milk due to the cream.  
 
If that cow who is outside gets weeds, it makes the nastiest flavored milk you would ever taste. If she gets green grass,that sweetens it. The choice of grain fed can also affect the flavor & the cream content.  
 
I need to add here that holsteins do give less cream in their milk than jerseys, and there is lots of variation in between depending on the breed chosen. Even so, changing the diet of a holstein from commercial to traditional feed will still make a difference to the milk quality. "

Your post was very informative, thank you for that I actually feel smarter after reading it lol The knowledge/experience farmers have is pretty cool.

myhandleistrain

10/2/2018 5:31:02 PM
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Mar 2016
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Consumers

Myself, when I shop for staples like eggs, butter and milk it comes down to price. I will always buy the cheapest. Quality is standard, or Canada wouldn't sell it regardless where it came from. Same as beef. Sorry Canadian farmers, the foreign beef and poultry I buy is as good, and cheaper per pound.

MrDobalina

10/2/2018 6:13:18 PM
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It’s not really going to affect the milk you buy

For one, retailers set the price not wholesalers...so just like the time farmers were selling cows for next to nothing during the mad cow scare, beef at the store was still the same price. Secondly essentially all of the 3.6% they can access will likely go to processing/industrial/bulk sales...pretty sure it will all be a “non event”.

jettafletcher

10/2/2018 8:57:04 PM
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milk

Local all the way!

SzaSza

10/2/2018 9:00:11 PM
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Sorry

I should have clarified that saputo lost the contract and it would begin November. My husband works at saputo so I know that Walmart will no longer carry dairyland milk.

 
 
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