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Michelle Budiwski

4/21/2011 4:21:05 PM
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The joy of being a landlord

There are always threads about rotten landlords but you know what? There are also rotten tenants. People wonder why there is a lack of rental units available - one of the major reasons is that it just isn't worth it to become a landlord. I am not talking about finances althoug there is that but the sheer stress of dealing with tenants.  
 
Don't pay your rent? No problem - you can be verbally abusive to your landlord when they call looking for it - nothing they can do about it.  
 
Get evicted? No problem - you don't actually have to move out when they say because there is nothing that they can do about it anyway - they will have to have a hearing and get an order of possession and in the meantime you get to stay. Of course you will eventually have to leave and owe for the time you were there, but you won't pay because you never paid before which started the whole process anyway.  
 
I am still shaking my head and thinking that the benefits of being a landlord and providing affordable housing aren't nearly worth the expense and frustrations.  

 
 
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Ithinkabouteverything

4/21/2011 4:26:29 PM
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Don't forget

When the tenant that it has taken you up to 3 months to evict (court,lawyers) and the police are finally escorting them off of the property the fun and expense you will be able to enjoy while you clean up and repair the property that they trashed before they finally left. How can landlords be protected from tenants like that.

Michelle Budiwski

4/21/2011 4:28:29 PM
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Oh yeah!

I firgot about the fun and joy and expense of those repairs. Because anyone who will fight to not get evicted will surely not be happy and clean the carpets before they leave.

BarneyRemple

4/21/2011 4:30:05 PM
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my landlord

and I just had a discuission about renting and it worked out great.He didn't want to rent anymore and neither did I so I just bought the place.work out great for both of us.

wendie

4/21/2011 4:35:05 PM
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some landlords gets screwed

I know with my experience, the tentants didn't pay rent, didn't pay the water bill, (which I eventually had to pay anyways)...and she used crazy GLUE to put her pictures on the walls! Like really... who does that!?  
 
I did take her to "court"..won...as she didn't show up anyways,.... but if she has no job, can't repay the money anyhow...doesn't matter!  
 
What ticked me is she was on SA...and I informed them she was moved out without notice and they still paid her for the month's rent!!! She moved out mid month... !!  
 
I guess I trusted her and her 5 kids... Heck I even gave her a ride to view the place in the beginning! No...didn't know her...should of been smart.  
 
Yes, it is hard to rent...but if your a landlord and have been screwed many times...your bound to have your valid concerns!

Ithinkabouteverything

4/21/2011 4:39:40 PM
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Is it possible

to ask to see the prospetive tenant's present residence before deciding wheather you want them as YOUR tenant. If their present place looks like a pig sty, they would probably make yours look the same in short order if you rented to them.

Michelle Budiwski

4/21/2011 4:40:42 PM
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I don't know

  
Ithinkabouteverything said "to ask to see the prospetive tenant's present residence before deciding wheather you want them as YOUR tenant. If their present place looks like a pig sty, they would probably make yours look the same in short order if you rented to them. "

I have never seen that done but it isn't a bad idea LOL

Ithinkabouteverything

4/21/2011 4:47:21 PM
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You might

also look at their car if they have one. If its full of garbage and in poor shape, they may also keep their homes the same way. This would not always be the case but when you are risking $$$$$$worth of an apartment, it may be worth taking into consideration. If they drive a brand new BMW you may not have to worry about rent or your property......(unless they got the money selling drugs)!!

mrj

4/21/2011 4:48:44 PM
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Oh Yes

I once had 2 revenue houses. I was never so happy as the day I sold them off. I have to admit I had some great tennants at times , But you know things were Real Bad when your happy to take a one or two month Loss in revenue for non payment of rent , for a Kazillion excuses and have to do repairs and still be happy to have see them go

Michelle Budiwski

4/21/2011 4:50:57 PM
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BMW

  
Ithinkabouteverything said "also look at their car if they have one. If its full of garbage and in poor shape, they may also keep their homes the same way. This would not always be the case but when you are risking $$$$$$worth of an apartment, it may be worth taking into consideration. If they drive a brand new BMW you may not have to worry about rent or your property......(unless they got the money selling drugs)!! "

At least they'd be able to pay their rent on time!  
 
:D

*enter name here*

4/21/2011 5:03:50 PM
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It's

disgusting how disrespectful people are to the places they are renting. People who trash a place should be black balled and NEVER be able to rent another place, with or without children. That's what you get! Unless you can prove you've changed.

HowieSport

4/21/2011 5:25:47 PM
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landlord

Its even more difficult when your not in the same area as the house....... I rent out a property in Ontario, so i can only check it out once or twice a year, last tennents where horrible, but the ones in now are great.

Michelle Budiwski

4/21/2011 5:36:06 PM
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Not always

  
FullMealDeal said "To be fair there are some pretty bad rentals (landlords)in brandon. Collect the rent and do ZERO repairs. If repairs have to be done it's like pulling teeth or they half ass them because it will cost them money.  
 
Like most "rentals" in brandon. Eventually they are in such a state of disrepair they sell them for a ridiculous price (not talking cheap). Maximizing their profits on a shoe string budget.  
 
Sure there are bad tenants, but just as many bad landlords too. When you rent out garbage expect garbage in return. If they invested money in properties you get different people.  
 
Lipstick on a pig rings true for many rentals in Brandon.  
 
Edited by FullMealDeal, 2011-04-21 17:35:39"

My last tenant in my partment trashed it. I replaced appliances, all new flooring, drywall, paint - the works. I am a great landlord.  
 
Not all deadbeat tenants are the result of slumlords.Some people are just assholes and some want everything for nothing.  
 
Edited by Butterflymbca, 2011-04-21 17:37:59

Ithinkabouteverything

4/21/2011 6:31:13 PM
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You can't always blame the landlord

  
FullMealDeal said "To be fair there are some pretty bad rentals (landlords)in brandon. Collect the rent and do ZERO repairs. If repairs have to be done it's like pulling teeth or they half ass them because it will cost them money.  
 
Like most "rentals" in brandon. Eventually they are in such a state of disrepair they sell them for a ridiculous price (not talking cheap). Maximizing their profits on a shoe string budget.  
 
Sure there are bad tenants, but just as many bad landlords too. When you rent out garbage expect garbage in return. If they invested money in properties you get different people.  
 
Lipstick on a pig rings true for many rentals in Brandon.  
 
Edited by FullMealDeal, 2011-04-21 17:35:39"

When we were looking to buy a house in Brandon a couple of years ago, we viewed several rental properties. Houses in not bad areas, in decent shape outside and some of them with renters still in residence. In some cases no matter what shape the house was actually in the renters were keeping their place clean and decent in others it was different. You can't blame the landlord for dirty clothes and junk a foot deep all over the basement floor, cat litter overflowing, filthy carpets and floors, holes kicked in walls and doors. If a renter respects their own things, they will do their best to care for them, when they don't care for what they own they rarely care for what they rent. A bad landlord is called a slumlord, what do you call a tenant who makes any place they live into a slum.

Sargon

4/21/2011 6:44:56 PM
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ah the joys, indeed

There are rogue tenants that make a career of n00b landlords, just as there are shark landlords that prey on virgin renters.  
 
In the years before I got rid of my residential rentals, I solved a lot of problems by fine-tuning the screening process.  
 
 
 

Oryx

4/21/2011 6:52:08 PM
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Agreed

  
FullMealDeal said "To be fair there are some pretty bad rentals (landlords)in brandon. Collect the rent and do ZERO repairs. If repairs have to be done it's like pulling teeth or they half ass them because it will cost them money.  
 
Like most "rentals" in brandon. Eventually they are in such a state of disrepair they sell them for a ridiculous price (not talking cheap). Maximizing their profits on a shoe string budget.  
 
Sure there are bad tenants, but just as many bad landlords too. When you rent out garbage expect garbage in return. If they invested money in properties you get different people.  
 
Lipstick on a pig rings true for many rentals in Brandon.  
 
Edited by FullMealDeal, 2011-04-21 17:35:39"

but this is not the topic being discussed. There are plenty of threads regarding crappy landlords etc.., but this one is about crappy tennants. There are equally bad landlords and tennants out there.

Michelle Budiwski

4/21/2011 7:24:04 PM
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Yep

  
Oryx said "
  
FullMealDeal said "To be fair there are some pretty bad rentals (landlords)in brandon. Collect the rent and do ZERO repairs. If repairs have to be done it's like pulling teeth or they half ass them because it will cost them money.  
 
Like most "rentals" in brandon. Eventually they are in such a state of disrepair they sell them for a ridiculous price (not talking cheap). Maximizing their profits on a shoe string budget.  
 
Sure there are bad tenants, but just as many bad landlords too. When you rent out garbage expect garbage in return. If they invested money in properties you get different people.  
 
Lipstick on a pig rings true for many rentals in Brandon.  
 
Edited by FullMealDeal, 2011-04-21 17:35:39"

but this is not the topic being discussed. There are plenty of threads regarding crappy landlords etc.., but this one is about crappy tennants. There are equally bad landlords and tennants out there. "

I agree. It works both ways but rarely do we hear from the landlords.

southwest

4/21/2011 7:37:05 PM
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..

i believe the tennants have a ton of rights compared to the landlord . correct me if i'm wrong . we looked at many apartments in brandon 10 years ago . my god , some of them were discracefull the way they were left when the previous tennant moved out . one place kitchen table was 2 feet deep in rotted food . the lady and her kids left several weeks before and told no one . needless to say it stunk . we didn't rent it but i felt bad for the landlord .

sammy

4/21/2011 8:36:27 PM
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...

i rented for 6 years. during that time i loved my landlord. he always let me pay half every two weeks and never complained if i was late bc he knew he would get it.(i usually had the money but would miss him at the office some days) the first few years he was great. if i called with something broken he fixed it. i moved into another apt from him still and then things started to fall apart in the bathroom. i lived with a hole in my bathroom ceiling and leaking pipes for MONTHS!! but i didnt say anything cuz i really liked him as a landlord and he never said anything if i forgot to come in every two weeks. eventually i moved out and when i asked for my damage deposit back he said no because the apt wasnt cleaned. my friend and i had cleaned the apt so i knew it had been clean. i was a little angry at the way he acted when i moved out but my damage deposit was very little so i didnt bother fighting with him. but now when ppl ask me how he is for a landlord i tell them about this. before this happened tho i always praised him and would have reccommended him to anyone.  
 
ps. i had heard from other tenants and ppl in the community that they didnt find him that good but i always said i had no problems with him and always said nice things about/for him. now i see where they are coming from!!  
 
i dont doubt that it is hard to find good tenants but its also getting harder to find good landlords. thank ur lucky stars if u have both!!

Opinionated

4/21/2011 8:50:34 PM
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References??

Landlords have the option of asking for and checking references to make sure they are getting a good tenant. If you require 3 good references, and they can't be provided, don't rent to that person. I'm not sure why more landlords don't do this to avoid problems?!? If more landlords did this, tennants would soon discover that they can't rent a place in this city without good refrences and they would become better tennants.  
 
It's too bad tennants don't have the option of asking landlords for references, maybe we could weed out all the scumy landlords in Brandon. (note - before anyone jumps on me, I'm only referring to the slumlords, not all the landlords in Brandon).

Lil V

4/21/2011 8:54:33 PM
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experience

I just moved out of my house and into a nice apartment. The Landlord is very nice, understanding, and actually tries to know about their tenants. I think that sure landlords can be stern but once you get to know them, the real them behind the business they're as flexible and nice as everyone else around you. Just give them a chance, I know I did and I'm happy with the landlord I got!

traveller

4/22/2011 9:14:35 AM
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:)

i agree being a landlord can suck!!  
 
and sometimes its not the landlord that want's to be a slumlord, the tenancies branch sets the rents and rent increases on some buildings. Then it's lots of red tape and then lots of rules to follow if they approve an above guild lines rent increase or rehabilitation scheme. this doesn't leave the landlords enough money to make the needed repairs and upkeep.  
 
It is not free to live in a house/apartment. They cost money in repairs, upkeep, taxes, cleaning, plus the time and cost of paper work, interviewing, cleaning the place after the tenants leave lost rent do to having to fix the place ect. lots of other details that tenants seem to think happen mysteriously lol  
 
i agree with the other poster, it was the happiest day when i sold all my rentals  
 
but the stories i could tell about what renters tried to pull, makes good party stories lol

Angels2012

4/22/2011 11:29:11 AM
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........

its a two way street people.. there are shitty landlords out there i know a few of them and yest there are shitty tenants out there too and i know some also...so eathier way they all need to grow up and stop thinking about them selves and pay the rent on time and get things fixed when needed..  

Doug

4/22/2011 11:40:58 AM
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crappy renters

I believe its one reason you see in some cities some houses left empty. While a empty house generates no revenue they also do not wear out or need major repairs or fix ups between renters or while they sit empty!.  
 
The land/house still gains in value with no headaches for the owner.

Oryx

4/22/2011 11:49:51 AM
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Yes and

  
Tinkerbell's Mama said "its a two way street people.. there are shitty landlords out there i know a few of them and yest there are shitty tenants out there too and i know some also...so eathier way they all need to grow up and stop thinking about them selves and pay the rent on time and get things fixed when needed..  
"

if you have any knowledge about the RTA, then you would see that tenants have a lot of "rights" and it is very hard for a landlord to kick them out if need be. It usually is a lenghtly process if the tenants wont leave even though they are destroying the place and living like pigs. It is very frustrating as a good landlord to put up with disgusting and rude tenants who dont give a crap about maintaining their rental.  
 
I have had the joy of visiting tons of rental properties in this town and Ill tell you that there are more disgusting tenants that destroy their rental than you realize. That includes, Manitoba Housing by the way.

Angels2012

4/22/2011 12:36:01 PM
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yes

  
Oryx said "
  
Tinkerbell's Mama said "its a two way street people.. there are shitty landlords out there i know a few of them and yest there are shitty tenants out there too and i know some also...so eathier way they all need to grow up and stop thinking about them selves and pay the rent on time and get things fixed when needed..  
"

if you have any knowledge about the RTA, then you would see that tenants have a lot of "rights" and it is very hard for a landlord to kick them out if need be. It usually is a lenghtly process if the tenants wont leave even though they are destroying the place and living like pigs. It is very frustrating as a good landlord to put up with disgusting and rude tenants who dont give a crap about maintaining their rental.  
 
I have had the joy of visiting tons of rental properties in this town and Ill tell you that there are more disgusting tenants that destroy their rental than you realize. That includes, Manitoba Housing by the way. "

i know that because i have seen alot.  
As i say its a two way street no matter what.  
 
and there are also alot of tenants out there that are good tenants and never put a hole in the wall and always kept their homes clean and their rent payed on time. and they some how still get screwed around alot.  
there are good landlords out there and they try to help the renters out when it comes to children and most landlords out there have a good heart out there until they get shit on and abused.  
 
So i do know my rights as a tenant also i know the landlords rights too.  
 
You must thinks most of us on Ebrandon are stupid.. Im not trying to be ignorant about it but is sure seems like it..  

Michelle Budiwski

4/22/2011 12:49:29 PM
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Rights?ts do landlords have? I am curious?

  
Tinkerbell's Mama said "
  
Oryx said "
  
Tinkerbell's Mama said "its a two way street people.. there are shitty landlords out there i know a few of them and yest there are shitty tenants out there too and i know some also...so eathier way they all need to grow up and stop thinking about them selves and pay the rent on time and get things fixed when needed..  
"

if you have any knowledge about the RTA, then you would see that tenants have a lot of "rights" and it is very hard for a landlord to kick them out if need be. It usually is a lenghtly process if the tenants wont leave even though they are destroying the place and living like pigs. It is very frustrating as a good landlord to put up with disgusting and rude tenants who dont give a crap about maintaining their rental.  
 
I have had the joy of visiting tons of rental properties in this town and Ill tell you that there are more disgusting tenants that destroy their rental than you realize. That includes, Manitoba Housing by the way. "

i know that because i have seen alot.  
As i say its a two way street no matter what.  
 
and there are also alot of tenants out there that are good tenants and never put a hole in the wall and always kept their homes clean and their rent payed on time. and they some how still get screwed around alot.  
there are good landlords out there and they try to help the renters out when it comes to children and most landlords out there have a good heart out there until they get shit on and abused.  
 
So i do know my rights as a tenant also i know the landlords rights too.  
 
You must thinks most of us on Ebrandon are stupid.. Im not trying to be ignorant about it but is sure seems like it..  
"

What rights do landlords have? I am curious as to what you think they are.  
 
As for someone mentioning references - ideally that wouold be a great thing but like job applications, people only give you the references that they know will be good. And people are hesitant to give someone a bad reference do to reprecussions and accusations of rights' violations and breaches of confidentiality.  
 
I used to think owning revenue property was a good thing and was always a goal of mine. Now, I can't wait to get rid of it - not even close to worth the expense and stress.

Oryx

4/22/2011 12:59:28 PM
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Tinkerbell..

I agree with you. However, this thread is about LANDLORDS and not tenants. There have been other discussions about "horrible landlords", just not one about horrible tenants, just trying to stick to the topic!

Angels2012

4/22/2011 1:04:47 PM
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Oryx

Thanks, yes im sticking with the topic. Thats where it's a two way street. I live in MB housing and my property manager is a great person she makes sure things are good for me and my family.  
 
Yes i feel bad for some of them landlords out there..

Michelle Budiwski

4/22/2011 1:19:47 PM
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Manitoba Housing

MH is completely different than privately owned rental units.  
 
I have invested and spent my own money on a place to let other people live. After the last tenants moved out, thousands more went into repairs and improvements. I have had to put up with complaints, 5am phone calls, name calling and verbal abuse by drunken tenants and ate or unpaid rent. I have had to listen to sob stories as to why they canm't pay for the roof over their heads or why they have caused damage they can neither repair or pay to have repaired.  
 
Legally I can charge no more than 1/2 a month's rent for damage deposit - in the first week, I had a picture window smashed. yes I can go after them for the cost of the repair, but they have no money - so it is another cost out of my pocket and for what?? the honor of dealing with someone else's crap? Of figting to collect rent that barley covers taxes and utilities for the place they live in? And when I finally can evict them, I have to fight to actually get them out giving up more time and money.  
 
yes there are good tenants out there but the risk of ending up with a bad one - both the financial and stress costs are one major reason people don't want to rent anymore and why developers build condos instead of apartments.  
 
Everyone wants to blame the landlords and developers for a lack of affordable housing, but no one wantst o step up and look at themselves. Anyone you ask will tell you they are awesome tenants but then I ask you where the horror stories of neighbors and tenants come from if everyone is so damn perfect and treats their rental units with respect?

 
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