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~Tammy~

3/21/2012 4:11:44 PM
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There isnt enough punishment other then death!

I havent been watching the news lately and figured seeing as I had some spare time I would look up the ongoing details of the Tori Stafford case. Sadly some things cant be unseen.  
 
The things I read are horrendous! I cant fathom what makes someone's head this twisted!  
 
Death is the only punishment suitable IMO. Its time Canada do something about these people. Stop the pussyfooting, coddling, waste of taxpayers dollars and just stick a needle in them!

 
 
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Lenigod

3/21/2012 4:19:06 PM
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You honestly want the government of Canada to literally kill it's own people because you think what they have done is horrible.  
 
By your own admission, you think he is twisted in the head, a mentally ill individual, and yet you want him executed.  
 
What a horrible thing to say.

~Tammy~

3/21/2012 4:21:29 PM
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::lk

Absofrickenlutely!!!  
 
 
Edited by ~Tammy~, 2012-03-21 16:22:22

Degenerate108

3/21/2012 4:30:32 PM
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morally speaking, how does us killing them make us any better?

~Tammy~

3/21/2012 4:33:42 PM
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degenerate108 said "morally speaking, how does us killing them make us any better? "

That question doesnt even make sense....  
 
Unless you can associate yourself with a child rapist and murderer that is. I myself know that I am a better person. I know what they did was wrong. That automatically makes me better!  
 

Degenerate108

3/21/2012 4:37:07 PM
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~Tammy~ said "
  
degenerate108 said "morally speaking, how does us killing them make us any better? "

That question doesnt even make sense....  
 
Unless you can associate yourself with a child rapist and murderer that is. I myself know that I am a better person. I know what they did was wrong. That automatically makes me better!  
 
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It makes perfect sense if you aren't a holier than thou kind of person. Killing anyone is wrong, by killing for revenge we've lowered ourselves to their level. But go ahead. Be angry.

ToasterovenX

3/21/2012 4:41:31 PM
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Sigh

There is a reason why Canada doesn't kill, it is the same reason why the U.S. does and their country is full of crime and violence.  
There is NEVER an excuse to kill.  
 
Edited by ToasterovenX, 2012-03-21 16:42:01

~Tammy~

3/21/2012 4:42:31 PM
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;po

Oh yeah, I will be angry. At least I know Im angry for the right reasons. Child killers dont deserve to live. They gave that right up when they chose to harm the innocent.  
 
And just curious, would you speak in the same manner standing in front of that little girls parents? They who have sat in that courtroom and listened to the torture their daughter went through?  
I think maybe not eh....

Bergy

3/21/2012 4:50:13 PM
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atta girl

i'm with you on this tammy! Graham james is never going to rehab. Maybe the answer is to put guys like him in the bleeding hearts neighborhood and see how they like it. Having a child molester around their children would about do it.

Lenigod

3/21/2012 4:51:10 PM
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No one is saying he shouldn't be punished.

  
~Tammy~ said "Oh yeah, I will be angry. At least I know Im angry for the right reasons. Child killers dont deserve to live. They gave that right up when they chose to harm the innocent.  
 
And just curious, would you speak in the same manner standing in front of that little girls parents? They who have sat in that courtroom and listened to the torture their daughter went through?  
I think maybe not eh.... "

Punishment should be dealt, obviously, very few if any people are going to argue with that. And any sane and kind person, in front of the parents who lost their child to a murderer, would console them. They wouldn't tell them what they think should happen to the accused, they would console them.  
 
But in what way would society gain, from killing a one of its own? To what end to you prematurely shut out ones life? What would that serve you as an individual who's never met the man? Nothing. What would that serve the parents of the child, what would they get out of that? I don't think very much.  
 
There is no case that I can think of where a crime punishable by the penalty of death is acceptable. None.

Degenerate108

3/21/2012 4:53:00 PM
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~Tammy~ said "Oh yeah, I will be angry. At least I know Im angry for the right reasons. Child killers dont deserve to live. They gave that right up when they chose to harm the innocent.  
 
And just curious, would you speak in the same manner standing in front of that little girls parents? They who have sat in that courtroom and listened to the torture their daughter went through?  
I think maybe not eh.... "

"Hurr durr i'm a horse, would you say that to the girls parents?"  
No i wouldn't, for one thing i know that grief can do funny things to people and as such i wouldn't say anything at all, i don't know them and in a couple of months you won't give a shit about their plight.  
But i also wouldn't screaming from the rafters about the need to kill every wrong doer either. There's a time and place to state one's opinions on the matter of capital punishment and as tactless as you seem to be i am not.  
You say they gave up the right to live when they harm the innocent, than what gives you the right to kill them? one killer is bad but killer number two is good? what?  
You want capital punishment, move to Texas.

Daphne

3/21/2012 4:53:56 PM
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Death Penalty

I think it is barbaric. I always think of the convicted murderers who spent decades in prison only to eventually be found innocent and released. I'm sure they are thankful Canada doesn't have the death penalty.

hermione

3/21/2012 5:05:12 PM
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degenerate108 said "
  
~Tammy~ said "Oh yeah, I will be angry. At least I know Im angry for the right reasons. Child killers dont deserve to live. They gave that right up when they chose to harm the innocent.  
 
And just curious, would you speak in the same manner standing in front of that little girls parents? They who have sat in that courtroom and listened to the torture their daughter went through?  
I think maybe not eh.... "

"Hurr durr i'm a horse, would you say that to the girls parents?"  
No i wouldn't, for one thing i know that grief can do funny things to people and as such i wouldn't say anything at all, i don't know them and in a couple of months you won't give a shit about their plight.  
But i also wouldn't screaming from the rafters about the need to kill every wrong doer either. There's a time and place to state one's opinions on the matter of capital punishment and as tactless as you seem to be i am not.  
You say they gave up the right to live when they harm the innocent, than what gives you the right to kill them? one killer is bad but killer number two is good? what?  
You want capital punishment, move to Texas. "

don't believe in the death penalty, but wow Degenerate, you are cold.

Degenerate108

3/21/2012 5:12:49 PM
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hermione said "
  
degenerate108 said "
  
~Tammy~ said "Oh yeah, I will be angry. At least I know Im angry for the right reasons. Child killers dont deserve to live. They gave that right up when they chose to harm the innocent.  
 
And just curious, would you speak in the same manner standing in front of that little girls parents? They who have sat in that courtroom and listened to the torture their daughter went through?  
I think maybe not eh.... "

"Hurr durr i'm a horse, would you say that to the girls parents?"  
No i wouldn't, for one thing i know that grief can do funny things to people and as such i wouldn't say anything at all, i don't know them and in a couple of months you won't give a shit about their plight.  
But i also wouldn't screaming from the rafters about the need to kill every wrong doer either. There's a time and place to state one's opinions on the matter of capital punishment and as tactless as you seem to be i am not.  
You say they gave up the right to live when they harm the innocent, than what gives you the right to kill them? one killer is bad but killer number two is good? what?  
You want capital punishment, move to Texas. "

don't believe in the death penalty, but wow Degenerate, you are cold. "

What's cold about it? My not wanting to say anything to the parents? I'm not that type of person, i live by my gut, if i had gone through a traumatic experience like that, the last thing i'd want is strangers telling me how much they feel for me. I'm a private person when it comes to that kind of thing, so sue me if that seems cold. I didn't say i didn't feel for them.

crownyboy

3/21/2012 5:14:04 PM
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the one thing

that capital punishment does do however is eliminate any repeat or 3peat... offenders!!

COWBOY

3/21/2012 5:16:17 PM
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Daphne said "I think it is barbaric. I always think of the convicted murderers who spent decades in prison only to eventually be found innocent and released. I'm sure they are thankful Canada doesn't have the death penalty. "

I somewhat agree with You but sometimes I think these criminals just got a better LAWYER second time round..!! Criminals like Pictin, Olsen etc. I wouldn't have any problem with the Death Penalty..!!

DaleMorgan

3/21/2012 5:25:19 PM
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ok

so where do you draw the line on crimes you get killed for and ones you dont? when does a crime become bad enough to kill over?...beating a child leads to years and years of mental abuse do we kill them as well? I personaly believe by giving him life without parole is a better option as the criminals in jail will take care of him beatings when ever they can ...rape him when they can.....death is the easy way out for him and just makes us take a life needlessly... but i will ask again Tammy where do we draw the line? From what crime up is death penalty the right way to go?

mitibimaab

3/21/2012 5:28:21 PM
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I used to believe in capital punishment..but now I just wish that these heinous individuals would suffer instead. Jails should not have tv's, chef cooked meals, doctors, free meds and workout rooms. They should be fed the basics (bread, water & porridge), unless their families pay extra for meals. No free education, should have to perform hard labour and no one kept in 'protective custody'.

dasher

3/21/2012 5:32:52 PM
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I cannot

support the death penalty. There was a reason it was abolished in 1962. Btw tens if not hundreds of men in the USA were on death row and have been exonerated through DNA and other evidence. Let a 1,000 gulity go freee to save one innocent man. forgot who said that.  
besides lock them 24/7 is more punishment than being put to sleep IMHO

~Tammy~

3/21/2012 5:41:45 PM
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likj

  
dasher said "support the death penalty. There was a reason it was abolished in 1962. Btw tens if not hundreds of men in the USA were on death row and have been exonerated through DNA and other evidence. Let a 1,000 gulity go freee to save one innocent man. forgot who said that.  
besides lock them 24/7 is more punishment than being put to sleep IMHO "

Yes your right. DNA HAS exonerated people so therefore left without a doubt they were innocent. Therefore when DNA shows that they WERE the ones who committed the crime, there is no exoneration! Save tax dollars and stick em!  
 
As for someones other question, as too which die and which dont. I stated earlier my strong opinion on child killers and rapists! Lets start there!

skidooboy

3/21/2012 5:42:05 PM
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Bleeding hearts

It both sickens and saddens me when I come on here and see the rightwing talk radio rhetoric being repeated as fact ad-nauseum.  
 
study after study after study, history and statistics, anecdotal evidence, post arrest interviews etc. all show that death penalty and extreme scentencing are of zero value as deterents. there is no argument about that. if you don't agree then you are in disagreement with reality and need professional help.  
 
Prison is a revenge factory nothing more. You committed x crime and you will be punished for it by serving x years in prison. done.  
 
a long sentence is never going to affect a person's descision to commit a rape or murder or theft. a person will or won't steal depending on who they are and what circumstance they are in. that is all. noone ever says" boy i'd rape that child if it wasn't against the law". they either will or they won't and the ppunishment isn't even considered.  
 
 
I too however think that the system is to soft on peopl who comit crimes of rape, molestation, violence, etc. especially where children are concerned. stick them in prison, a hard prison where they are forced to live like monks with no possesion, no comfort, no luxuries. Make it for Life(and I mean til death). that is my suggestion.  
 
Death however is a step to far.  
Vengful murder, by a society as with an individualperson should be against the law.  
 
am I a bleeding heart? because I see the difference between justice and vengance? most of theese people were abused themselves, or have chemical imbalances how will killing them make thier lives worse or yours better?.  
 
And for all you rage and threat, I doubt any one of you would ever pull the trigger or push the button.

Skinny Moon

3/21/2012 6:27:08 PM
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there is not enough punishment

Finally a gal who has it right. When you hear the details on how this poor little girl was brutally murdered may be you all will change your tunes.Only a truly evil person could do this and for all you bleeding hearts I tell you what. Lets just let it go, free the bastard and we will wait till he comes to your house which he will eventually. Mental illnes? Are you kidding me? Its called a choice. A choice to kill in the most violent way possible. Do you know!!!! what God will do with this guy? Wake the f up!!!

Microsys

3/21/2012 6:50:01 PM
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This is why

I am an advocate for surgical punishment...be it castration for sex offenses ..or putting them in a wheel chair or bed if they use their power to harm another..probably never happen

~Tammy~

3/21/2012 6:52:44 PM
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/:l

  
Microsys said "I am an advocate for surgical punishment...be it castration for sex offenses ..or putting them in a wheel chair or bed if they use their power to harm another..probably never happen "

I actually read somewhere that taking those measures causes the offender to act out in an even more violent manner the next time they offend.  
Not sure if that study was accurate but it kinda makes sense.

truckergirl

3/21/2012 7:03:36 PM
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Not enough

Killing someone who has done such a horrible thing is not enough punishment. They deserve the torture of being alive.

dasher

3/21/2012 7:03:43 PM
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I won`t change my tune

  
eddiek said "Finally a gal who has it right. When you hear the details on how this poor little girl was brutally murdered may be you all will change your tunes.Only a truly evil person could do this and for all you bleeding hearts I tell you what. Lets just let it go, free the bastard and we will wait till he comes to your house which he will eventually. Mental illnes? Are you kidding me? Its called a choice. A choice to kill in the most violent way possible. Do you know!!!! what God will do with this guy? Wake the f up!!! "

The death penalty has no place in our modern society. It is not a Deterrence . It would be killing out of vengance. Might as well burn them at the stake eh?

Torque

3/21/2012 7:08:06 PM
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skidooboy said "It both sickens and saddens me when I come on here and see the rightwing talk radio rhetoric being repeated as fact ad-nauseum.  
 
study after study after study, history and statistics, anecdotal evidence, post arrest interviews etc. all show that death penalty and extreme scentencing are of zero value as deterents. there is no argument about that. if you don't agree then you are in disagreement with reality and need professional help.  
 
Prison is a revenge factory nothing more. You committed x crime and you will be punished for it by serving x years in prison. done.  
 
a long sentence is never going to affect a person's descision to commit a rape or murder or theft. a person will or won't steal depending on who they are and what circumstance they are in. that is all. noone ever says" boy i'd rape that child if it wasn't against the law". they either will or they won't and the ppunishment isn't even considered.  
 
 
I too however think that the system is to soft on peopl who comit crimes of rape, molestation, violence, etc. especially where children are concerned. stick them in prison, a hard prison where they are forced to live like monks with no possesion, no comfort, no luxuries. Make it for Life(and I mean til death). that is my suggestion.  
 
Death however is a step to far.  
Vengful murder, by a society as with an individualperson should be against the law.  
 
am I a bleeding heart? because I see the difference between justice and vengance? most of theese people were abused themselves, or have chemical imbalances how will killing them make thier lives worse or yours better?.  
 
And for all you rage and threat, I doubt any one of you would ever pull the trigger or push the button. "

Well said.  
 
Noone has ever made a convincing rational case for the death penalty.  
 
The best it's ever been has been an emotionally fueled lust for vengeance.  
 

slurpeegirl

3/21/2012 7:27:40 PM
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i would be more than happy

  
skidooboy said "It both sickens and saddens me when I come on here and see the rightwing talk radio rhetoric being repeated as fact ad-nauseum.  
 
study after study after study, history and statistics, anecdotal evidence, post arrest interviews etc. all show that death penalty and extreme scentencing are of zero value as deterents. there is no argument about that. if you don't agree then you are in disagreement with reality and need professional help.  
 
Prison is a revenge factory nothing more. You committed x crime and you will be punished for it by serving x years in prison. done.  
 
a long sentence is never going to affect a person's descision to commit a rape or murder or theft. a person will or won't steal depending on who they are and what circumstance they are in. that is all. noone ever says" boy i'd rape that child if it wasn't against the law". they either will or they won't and the ppunishment isn't even considered.  
 
 
I too however think that the system is to soft on peopl who comit crimes of rape, molestation, violence, etc. especially where children are concerned. stick them in prison, a hard prison where they are forced to live like monks with no possesion, no comfort, no luxuries. Make it for Life(and I mean til death). that is my suggestion.  
 
Death however is a step to far.  
Vengful murder, by a society as with an individualperson should be against the law.  
 
am I a bleeding heart? because I see the difference between justice and vengance? most of theese people were abused themselves, or have chemical imbalances how will killing them make thier lives worse or yours better?.  
 
And for all you rage and threat, I doubt any one of you would ever pull the trigger or push the button. "

to push the button or pull the trigger of a child rapist or similarly pathetic individual. i would just like an hour or so alone with then before i did it.  
 
when my kids come home with text books from school that are so old, they have MY name in them, that sucks. i'd rather see our tax dollars go to education than to be housing and feeding freaks that don't deserve to be considered human.  
 

NA

3/21/2012 7:33:57 PM
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Suffer in prison for life?

They get 3 meals a day, roof over their heads, heat and clean water, laundry done for them, HEALTH CARE, dental care, vision care! Extravagant extras if their diabetic like extra meals! Security 24/7/365!!! Transfer to nicer diggs if their lawyer demands it and it gets granted. Transportation to/from court, daily earnings for work they do, free education & Counselling and prescribed medication!!!  
 
IS THAT CALLED SUFFERING??? and your taxes pay for all this!!  
 
Would a LIFE SENTANCE matter if the CANADIAN government one day decided: Sorry taxpayers we have to remove CPP OLD AGE PENSION GST CHILD TAX BENEFIT AND EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE OVER 500 000 RAPIST AND CHILD KILLERS TO TAKE CARE OF TIL THEY DIE; But by all means keep working your ass off for us, THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT!!!  
 

kerry auriat

3/21/2012 7:42:10 PM
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I see little benefit

To all concerned by keeping serial killers like Bernardo and Pickton alive. They are both relatively young, will never again walk free, and their crimes were so abhorrent that I believe they deserve the ultimate penalty.  
The death penalty should only be used in the most heinous cases. Even though, we must ensure that there can be no doubt of the criminal's guilt.  
In the case of Pickton, Russell Williams, and Paul Bernardo, I do not believe they deserve to walk the earth.

 
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