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ShannonR

8/10/2012 8:03:43 AM
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I am following the rules of the road!

I am a young woman biking to work from 6th St. East to BU every morning.  
 
I am wearing a helmet.  
I am signalling my turns and lane changes.  
I am riding in the appropriate lane, near the right-hand side as often as I can, and in the right direction.  
I wait at intersections just like everyone else.  
I keep off the sidewalks where it is illegal to ride a bike.  
 
I am following all the rules of the road, so cars, trucks and vans... will you please stop honking your horn at me?  
 
I have the same rights as you do and it's your responsibility to just slow down and move over to go around me.  
 
Sincerely,  
 
Shannon

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Deposit.Change

8/10/2012 8:29:23 AM
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Oy!

I feel your pain, only I commute rush hour in Winnipeg. While we might have a better infrastructure with more bike lanes and sharrows, I really don't feel they make much of a difference if drivers can't have a little patience and wait for a safe opportunity to pass.  
 
I've been told stories of cyclists that carry their U lock on their handlebars and are not afraid to swing it because they are frustrated with drivers passing too close and putting their lives in danger. While I don't necessarily agree with retaliation, I've been put in a couple situations where I've been within inches of being mowed over. It's terrifying, and sadly it's 100% avoidable.  
 
What drivers fail to understand is that it is extremely unsafe for cyclists to "hug the curb" -- MPI recommends that you ride approximately 1 metre from the curb to avoid storm drains and debris that frequently collects at the road's edge.  
 
Stay safe out there, Shannon!

BigDaddy 2

8/10/2012 8:31:38 AM
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Mb is behind

times in the whole sharing the road with bikes! For some reason it is accepted to share the road with everything else but bikes. But in saying this, I rode everywhere as a youth in Victoria and it is very accepted out there. I used to get honked at a few times and thought I was doing something wrong. I got pissed off one day and told the guy he was #1 and at the next stop light he rolled down the window and said sorry, he just wanted to warn me he was coming by. It was a little weird but he was an elderly man, just looking out for my safety. Just keep following the rules of the road and 1 year Manitoba might wake up and realize bikes are part of the road too.

Deposit.Change

8/10/2012 8:38:38 AM
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That being said...

...there are morons out there that give all cyclists a bad name. I'm a beginner when it comes to commuting to work via bike, however I make a conscious effort to not do anything that would normally irritate me as a driver.  
 
For example, the worst irritant as a driver in rush hour is to wait to pass a cyclist and give them their lane in the process, just to have him scoot by while we're stopped at a red light and have to start the passing process all over again.  
 
I make sure to stop in turn with the vehicles in my lane, not squeeze up the right hand side to the stop line.

Acorn

8/10/2012 9:23:08 AM
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...

Just keep on doing what you are doing. The more people ride on the road the more traffic will get used to it. Good Luck making room for those of us still getting used to biking around the city.

Black Star

8/10/2012 10:06:46 AM
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so your following the rules

which is great but a question is do you get off your bike and walk across at cross walks. just asking my pet peeve is the people who ride across cross walks or at intersections. i would also advise riding on side streets rather than main roads way safer.  

BigDaddy 2

8/10/2012 10:26:21 AM
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If you read

  
Black Star said "which is great but a question is do you get off your bike and walk across at cross walks. just asking my pet peeve is the people who ride across cross walks or at intersections. i would also advise riding on side streets rather than main roads way safer.  
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the op you would see that they are riding with traffic which means you would never cross at a cross walk or would walk your bike at an intersection. Do you push your car across a cross walk? Bikes are supposed to ride with traffic which means they will be in the flow of traffic, moving with traffic. So when they come to a cross walk all they would have to do is stop if there is someone walking across it.  
Why is it that bikes have to use side streets? I'm not attacking you here but come on now, why in the world should it take a person on a bike 30 minutes to get to somewhere that should only take 15 because they are zig zagging all over the side streets to avoid irresponible drivers that are not following the rules of the road? Plus if you expect bikers to use the side streets, that is where you are going to get them using crosswalks because they are tired of waiting for a break in traffic to cross the road. If the people of Manitoba would learn to share the road with cyclist then all would be good & more people would ride.

traveller

8/10/2012 10:32:43 AM
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i wouldn't worry about it, your allowed to be there, but if possible use as many side streets as you can, safer and less annoying imo

Black Star

8/10/2012 10:45:53 AM
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well

  
BigDaddy 2 said "
  
Black Star said "which is great but a question is do you get off your bike and walk across at cross walks. just asking my pet peeve is the people who ride across cross walks or at intersections. i would also advise riding on side streets rather than main roads way safer.  
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the op you would see that they are riding with traffic which means you would never cross at a cross walk or would walk your bike at an intersection. Do you push your car across a cross walk? Bikes are supposed to ride with traffic which means they will be in the flow of traffic, moving with traffic. So when they come to a cross walk all they would have to do is stop if there is someone walking across it.  
Why is it that bikes have to use side streets? I'm not attacking you here but come on now, why in the world should it take a person on a bike 30 minutes to get to somewhere that should only take 15 because they are zig zagging all over the side streets to avoid irresponible drivers that are not following the rules of the road? Plus if you expect bikers to use the side streets, that is where you are going to get them using crosswalks because they are tired of waiting for a break in traffic to cross the road. If the people of Manitoba would learn to share the road with cyclist then all would be good & more people would ride. "

lets see who wins the battle a car or bike and just so that your aware when you get to an intersection the safe practice is to get off the bike and push it across then get back on and ride (also this was once and still maybe the rule of the road). roads are built for cars bike baths are built for bikes you do not see people driving a car down the bike path. but bigdaddy2 go ahead and argue with a car on your bike see the following link http://www.ncpc.org/topics/by-audience/parents/bicycle-safety/  
 
Edited by Black Star, 2012-08-10 10:52:30

BigDaddy 2

8/10/2012 11:00:53 AM
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There is nothing to argue

the rules for bikes are the same as a car. Your logic means that a car should yield to a truck or semi and wait for them to do whatever they want cause a car wont win! Give your head a shake. Bikes are to be on the road riding in/with traffic that is the law. If I got off my bike walked across an intersection then got back on my bike and rejoined the traffic flow I would be a bigger risk/hazard to everyone. But if you would use some common sense and respect the fact that the cyclists are to be riding with and in the flow of traffic all would be good and there would be no risk at all or at least no more risk then any other vehicle would get on the roads. If a bike path is there then obviously this is a stupid argument and has no relevance as then yes they would have to get off their bikes and walk across. The way I took the op was they are riding with traffic like they are supposed to not on a bike path. You are arguing a whole different topic as a bike path is not in the flow of traffic, unless it is part of the road (not sidewalk system). If it is right on the shoulder of the road the same rules apply as the cars, they ride across intersections and are no different then a bus lane.  
It is drivers like you with the "lets see you argue with a car and see who wins" attitude that makes our roads unsafe for EVERYONE! And actually you lose cause I or my family sues you and I win while you are paying me or my family for NOT following the rules/laws of the road.

Doug

8/10/2012 11:17:31 AM
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Shannon rShorts may be cool

Good for you. It seems like there are many idiots in the crowd on both sidesi. Yesterday I thought about it to late I heard a biker coming on the sidewalk from behind pretty fast.  
 
I caught him when I glanced back-- He missed me by inches. He was doing a pretty good pace. Too fast and head phones on. I may coat hang the next one. Pretend to stretch ya know. I have no problems with the sidewalk share at times. There is a true need at times. In this case no and the city should start writing those tickets like Wpg is. Their fine is 111.00.  
 
125.00 plus a demerit sounds about right in Brandon. For those under age-- slap the fine on the parents.  
 
It should be 125 dollar fine for the lazy who do not get off their bikes at crosswalks. Are you a biker or a pedestrian??  
 
I also feel cars and .trucks should have to give bikes on the road at least a metre room to spare. Last and least-- those two wheel scooters. Those shorts may be cool but when you lay your bike down due to loose gravel etc you will wish you had jeans on.

Deposit.Change

8/10/2012 11:42:31 AM
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You're kidding, right?

  
Black Star said "
  
BigDaddy 2 said "
  
Black Star said "which is great but a question is do you get off your bike and walk across at cross walks. just asking my pet peeve is the people who ride across cross walks or at intersections. i would also advise riding on side streets rather than main roads way safer.  
"

the op you would see that they are riding with traffic which means you would never cross at a cross walk or would walk your bike at an intersection. Do you push your car across a cross walk? Bikes are supposed to ride with traffic which means they will be in the flow of traffic, moving with traffic. So when they come to a cross walk all they would have to do is stop if there is someone walking across it.  
Why is it that bikes have to use side streets? I'm not attacking you here but come on now, why in the world should it take a person on a bike 30 minutes to get to somewhere that should only take 15 because they are zig zagging all over the side streets to avoid irresponible drivers that are not following the rules of the road? Plus if you expect bikers to use the side streets, that is where you are going to get them using crosswalks because they are tired of waiting for a break in traffic to cross the road. If the people of Manitoba would learn to share the road with cyclist then all would be good & more people would ride. "

lets see who wins the battle a car or bike and just so that your aware when you get to an intersection the safe practice is to get off the bike and push it across then get back on and ride (also this was once and still maybe the rule of the road). roads are built for cars bike baths are built for bikes you do not see people driving a car down the bike path. but bigdaddy2 go ahead and argue with a car on your bike see the following link http://www.ncpc.org/topics/by-audience/parents/bicycle-safety/  
 
Edited by Black Star, 2012-08-10 10:52:30"

The link you provided was for parents concerning bicycle safety for CHILDREN, not for cyclists who commute at a much higher rate of speed with and among traffic.  
 
Children do not, for the most part, ride in the street in heavy traffic. They are taught to dismount when crossing the street because their visibility is low and chances of accidents are much higher at intersections. Most stop lines are past or in line with where the sidewalk crosses the street - by riding out without stopping and dismounting there's a high chance of injury.  
 
When it comes to riding a bike at a much higher rate of speed (I average 20-30km/hr on a road bike), it would be extremely dangerous and illegal for me to stop at a green light and dismount to 'cross the street'.  
 
Give your head a shake.

voiceofthepeople

8/10/2012 11:54:47 AM
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If you dont feel safe

and there isnt room, ride on the sidewalk, your safety is way more important. Respect the people walking on the sidewalk, give them lots of room, slow down, go on the grass. Far too many people risk life and limb on a bike. Like on victoria avenue, worst place to be on a bike, use the sidewalk, but be respectful. It is the actions of a few people that wizz by walkers that have made this onsafe situation and forcing people to go onto unsafe streets during rush hour, because of draconian laws. If i go biking with my kids and we have to be on a major thoroughfare for a bit we are on the sidewalk. No way am i having my 8 and 11 year old cycling on the road with people texting etc. Might is right, so safety first, forget the rules of the road if you are in a bad area, use the sidewalk respectfully. Remeber folks, keep the rubber side down.

LVXlaw9

8/10/2012 2:14:29 PM
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Unjust laws....

I sympathize as well. It seems that bikers get no respect or consideration from much of anyone. I do not understand what logic compells the govt/courts/cops to enforce laws telling bicyclists to stay off sidealks, I means eriously! It is not safe on the roads, to think someone riding their bike at a slow-moderate speed on the sidewalk and possibly accidentally getting itno an accident with a pedestrian; I mean, come on! Bikes have better and fasrter breaks that cars/auotmobiles /trucks/etc usually, and if one cannot stop their bike quick enough and accidentally hits another person..it usually very minor at worst, but even gettign hit by a slow automobile is much more harmful. It makes no sense that bikes are compared to cars, it is unuust and unreasonable. Most of these laws arer absurd, unjust,hypocritical; incouding laws regarding being FORCED BY LAW to wear a helmet/etc on your bike. Seriously? If I get in an accident on my bike, I'm only hurting myself...a little. It's the individuals right to decide what to do with their own bodies, but the law does'nt seem to respect this principle..corrupt and oppresive as it is. This is something, one of those many unjust and absurd laws that enlightened, liberty loving and justice loving reaosnable enlightened people IMO have a moral duty to challenge and disobey unjust, stupic, irrational laws.  
 
Don't ever expect to see me wearing a helmet/etc in hot summer weather on my bike. Arrest me if you wish to enforce injustice and stupidity oh police and courts, but I, like others who also utilize reason and empathy see how unjust and stupid many of these laws are, how hypocritical they are and we are tired of being legally forced to obey absurd and unjust laws that defy reason and freedom.  
 
Motorists, please respect bikers on the road if they are on it, pedestrians too. Bikers respect drivers and pedestrians as well. Evereyone just be careful and considerate, that's the only law needed. That's all we need, not these stupid unjust laws, this oppression and tyranny!  
 
I have noticed that drivers tend to be very disrespectful more of than not. They are getting where they are going quickly, but refuse to stop for pedestrians and bicyclists, how often I am at a intersection or cross walk and have to wait and wait for any cars to stop for me{or other people}, we are getting where we're going slower, give us a break will ya? To my understanding, pededtrians always have the rigth of way by law where there are no lights or signs indicating otherwise{am I correct?}...especially  
at crosswalks{where far to often drivers are seriously inconsiderate to them and to bikers}. On the other hand, bikers and pedestrians should use common sense as well and not cross in the middle of the road...unless there uis zero or near zero traffic for at least a couple blocks or more...and no one has a rational right to look down upon or legally threatan citizens who do so...crossing middle road or on red light is harmless if there is little to no traffic, PERIOD!  
 
So, we all just need to utse reaosn and consideration of others, that's ALL. ;)  
 
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Triplethreat

8/10/2012 2:50:36 PM
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Cyclists...

  
Black Star said "which is great but a question is do you get off your bike and walk across at cross walks. just asking my pet peeve is the people who ride across cross walks or at intersections. i would also advise riding on side streets rather than main roads way safer.  
"

are required by law to get off and walk their bikes across at crosswalks but they have a right to ride across at intersections if they stay on the street. They legally have to obey stop signs and red lights (traffic signals) same as motorists. Too many of them either don't know the law or choose to break it.

Marpet

8/10/2012 4:08:28 PM
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To the girl who got hit in front of Burger King, today...

...maybe this should be another post but thought it fit well here.  
 
1. Put on a helmet. Your lucky the driver wasn't going any faster.  
 
2. Get off the sidewalk. It's illegal to ride on the sidewalk. (not that I should preach, I was on there too.) Come on, City of Brandon, how about some traffic lanes for bikes. People want them and the city sure could use them. Everywhere!  
 
3. Scenario - she is riding southbound to the lights in front of Burger King at a good pace, not fast but quick, driver is ACROSS the walk lane turning right, looking left for on coming traffic, and the Do not Cross warning is flashing. Rider zips in front of car just as he accelerates to make the turn. She was knocked to the ground, got up uninjured, embarrassed, pissed, and went on her way.  
 
4. This is why riders have a bad name. You knew he was turning, you could see that he wasn't looking, you crossed when it was unsafe to do so, and you went anyways!?!  
 
5. Your one damn lucky kid that you didn't get seriously hurt.  
 
I bike everywhere. Why wouldn't anybody? The weather is beautiful, it's fun, exercise makes you feel better about yourself and Brandon is small enough to go anywhere in 20 minutes.  
Follow the rules of the road, ride defensively, protect yourself, and have fun.  
 
Marpet  

Pray it Forward

8/10/2012 5:06:24 PM
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I disagree

and ride on sidewalks whenever possible - Old school style. It's safer. I always yield and watch for pedestrians. I will use 26th St in the parking lane to ride, but will go from road to sidewalk if there are parked cars. I don't walk my bike through intersections unless it deems necessary, just yield to pedestrians and traffic. It would be a cold day in Hades before I would ride down Victoria Ave West on my bike - but good on ya, if you do.  
I wanna live!

Doug

8/10/2012 5:35:59 PM
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Marpet

  
Marpet said "...maybe this should be another post but thought it fit well here.  
 
1. Put on a helmet. Your lucky the driver wasn't going any faster.  
 
2. Get off the sidewalk. It's illegal to ride on the sidewalk. (not that I should preach, I was on there too.) Come on, City of Brandon, how about some traffic lanes for bikes. People want them and the city sure could use them. Everywhere!  
 
3. Scenario - she is riding southbound to the lights in front of Burger King at a good pace, not fast but quick, driver is ACROSS the walk lane turning right, looking left for on coming traffic, and the Do not Cross warning is flashing. Rider zips in front of car just as he accelerates to make the turn. She was knocked to the ground, got up uninjured, embarrassed, pissed, and went on her way.  
 
4. This is why riders have a bad name. You knew he was turning, you could see that he wasn't looking, you crossed when it was unsafe to do so, and you went anyways!?!  
 
5. Your one damn lucky kid that you didn't get seriously hurt.  
 
I bike everywhere. Why wouldn't anybody? The weather is beautiful, it's fun, exercise makes you feel better about yourself and Brandon is small enough to go anywhere in 20 minutes.  
Follow the rules of the road, ride defensively, protect yourself, and have fun.  
 
Marpet  
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I hope all is well for that girl. It seems if memory serves right up until that point it is a combined bike path and walking path that runs all the way from 18th to Park.  
 
After that it is pure sidewalk. Confuses some and I think the city should take a look see at making less blvd and a complete path all the way to the 18th street bridge.  
 
They certainly have not been thinking that way with all the new buildings on the east side from Park ave heading North. Myself when I commuted I hated getting off that path and getting onto the roadway during rush hour.  
 
The city could have/should have planned the extension years ago so all the new paved entrances would take a smaller blvd and wider sidewalk/walking path into account in the future.  
 
Maybe they did and its not workable?? The can still narrow the blvd and make a bike lane. I guess I should correct myself- that is the highways roadway!!  
 
Anyway I hope things worked out for girl and driver by the way!  
 
 

Marpet

8/11/2012 12:04:40 AM
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Doug...

...she seemed fine, just a little embarrassed and angry. No doubt felt it was the drivers fault...not in my opinion.  
 
As far as bike lanes and bike routes, I agree, better planning is needed. Cripes, how much did it cost to make a path out to the hydro station on Vic east? If that was necessary then maybe they should build one out to Maple Leaf as well. Who cares if no one uses it. More and more people will start riding as the years pass, why not be proactive and give them a safe place to do it.  
 
Pay it Forward...you can disagree all you want. It is illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk. The following is a link to an ebrandon post with an announcement from the city police:  
 
Notice To Bicyclists  
 
Given the recent stretch of nice weather, the Brandon Police Service would like to remind the bicycling public that it is illegal to ride a bike on a sidewalk if its rear wheel is larger than 410 millimeters (16 inches) in diameter. The practice of riding bikes on the sidewalk has been at least partially responsible for several past accidents between cyclists and motor vehicles. Bicycles that are being ridden on the roadway are subject to the same general rules that govern motor vehicles. Anyone riding a bike on the sidewalk with a rear wheel that is larger than 16 inches, is risking a fine of $111.10 under Section 145(8) of the Manitoba Highway Traffic Act. "  
 
Here is the link to the ebrandon post:  
 
http://www.ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=367547&cat_id=3  
 
Feel free to prove me wrong.  
 
Marpet

lynn1985

8/11/2012 2:01:14 AM
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This is American

The print underneath your bike rules clearly indicates it is an American site. MPI and the government of Manitoba both have sites, which would actually be relevant to our situations regarding cyclists in traffic.

PJ3770

8/11/2012 8:26:05 AM
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quick question

You know those bike trailers for children, are you supposed to haul those on the road as well? I happen to see an older women driving with one on 18th the other day, and it scared the crap out of me I was driving behind her and was very scared to pass her. Why is it illegal to drive on the sidewalks? I see people do it everyday, I vaguely remember them putting that law into effect. I also remember something about your tire width being too thin that they could get stuck in the grates that you can drive on the side walk, does that sound familiar to anyone?

BigDaddy 2

8/11/2012 8:46:46 AM
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I don't understand

  
PJ3770 said "You know those bike trailers for children, are you supposed to haul those on the road as well? I happen to see an older women driving with one on 18th the other day, and it scared the crap out of me I was driving behind her and was very scared to pass her. Why is it illegal to drive on the sidewalks? I see people do it everyday, I vaguely remember them putting that law into effect. I also remember something about your tire width being too thin that they could get stuck in the grates that you can drive on the side walk, does that sound familiar to anyone? "

why this scared you? What do all you people do when you come up on a slower moving car/truck? Do you not follow behind until safe to go around (on a single lane road) or switch lanes on a double laned road? That is all you have to do when coming up on bikes on the side of the road. Everyone makes this sound so dangerous and difficult to figure out how to drive with bikes on the road. What do you do when driving down the road and come up on farm vehicles? This is no different except it's a bike.  
As for your tires getting stuck in grates, most people that ride bikes have to be aware of road hazards such as pot holes, grates, train tracks, pedestrians, other vehicles and whatever else is out there. This is really starting to sound familier to when you are driving your car/truck! Normally (but not always) you are not riding that close to the curb to get your wheels stuck in a grate anyways.  
The reason why it's illegal to ride on sidewalks is because to many riders where meeting the front ends of cars that either weren't paying attention to everything going on or the biker was not paying attention too. If me or anyone in my family were riding on the sidewalk and ran into you (if you were walking) you would not just get up and brush yourself off. We are out to ride for excersice and it would defeat the purpose if I had to slow down for every walker out there. There were lots of times in BC where people rode bikes because it was faster then transit and driving your car everywhere.  
I might actually be changing my views of riding on sidewalks now after reading all this! Maybe all manitobans need to go back to driving school and learn how to drive with bikes or slow moving vehicles on the road. This is brutal how behind the times the majority of people are on this subject!

Just_sayin

8/11/2012 9:31:55 AM
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I know it's illegal

To be riding a bike on the sidewalk. My question is, how many bikers have killed walking pedestrians on the sidewalk, and how many cars have killed a biker on the street?It seems it would make more sense to have bikes on sidewalks than on the streets, especially since our streets really aren't wide enough. Princess is horrible. Poor bikers with their children in chariots riding on the road doesn't seem right. Bikers maybe just need to learn to ride with respect on the sidewalk, and avoid collisions with pedestrians. A walking pedestrian may get hurt by getting hit by a biker, but I'd rather that than a biker being hit by a car and getting killed.

DrDaze1620

8/11/2012 12:00:09 PM
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Thoughts from your friendly neighboorhood Doctor(not really a doctor)

If I can ever stop procrastinating, I will get on my bike, but you wont find me on the road. I grew up in Calgary and it is considered suicide to ride on the streets in that city.  
 
Its quite simple really, you ride on the sidewalk as fast as you want but when you come to a street, you slow down and make sure there are no vehicles coming and if it is safe to proceed then you go across the street to the next sidewalk and ride as fast as you want again.  
 
Should there be a pedestrian that you need to pass, then you slow right down and respectfully sound your bell and go around them on the grass, then after safely passing them you can go as fast as you want again.  
 
The citizens of Brandon hardly know how to drive a car, they don't follow the rules of the road, the text, they are on their phones, they are distracted. There is no way in hell that I am going to take my 60 pound transportation device and share the road with a 2500 pound steel beast who is slightly out of control at the best of times.  
 
If I get a ticket, then you will see me in court, and the judge will ask me why I broke the law by riding on the sidewalk and my response will be,  
 
"Well your honor, I value my life too much, here are my choices #1 I ride on the road with drivers who can barely drive, all the while trying to avoid parked cars and massive potholes that seem to appear out of nowhere  
 
or option #2 I can ride on the safe-walk I mean sidewalk and be respectful when crossing streets and passing pedestrians"  
 
 
The Dr's Rules for Riding a Bicycle in Brandon and Trying to not get killed.  
 
 
#1 Ride on the sidewalk/pathway at all times possible. And ignore the idiotic bylaw that should be a bylaw in the rural countryside of France.....not the city of Brandon.  
 
#2 Intersections, and sidewalk ends, and pedestrians all have the right of way.  
 
#3 Treat the above factors like a flashing yellow light. You slow down/stop and only proceed when safe to do so.  
 
#4 Ignore people who tell you to get off the sidewalk, those people are just morons who don't ride bikes  
 
#5 If by some ridiculousness , you get a ticket, alert as many media outlets as you can, so the rest of Canada can see how stupid our bylaws are.  
 
#6 If you have children and are riding on the street, immediately stop take off your helmet that you should be wearing and slap yourself across your face because you are an idiot who is endangering the lives of your offspring.  
 
That's pretty much it.  
So follow the Doctors orders.  
 
DrDaze1620......OUT

GameGrump

8/11/2012 12:20:23 PM
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Re: biking on the road

It'll be a cold day in hell before I bike on the road with my chariot attached to my bike with my 1 year old in it. If he's not with me, I'm on the road as I'm supposed to be. When he's with me, I'm polite and courteous on the side walks, and I have found that pedestrians have no problem (so far) moving out of the way for a woman and her child. I would do the same for anyone with a child with them, because I safety for the child comes first.

Rada-lady

8/11/2012 2:20:52 PM
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glad to hear

you wear your helmet, and follow the rules of teh road.  
However more need to be like you. Just a week or so ago, I was driving North on 26th, when I young lady (20s) was riding her bike south on the lane for north bound traffic!! She wasn't wearing a helmet...and she was texting!!

Marpet

8/11/2012 3:02:20 PM
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DrDaze...

...since you admit you don't ride then your rules seem quite irrelevant. I am sure that any judge would be happy to cite you repeatedly for ignoring the law.  
 
Lynn1985... Not sure what link you were referring to but my quote clearly stated the Manitoba highways act. There's only 1 Manitoba to my knowledge.  
 
Marpet

PJ3770

8/11/2012 10:10:24 PM
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bigdaddy

The only reason I'm scared is because there is a small child in the chariot and what if something happens ,you could kill that child. I would not trust brandon drivers with my child life.

unbreakable1

8/11/2012 10:55:57 PM
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Keep following the rules Shannon. Brandon drivers may one day see the light that responsible cyclists have rights too. As a cyclist, I had a few close calls due to some bad drivers.  
 
It would be really nice if the city ever decides to change one side of the sidewalk on 18th st. and Victoria Ave. to a bike path. You couldn't pay me enough money to bike on either streets.  
 
The other problem is some of the lights don't detect cyclists waiting at a red light. 6th St. and Richmond Ave is a good example of this. A cyclist on 6th St. will be waiting for the light to turn green for a very long time unless a vehicle is stopped at a red light on 6th St.  
 

voiceofthepeople

8/13/2012 9:21:56 AM
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Jul 2011
Total posts:165
Dr. Daze is spot on

Great post. No way will I risk my life or my childs life because of some poorly thought out law. I ride on the side streets as much as possible, but when i hear vehicles coming from behcind I am jumping the curb and on the sidewalk. Not about to be scrapped up off the road because "you must do this, it is the law and you cant make a rational decision for yourself." I certainly hope the enforcement people are flexible and give tickets on a case by case situation. Somet times a ticked is warranted for reckless biking, most times it wouldnt be.  
 
Anyone who blindly follows the "it is the law" on this matter should take a trip down victoria on their bike. Let me know if you make it and if it was a relaxed ride.  
You want your children/grandchildren riding on the streets everytime they jump on a bike, regardless of where they are biking?  
 
Bad laws need to be challenged and rewritten. There needs to be flexiblitity. Should allow bikes on sidewalks but can be ticketed for riding in a reckless manner around pedestrians.  
How many walking paths are shared by bikes and pedestrians in brandon already? whats the difference?

 
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