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xanthe100

8/10/2012 12:45:30 PM
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Convicted murderer/porn addict enrolled in university in Winnipeg

What is this world coming to? A 22 year old was 14 when he murdered his 79 year old grandmother by stabbing her and sexually assaulting her witha knife after she was dead and poisoned her dog. He served the maximum 6 years youth custody and now has enrolled in university (pretty sure at taxpayers' expense) and wants the court to overturn his restriction of computer access. He admits to 'still having an occassional violent rape fantasy like the one that played a key role in the stabbing, defiling and sexual assault of his 79 year old grandmother inside her home.' Firstly, what kind of job is he going to get when he is a sex offender/murderer with sexual fantasies of rape? Secondly, why should he be involved in something that includes the use of a computer when he is banned by the courts and for good reason? Thirdly, I am sure glad I don't have a child in the university he is going to. They may be adults, but they are young and I would be terrified for my child going to the same university with him. We cannot know who he is, so what protection is there for those students when he starts to have a violent sexual rape fantasy that he may not be able to control? This was in the Friday issue of the Brandon Sun.

 
 
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BullyBreed

8/10/2012 1:27:11 PM
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no surprise

The crime wasn't his fault. Anyone that doesn't want to include him in our diverse mosaic is ignorant. After he gets pushed through university, maybe he can be the principal of an elementary school. Oh Cana-daaaah.....

Rob

8/10/2012 1:39:46 PM
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well it makes complete sense

he served his time....let him go to school and re-join society....just make sure that we all call in anyone suspected of a dui so they can get a harsher sentence, mandatory hanging perhaps for impaired driving...6 years for murder, rape, etc etc.  
 
Keep it up Canada

Lenigod

8/10/2012 1:52:43 PM
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So this person

Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance?

DerekButtery

8/10/2012 2:01:55 PM
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Lenigod said "Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance? "

I completely agree with you... why not indeed!! may as well give them health benefits, dental, optical, free mpi, housing and an account at the local supermarket too...  
 
 
take a life lose yours is my mantra! don't believe in the bible as such, but an eye for an eye seemed to be a path to choose {shame human beings seldom choose the correct one}  
 
and here's another chinese person claiming 'mental deficiencies' for her defence after murdering a man :  
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19211728  
 
 
it's all too easy... hell, why not let good ol' charlie out of the state penn?  
 
open the doors, release the gates, for the time of honesty and justice has ceased, and a time for a new world order is here!!

Sam87

8/10/2012 2:02:08 PM
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Lenigod said "Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance? "

Unfortunely the 79 year old lady didnt get a second chance at life...so why should this guy? Yes people make mistakes BUT he took someones life why shouldn't he have to pay for what he has done. So YES lock him up till he is 90!  
Maybe you would think differently if this was your grandmother, mother, or sister that was sexually assualted and murdered by this guy.  

xanthe100

8/10/2012 2:04:12 PM
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Yes, he's entitled to a chance

  
Lenigod said "Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance? "

but he is not ready to be integrated back into society if he still has admitted to feelings of sexual fantasies the same as what led him to murder and defile his own grandmother. Yes, he has served his time, but there are still restrictions he must live with that the courts are trying to help protect society from him because they recognize that he is still a risk. I am opposed to his defense lawyers trying to help him gain access to a computer when the courts feel he should not. They are asking for special treatment. Our tax dollars are likely paying for him to go to university (which is there to better yourself and obtain a professional job) before society is safe from his risk of reoffending. Instead of university have him in intense counselling since he admits to occasional deviant thoughts. Lenigod if you had an 18 year old daughter/granddaughter/neice would you be ok with her in his classes and possibly socializing with him not knowing his history and current state of mind? I wouldn't. I believe he is mentally ill: he has to be to behave that wy. But in that regard, he still isn't healthy and should be treated as such.

BullyBreed

8/10/2012 2:36:23 PM
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blargh

  
Lenigod said "Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance? "

But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance  
Why not give a 'helping hand' and a 'chance' to every degenerate, lunatic, and invalid in the world? Oh wait, we already do...  
This kind of utopian thinking may have seemed valid to the religiously naive in the 19th century, but by this point we should be able to see the dysgenic effect it's having in modern reality. Maybe this kid can move in with you and the rest of us cold-hearted taxpayers can miss out on seeing them blossom into highly functioning adults...since there's no way they'll ever re-offend like everyone else with this background story does.

Lenigod

8/10/2012 2:37:12 PM
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No I understand

  
xanthe100 said "
  
Lenigod said "Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance? "

but he is not ready to be integrated back into society if he still has admitted to feelings of sexual fantasies the same as what led him to murder and defile his own grandmother. Yes, he has served his time, but there are still restrictions he must live with that the courts are trying to help protect society from him because they recognize that he is still a risk. I am opposed to his defense lawyers trying to help him gain access to a computer when the courts feel he should not. They are asking for special treatment. Our tax dollars are likely paying for him to go to university (which is there to better yourself and obtain a professional job) before society is safe from his risk of reoffending. Instead of university have him in intense counselling since he admits to occasional deviant thoughts. Lenigod if you had an 18 year old daughter/granddaughter/neice would you be ok with her in his classes and possibly socializing with him not knowing his history and current state of mind? I wouldn't. I believe he is mentally ill: he has to be to behave that wy. But in that regard, he still isn't healthy and should be treated as such. "

That he/she (has it been said this person is male? I didn't think it had) is still mentally ill, and should be treated as such. I want to make it clear. I'm not advocating that this person be let loose so they can repeat what they've done. They've admitted they still fantasize about the same act that ended them in jail. I'm only putting forth an reasonable assertion, that people change. With help they get better, healthier, and can be integrated slowly and steadily back into society.  
 
 
I absolutely agree, computer access should remain restricted until a time deemed by court officials who have a better idea about the situation agree it should be given back.  
 
 
And yes, If I had a son/daughter that was to interact with this individual, I'd be wary, but I wouldn't disallow it. Given he'd be with a team of professionals helping him mold back into society.  
 
 
People to often judge and jump to conclusions about things and people they know little about. I'm not saying that I and I only am right. There are 100 ways to deal with this, and I know there are better people then myself to determine what should be done. But hanging? locking some one up for ever? these are cruel punishments best left untouched.

Facade

8/10/2012 2:39:25 PM
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This guy should be in prison or a mental health care ward, not a university. What he did is deplorable, unforgivable and just plain sick. Not enough time has gone by, not by a long shot, for this guy to think he's paid his dues.

LVXlaw9

8/10/2012 3:31:03 PM
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Maybe huis education evolves him, maybe he will become helpful...

Maybe this guy who was allmost a chiold when he comited his acts and messed his mind up because of it{does'nt mean he is at high risk to re-offend just ebcaus ehe has thoughts or fantasies; lots of people of all kinds of terrible thoughts and fantasies and never fullfill them...even some who have allready done so}. You can't punish a person for having thoughts or even fantasies.  
 
He was 14, I thibnk he deserves asecond chance. We do not know or understand all the circumstances of what he did or why, what led him to do such things when he was 14. He may be a socio or psychopath, he should be rtetse dfor it..if he is..then yeah...perhaps some restirctions on him would be a good idea; but if he's not and he was just messed up as a kid, had a hard life and got messed up. Well, its not like an older adult who does so willingly. 14 is a turmoilish time for any youth, it is the age of entry into biological adulthood from childhood. the brain has just recently grew to full mass, there are as many changes taking place in us at that age as between birth and older childhood.  
 
Given these factors, unless he is tested and proven a psycho/sociopath and at high risk to re-offend, he should be given a second chance IMO.  
 
For all we know he turns out to get a grerat education and to become a better person and an inspiration to others; perhaos one day he uses his experiences to reach out to others and even help aid others in overcoming such thoughts and impulses. I say, test him for psychopathy and sociopathy first, if he aint..then give him a second chance.  
 
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P.S. furthemore internet access would ensure a better eductaion, that he becomes abetter adult; also, better he have an outlet for himself, a catharsis, than that he be supressed and thereby even more messed up mentally by that supresion. Fantasy is better than fullfillment, if given the right conditions...fantasies can become nothing more than just thoughts, ideas, the impulse can be overcome...unless a psycho/socio. Cartharsis is better than actualy dooing, would you not agree?  
 
I find what he did depplorable, but I have enough understanding and wisndom to understand the circumstances and context and to see the issue objedtively.  
 
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Marie89

8/10/2012 4:11:35 PM
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It's really sad that I am not surprised by the amount of NEGATIVE assumptions present in this thread. It seems all to well that everyone on this thread seems to know this persons life story from an article in the local paper. The media will NEVER have 100% of the facts behind the case and the individuals involved.  
 
In my opinion, it is great that this individual is trying to better himself in getting a secondary education. How do we know that "our tax dollars" are paying for this, and so what if they are, I rather my tax dollars go towards a better edcuation than paying for an individual to sit in prison. For all we know this individual may be in intensive treatment for his fantasy thoughts and atleast he is being honest stating that he still has a problem, this only makes it easier to treat the individual.

Desertnewf

8/10/2012 5:10:33 PM
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Yesssss

  
Lenigod said "Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance? "

he should remain and rot in prison for the rest of his life!! No proper care or treatment can fix someone like this who is mentally ill. He was 14, so what? He was obviously smart enough to kill, assault and poison a dog. There is NO place in society for murderers. He should remain in prison until he dies!!

BullyBreed

8/10/2012 10:10:04 PM
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heeey

  
Desertnewf said "
  
Lenigod said "Should remain in jail his/her entire life? Without ever being given a chance to become a contributing member of society? Even when they are 90 years old? keep them locked up?  
 
He/She is obviously not mentally right, or at least at the age of 14 was not mentally right. But with proper care and a helping hand they can get better. Why not give a person that chance? "

he should remain and rot in prison for the rest of his life!! No proper care or treatment can fix someone like this who is mentally ill. He was 14, so what? He was obviously smart enough to kill, assault and poison a dog. There is NO place in society for murderers. He should remain in prison until he dies!! "

don't be so "negative". lol

ICYMI

8/11/2012 9:13:19 AM
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So this person shouldn't attempt to grab an education and contribute to society?  
 
We'll just foot the bill for a life of public housing and social assistance?  
 
C'mon people, we have a system, we punish people, when it's done it's done. Can't believe people are hating on this guy for trying to do the right things. WTF gives?

DerekButtery

8/11/2012 9:28:04 AM
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The_What? said "So this person shouldn't attempt to grab an education and contribute to society?  
 
We'll just foot the bill for a life of public housing and social assistance?  
 
C'mon people, we have a system, we punish people, when it's done it's done. Can't believe people are hating on this guy for trying to do the right things. WTF gives? "

this fu<:king gives:  
 
an old lady is DEAD because of this person's actions.  
 
why can't he learn from BOOKS like so many other murderers? I'm quite certain he'd do much better inside a quiet cell than a noisy and disruptive university campus?  
 
rather then spend money on social housing, constant vigilance, why not keep him in a nice, warm 8x8 for life?  
 
take a life, give your life...

ICYMI

8/11/2012 9:32:34 AM
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DerekButtery said "
  
The_What? said "So this person shouldn't attempt to grab an education and contribute to society?  
 
We'll just foot the bill for a life of public housing and social assistance?  
 
C'mon people, we have a system, we punish people, when it's done it's done. Can't believe people are hating on this guy for trying to do the right things. WTF gives? "

this fu<:king gives:  
 
an old lady is DEAD because of this person's actions.  
 
why can't he learn from BOOKS like so many other murderers? I'm quite certain he'd do much better inside a quiet cell than a noisy and disruptive university campus?  
 
rather then spend money on social housing, constant vigilance, why not keep him in a nice, warm 8x8 for life?  
 
take a life, give your life... "

Well for starters that's not how our system works. Take that up with the politicians, I am not saying it is right or wrong.  
 
She isn't coming back by him reading books in prison.  
 
The point is he has served his sentence, doesn't matter if you or I agree with it: he is done. The guy gets to live his life now.  
 
Obviously you don't know the cost of housing him in 8x8 cell. If it's a financial worry of yours we are much better of with this young man getting an education, and becoming employed.  
 

hermione

8/11/2012 9:37:29 AM
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That

is a very sick crime, and I highly doubt anyone who does something like that won't commit another such crime... had he been a few years older he'd still be in jail... have they at least addressed his obvious mental issues?

m_j

8/11/2012 10:36:27 AM
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lazy_lil_monkey said "  
Who kills, then sexually assaults their 'GRANDMA' after she's dead ? (deranged persons ) Maybe this should have been considered before university entrance , quite disturbing! "

Someone who is mentally ill.


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