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Freedom

10/12/2012 2:17:21 PM
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Some thing needs to be done about bullying

16 year old killes her self. one month after posting video on U Tube. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/10/12/bc-port-coquitlam-suicide-youtube.html?cmp=rss. So sad, that no one got to her on time to help her.

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Fishin Guy

10/12/2012 2:21:43 PM
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What can you do though now they tightened the laws? Bullies need a serious a$$ whooping and see how much they do it again. Seems there is an increased trend in hearing about bullies. It will only get much worse before people start to realize that this crap of "Let's talk and express our feelings" doesn't work and something will have to change.

Dr.Who

10/12/2012 2:38:46 PM
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Bullies

There are not more bullies around from when I grew up in the 70's there are just more ways to bully. When someone went home they were safe back then, now the internet provides bullies with a way to do it 24/7.  
The main difference now is that kids are not taught to be tough and suck it up. They are taught to cry, whine, and discuss their problems. They are also not taught how to lose. At any competition when I went to grade school there was 1 winner and the rest were losers. It wasn't it bad thing to lose, it just taught you to try harder next time. Even the Participaction Test didn't give everyone a badge. If you didn't meet standards you didn't get a badge. Now everyone gets a participation medal.  
I teach my kids how to take a figurative punch and how to give one back. It is all on the parents to give their kids enough self esteem to weather these storms.  
Teach you children how to survive in this world because they will need it.

kärlek

10/12/2012 2:42:38 PM
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Lenigod

10/12/2012 2:44:19 PM
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I agree with all of you

I think you both hit the nail on the head. We should be teaching our kids how to fight and if they see a bully, that it's ok, no, their responsibility to give that bully an ass whooping! The only way bullies well stop is if we engage our kids in a behavior in which they physically teach those bullies a lesson! The only way to stop bullies is with violence!

hatsoff

10/12/2012 2:46:27 PM
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Makes me sick

It makes me wonder what parents these days are teaching/showing their kids is ok. I know it is not always parents fault but I personally believe they are the biggest reason for kids turning into bullies or not standing up for others when being bullied. The same sex parent is the biggest influence in a childs life.  
“'Thou shall not be a victim. Thou shall not be a perpetrator. Above all, thou shall not be a bystander.” -Yehuda Bauer, Holocaust historian.  

Oryx

10/12/2012 4:18:51 PM
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agree with the person who said there are no more bullies in today's society than there were 10 years ago. Things like Facebook and other social media sites make it easier for the bullies and allows them to get away with their behaviour! The young lady in this news story apparently DID have the supports in place; counselling it sounds like, so she was getting help.

hermione

10/12/2012 4:21:09 PM
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Dr.Who said "There are not more bullies around from when I grew up in the 70's there are just more ways to bully. When someone went home they were safe back then, now the internet provides bullies with a way to do it 24/7.  
The main difference now is that kids are not taught to be tough and suck it up. They are taught to cry, whine, and discuss their problems. They are also not taught how to lose. At any competition when I went to grade school there was 1 winner and the rest were losers. It wasn't it bad thing to lose, it just taught you to try harder next time. Even the Participaction Test didn't give everyone a badge. If you didn't meet standards you didn't get a badge. Now everyone gets a participation medal.  
I teach my kids how to take a figurative punch and how to give one back. It is all on the parents to give their kids enough self esteem to weather these storms.  
Teach you children how to survive in this world because they will need it. "

"They are taught to cry, whine, and discuss their problems."  
 
you sound like a bully.

sammy

10/12/2012 4:27:07 PM
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i agree with the person who said that there are just too many ways to bully nowadays. cellphones,videotaping,internet,at school,after school etc. i am not old by any means but i still cant understand why kids have cellphones these days. i was a teen not that long ago(i was 13 only 13 years ago, 18 only 8 years ago) i managed to get to and from my friends houses just fine. if i had too, i used my friends housephone when i got there to let my parents know i arrived safely. now not everyone has landlines but the parents should be home so using their phone shouldnt be a problem?  
 
however, times are changing so if you insist on letting your teen have a phone(and lets face it, its you not them that decides this) then i think they need to be able to pay for it themselves but i also think the parent needs to be checking it from time to time to see what the text msg's are looking like. and do it randomly , do it while they are using it!! they are still the child and you are the parent, the boss!! start parenting, be involved in your child's life and know their friends, their parents,their problems, their personality. too many parents nowadays are so completely unaware of what their child is really like when they are not around. so many parents have their head in the sand and think that their little johnny or jenny is such an angel.  
 
bullying is not okay and never should it be condoned. too many kids are taking their own lives because of it. its a sad, sad reality. at the first signs of your child being a bully, there need to be severe consequences imo. you need to be teaching your child that bullying is never okay and if you see it, you need to stand up for the person being bullied. just my opinion anyways.

Jason Turner

10/12/2012 5:05:29 PM
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It never ends...

It's not just teen bullying, how about the adults? Bullying in the workplace which becomes harassment, bullying also leads to dictatorships, wars, hostile business takeovers, etc. Not to rain on your parade here, but our species is not capable of getting along amicably. The more of us there are, the more bullys and power hungry people there are. It's in our genes.

Michelle Budiwski

10/12/2012 5:08:14 PM
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What needs to be done

Dr. Who is right - there has always been bullies, there will always be bullies. What we as a society need to do is start focusing on teaching kids and even adults how to cope with difficult situations and difficult people. Yes we need to deal with bullies too but as long as all we do is focus on one side and not the other, we will continue to develop more and more youth unable to cope with negativity.  
 
We can't just say that we have to get rid of bullies - people are people and there will always be those that are mean, cruel etc - so while we deal with them, let's teach our children self esteem, self awareness and self defense (emotional and physical).  
 
If we attack the problem from both sides, teaching children not to bully as well as how not to be a victim, we may make progress. If all we do is continue to whine about the problem, we will never find a solution.

StillHere

10/12/2012 5:16:25 PM
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Is there action we could take instead of arguing about who is at fault

Is there any type of organization that allows parents to bring their kids to an event that informs the children in a friendly way of bullying and it's effects? Sometimes this doesn't help but sometimes it does and if it stops even one account of bullying then that's one child that's saved from it...

keystone

10/12/2012 5:16:48 PM
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I disagree

  
Tabitoo said "
  
Dr.Who said "There are not more bullies around from when I grew up in the 70's there are just more ways to bully. When someone went home they were safe back then, now the internet provides bullies with a way to do it 24/7.  
The main difference now is that kids are not taught to be tough and suck it up. They are taught to cry, whine, and discuss their problems. They are also not taught how to lose. At any competition when I went to grade school there was 1 winner and the rest were losers. It wasn't it bad thing to lose, it just taught you to try harder next time. Even the Participaction Test didn't give everyone a badge. If you didn't meet standards you didn't get a badge. Now everyone gets a participation medal.  
I teach my kids how to take a figurative punch and how to give one back. It is all on the parents to give their kids enough self esteem to weather these storms.  
Teach you children how to survive in this world because they will need it. "

So, it seems you are blaming the VICTIM for the fact that he/she is being bullied? That is so wrong.  
 
Either you are a bully-or it is simply that you have never been bullied. "

I don't think its blaming the victim as much as it's blaming the way society raises children nowadays. I agree whole heartily with the no winner/loser crap. Kids need to learn that they aren't perfect and a winner just cause they try or mommy and daddy say so.  
I've taught our kids since preschool that when they are getting picked on they walk away. If that don't work, they tell the teacher. If that don't work, they have our complete permission to punch, kick and fight.

don brown

10/12/2012 7:32:32 PM
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Just my opinion

I think that there are two types of bullying, and I don't think that it is something new. One type of bullying is when a individual, or a very small group of individuals, picks on people in general and don't have a specific target, and then there is the other type of bullying, where a specific individual is targeted by not only the bullies, but many other individuals as well. When you have the second type of bullying I don't think that there is any type of defense that a child or even an adult can use, it seems to become a mob mentality and even the most mature people around are not willing to get involved in trying to stop it. This story, as well as a few others that have happened in the last few years, are the type where it is a mob mentality, and as we know mob mentality has no limits, and usually goes beyond normal human. behavior.  
 
The sad part of this whole thing is that, as a society, we seem to think that children are not supposed to be punished because of the simple fact that they are minors. Until we decide that some actions of minors go beyond the boundaries of normal, we will continue to hear stories like this.  
 
Once again my opinion, Maybe it is time that the laws relating to crimes of minors take into account the severity of the crime, and have punishment that has some teeth.

na

10/12/2012 7:39:46 PM
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Butterflymbca said "Dr. Who is right - there has always been bullies, there will always be bullies. What we as a society need to do is start focusing on teaching kids and even adults how to cope with difficult situations and difficult people. Yes we need to deal with bullies too but as long as all we do is focus on one side and not the other, we will continue to develop more and more youth unable to cope with negativity.  
 
We can't just say that we have to get rid of bullies - people are people and there will always be those that are mean, cruel etc - so while we deal with them, let's teach our children self esteem, self awareness and self defense (emotional and physical).  
 
If we attack the problem from both sides, teaching children not to bully as well as how not to be a victim, we may make progress. If all we do is continue to whine about the problem, we will never find a solution. "

The problem is the parents that don't do this. There will be always those that don't.  
 
What we need is consequences for the bullies. Rather than seperate them from other students and give them extra help in school with more one on one schooling, as well as video games to play on their off time, maybe they should give them some kind of consequences.  
 
And on the legal side of things, maybe there should be laws that effect both the bully and the parent who's turning a blind eye or is simply too busy to give a crap. The legal system NEEDS to step in.  
 
Edited by BlinnB, 2012-10-12 19:41:23

Billy Jack

10/12/2012 8:05:42 PM
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Adults

have trouble subduing bullies in the workplace. When adults can't stand their ground, how are they to teach others to? Vanquishing all bullies isn't a realistic answer. For instance the world of business is dog eat dog. My belief is bullies have a place in society, we can learn from them and then effectively learn to use certain character traits to use to get what is wanted.  
 
 
 
Edited by Loco, 2012-10-12 20:21:05

keystone

10/12/2012 8:11:10 PM
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punish parents??

I can't see legal action working against parents. I don't think it should either. There is quite likely people that are the first to voice their hatred for bullying on this discussion board and meanwhile their own child could be a bully. Maybe myself. We all hope our own child does no wrong and stands up for the weaker ones. And maybe they do that for the most part, but it's easier to join the mob than stand in front of it.  
You teach your child as best you can, and hope they listen. But I don't think you should legally punish a parent.

na

10/12/2012 8:36:03 PM
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Why not?

  
keystone said "I can't see legal action working against parents. I don't think it should either. There is quite likely people that are the first to voice their hatred for bullying on this discussion board and meanwhile their own child could be a bully. Maybe myself. We all hope our own child does no wrong and stands up for the weaker ones. And maybe they do that for the most part, but it's easier to join the mob than stand in front of it.  
You teach your child as best you can, and hope they listen. But I don't think you should legally punish a parent. "

The parent is who teaches the child right from wrong.  
 
If the parent's child turns into a bully due to the behavior that they teach them (whether it is intentionally or unintentionally), then who is ultimately responsible? Remember, we are talking about teenagers here. Parents should be mentoring their children. Most schools will communicate with the parents of the students who have aggressive/bully behavior. It's up to the parent to sort that out. If they don't, the kid continues and then we have a continuous cycle.  
 
Maybe some legal consequences for the parent would be a wake up call.  
 
Edited by BlinnB, 2012-10-12 20:39:15

dallie

10/12/2012 8:47:05 PM
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This is so tragic. Unfortunately it's all too common. My son is being bullied by an adult and he's not the only one. i can't imagine why a grown woman would speak to a child this way. It's really bothers me, there are far too few options to prevent this type of behaviour.

chicklet

10/12/2012 8:54:55 PM
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Bullying is illegal

While some approaches should be used to counsel, build self-esteem, take positive pro-active and reactive steps for the victims of bullying, the bullies need to be held fully accountable for their actions, without minimizing, placing blame on the victim and ignoring it. If these bully-type behaviours were done as adults, it would be illegal behaviours punishable by laws. (Threats, assault, threats with intent to cause bodily harm, slander, stalking etc.) If the focus switches to the victim the focus comes away from the bullies in the first place who need to be fully accountable regardless of any cirucmstances. There should be no reasons or excuses for any illegal behaviours just because they are minors. Most times the victim is the one moving schools, attending counselling, taking measures and the bullies or bully just relentlessly continues. (And the parents of these bullies usually justify or defend, ignore, minimalize their actions and that just enforces and teaches them to do what they are doing). The victims (as this young girl sadly felt) feel it is impossible to end the bullying on just their part alone and suicide is the only answer. How can someone who was assaulted, threatened, and stalked be considered "whining, have issues with self-esteem, etc" that certainly takes the focus off the bullies. How about the bullies be one hundred percent accountable for their behaviours without any justifications?

ravinhound

10/12/2012 9:22:39 PM
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Oh boy.

Bullying is and can be a very serious infectious problem. There are different types of bullies. Lets look at the teen age group of girls or boys who target one person and do everything they can to make that persons life a living hell. Yes they are out there and there are to many of these kids doing this and getting away with it. In my opinion both the kids and parents need to be brought forward to answer for these actions. Why the parents as well as the kids you asks is because if the parent for some god awful reason does not know their child is doing or involved in this sort of behavior then they need to know. Maybe they are a parent that is one that says " my kid would never do that"..well again they need to know. This type of bulling needs serious consequences. Kids need to be held responsible for their actions. Now lets talk about the littler bullies. Yup they are the ones you see in the school yards. Now you might say there goes a bad kid but trust me they are not all bad. Some of these kids may have or are being bullied at home or else where and yes it is sad but true. So they end up being bullies because it is what they have been taught. So we really need to be careful how we deal with these children. Children are not born bullies. Bullying is something that is taught or copied. And yes again the parents need to be brought forward with the child. Just punishing a child for being a bully without trying to understand the reason for this behavior is useless. If a child is being bullied at home by a parent or sibling then this could cause them to act out in similar ways toward others. I do not believe in any form of bullying what so ever and as a parent of a child that was bullied when he was very young from a child at his school I as a parent took a very strong stand against this. I taught my children that fighting was always wrong and to stick up for others. I taught my children to come to me as a parent and that I would indeed take care of issues like this. And I did. I look back on this quite often as I have grandchildren now and I would not change a thing. My children grew up to be very caring teens and my son who was bullied and is now married with a child still believes that fighting is not ok. He was always there for his friends and never stood silent if a friend was being bullied. I was very proud of him. We all need to teach our children to come to use as parents to tell us if they are being bullied and we as parents need to step forward and take a stand on this for our children. It is never ok to stay silent. But we can not do it alone. We need the assistance of the schools, legal services and the community as well to be successful.

hermione

10/12/2012 9:26:56 PM
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Yes!

  
ravinhound said "Bullying is and can be a very serious infectious problem. There are different types of bullies. Lets look at the teen age group of girls or boys who target one person and do everything they can to make that persons life a living hell. Yes they are out there and there are to many of these kids doing this and getting away with it. In my opinion both the kids and parents need to be brought forward to answer for these actions. Why the parents as well as the kids you asks is because if the parent for some god awful reason does not know their child is doing or involved in this sort of behavior then they need to know. Maybe they are a parent that is one that says " my kid would never do that"..well again they need to know. This type of bulling needs serious consequences. Kids need to be held responsible for their actions. Now lets talk about the littler bullies. Yup they are the ones you see in the school yards. Now you might say there goes a bad kid but trust me they are not all bad. Some of these kids may have or are being bullied at home or else where and yes it is sad but true. So they end up being bullies because it is what they have been taught. So we really need to be careful how we deal with these children. Children are not born bullies. Bullying is something that is taught or copied. And yes again the parents need to be brought forward with the child. Just punishing a child for being a bully without trying to understand the reason for this behavior is useless. If a child is being bullied at home by a parent or sibling then this could cause them to act out in similar ways toward others. I do not believe in any form of bullying what so ever and as a parent of a child that was bullied when he was very young from a child at his school I as a parent took a very strong stand against this. I taught my children that fighting was always wrong and to stick up for others. I taught my children to come to me as a parent and that I would indeed take care of issues like this. And I did. I look back on this quite often as I have grandchildren now and I would not change a thing. My children grew up to be very caring teens and my son who was bullied and is now married with a child still believes that fighting is not ok. He was always there for his friends and never stood silent if a friend was being bullied. I was very proud of him. We all need to teach our children to come to use as parents to tell us if they are being bullied and we as parents need to step forward and take a stand on this for our children. It is never ok to stay silent. But we can not do it alone. We need the assistance of the schools, legal services and the community as well to be successful. "

Well said!

Amused

10/12/2012 9:52:58 PM
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Disagree...

  
sammy said "i agree with the person who said that there are just too many ways to bully nowadays. cellphones,videotaping,internet,at school,after school etc. i am not old by any means but i still cant understand why kids have cellphones these days. i was a teen not that long ago(i was 13 only 13 years ago, 18 only 8 years ago) i managed to get to and from my friends houses just fine. if i had too, i used my friends housephone when i got there to let my parents know i arrived safely. now not everyone has landlines but the parents should be home so using their phone shouldnt be a problem?  
 
however, times are changing so if you insist on letting your teen have a phone(and lets face it, its you not them that decides this) then i think they need to be able to pay for it themselves but i also think the parent needs to be checking it from time to time to see what the text msg's are looking like. and do it randomly , do it while they are using it!! they are still the child and you are the parent, the boss!! start parenting, be involved in your child's life and know their friends, their parents,their problems, their personality. too many parents nowadays are so completely unaware of what their child is really like when they are not around. so many parents have their head in the sand and think that their little johnny or jenny is such an angel.  
 
bullying is not okay and never should it be condoned. too many kids are taking their own lives because of it. its a sad, sad reality. at the first signs of your child being a bully, there need to be severe consequences imo. you need to be teaching your child that bullying is never okay and if you see it, you need to stand up for the person being bullied. just my opinion anyways. "

I disagree. The cell phones, internet, etc. have nothing to do with creating the bullies. Those are tools that only make it easier but those same tools can be put to good use...uses for what they were intended for. Where is the compassion for our fellow human being? Where is the "treat others as we wish to be treated?" Where are the parents of these little heathens? Those that bullied this young girl have her death on their hands and they have to live with this for the rest of their lives. May they realize the role they played and may they come to terms and do something to end this senseless behavior. We all have the power to change things and ourselves….the buck stops here!  

sammy

10/12/2012 10:02:42 PM
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amused...

sorry if you misunderstood my comment. i dont think that technology creates bullies, there are just more ways to bully using those devices. they can take pictures of ppl and send it out to everyone(without the victim even knowing what happened until its too late), post on fb, twitter etc. they can text/call continuously and harass the victim. they can create fb "hate" pages towards individuals. thanks to technology, there are just numerous ways to be a mean person.  
 
as parents, they need to be monitoring these new technologies. know your childs password to their fb and check it from time to time. take their phone and scroll through their contacts or text msg's. some ppl think this is an invasion of the child's privacy and it is to an extent, i agree. however, a parents first job is to parent, second is to be their friend. if you suspect your child is being a bully it is up to you to nip it in the butt.  
 
i agree that these kids will now have amanda's death to deal with for the rest of their lives and hopefully they learn from this and change who they are as people. some will and some,unfortunately,wont. bullying is just sad no matter how you look at it.

ravinhound

10/12/2012 10:11:11 PM
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Sammy

I agree with you. Cell phones and the internet make it easy for people to bully in different ways these days. But to me the ones who use cell phones and the internet are not just bullies they are cowards as well. Cell phones and internet make it easy for some who can't do it face to face. In my day a bully bullied you to your face. Now some hide behind their cell phones and the internet to do it and this can be so much worse for the ones being bullied as they can publish this to so many other people. I say these are not bullies they are just cowards. Kids who do this need to be banded from using any form of media and be made to do community service until they learn the meaning of compassion and humility.

sammy

10/12/2012 10:21:43 PM
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ravinhound

i agree that those types of bullies are also cowards. unfortunately though, some are still bullying in person but also taking it to next level and involving social media.  
 
my friend and i always say that we are so glad that fb was not around when we were in school. the comments that i see on some people's fb's are absolutely horrendous and absolutely have the power to destroy young ppl's self esteem. and its not always just on young ppl's fb, there have been many times that i see adults being bullies on there. it disgusts me.  
 
i fortunately never had an issue with bullying but when i see it, it just breaks my heart as my brother and cousin were bullied a bit and i know how devastating it can be. having worked in the daycare field i would see it a lot there too. adults need to step in and stop it as soon as they see it happening, whether its kids or adults being the bully or victim.

summergal

10/12/2012 10:29:53 PM
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Sammy

I completely agree with everything you are saying, I believe I'm about the same age as you and the first time I got a cell phone I was 19, I had no use for one any sooner (also couldn't afford it). I don't believe children need cellphones and even worse now if you have an ipod you can text people's phones, just got one from my niece the other day.  
 
Parents need to monitor cellphones, internet use, etc. That way they can know if their child is getting bullied or is being a bully and they should do something about it. They need to either teach their child that words can hurt but they are still great people or if they are a bully that it is WRONG. I don't get why parents think children need all this new technology.  
I don't know if the rules are still the same but Facebook used to only allow highschool students (and older) to have an account and now I see peoples young kids on there all the time. I think technology has greatly increased the ability for bullys to reach their targets.  
 
If parents would monitor what their kids are doing and cared enough about what their children are doing then I believe bullying would decrease (not all the way but even a bit would help).  
 
Also why should a child need a cell phone, when they are at a friends then someone there should have a phone. One family I know gives there child a walkie talkie and then when the child is out they can communicate with each other.  
 
Parents need to take a more active role in preventing bullying plain and simple.

Amused

10/12/2012 10:34:04 PM
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Sammy...

No, I read your post. You cannot understand why they have these devices and they should pay for them themselves. Yes they can use these devices to post but they can also use those same devices for what they were intended for. These devices and sites were not created to be used by mean, hateful, and cruel “human” beings.  
 
Parents need to be parenting. They need to be teaching their child(ren) right from the beginning how be productive members of society. The cell phones, internet, etc have no bearing on what a parent teaches their child. Many parents are damned bullies themselves.  
 
Ravinhound, I agree with you ~ the kids need to be made to do community service until they learn the meaning of compassion and humility and their parents need to be right there with them.  
 
I had some young lad “demand” I treat him with respect and in return that little disrespectful lad would respect me after I “earned it”. We had a “heart to heart”. He also thought it was funny to tell his teacher to go “f” themselves. We need to get discipline back into the school. We need parents and teachers to care again. We need children to care and to respect themselves.  
 
There is nothing wrong with cell phones, internet, etc. I use these tools on a daily basis and never would they be used to bully because I do not believe in bullying. By the way, how many parents have taught their children to get out and help their elderly neighbors by shoveling snow, cutting grass, etc without expecting something in return? When I do something for others, I do not expect anything in return nor do I want anything in return.  

Sete

10/12/2012 10:41:19 PM
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Bullies need to be taught a lesson

I was bullied throughout school. Not so much in 11 and 12 but in lower grades. Frankly I ignored it. Some bullies bully others because they are going through drastic life changes and they don't know how to cope. So they take it out on others. There will always be bullies in the world that will most Likely never change. And bullies will find ways to make their victims lives a living hell.

sammy

10/12/2012 10:52:50 PM
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:)

  
Amused said "No, I read your post. You cannot understand why they have these devices and they should pay for them themselves. Yes they can use these devices to post but they can also use those same devices for what they were intended for. These devices and sites were not created to be used by mean, hateful, and cruel “human” beings.  
 
Parents need to be parenting. They need to be teaching their child(ren) right from the beginning how be productive members of society. The cell phones, internet, etc have no bearing on what a parent teaches their child. Many parents are damned bullies themselves.  
 
Ravinhound, I agree with you ~ the kids need to be made to do community service until they learn the meaning of compassion and humility and their parents need to be right there with them.  
 
I had some young lad “demand” I treat him with respect and in return that little disrespectful lad would respect me after I “earned it”. We had a “heart to heart”. He also thought it was funny to tell his teacher to go “f” themselves. We need to get discipline back into the school. We need parents and teachers to care again. We need children to care and to respect themselves.  
 
There is nothing wrong with cell phones, internet, etc. I use these tools on a daily basis and never would they be used to bully because I do not believe in bullying. By the way, how many parents have taught their children to get out and help their elderly neighbors by shoveling snow, cutting grass, etc without expecting something in return? When I do something for others, I do not expect anything in return nor do I want anything in return.  
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i still do not think that teens NEED cellphones,ipods,ipads,iphones,etc. (hell i dont even know what an ipad does lol) teens spend their whole day in school with their friends.they have ample time to socialize IN PERSON. they can call their friends on landlines if they want. for a teen to have their own cellphone is ridiculous to me. its even more ridiculous to me when they dont pay for it themselves. thats just how i was raised.  
 
you say you use these devices everyday. i agree, i do as well. we are adults though and pay for them ourselves. of course these devices are not bad and have good things about them. nobody is even disputing that.  
 
even if you teach your child to help an elderly person, how the heck are they even gonna see that person is in need of help when almost every single kid i see has their face down texting while walking.  
 
as for the respect is earned not given well i dont really agree with that. if you meet someone new, which one of you is gonna respect the other if the other is waiting for it to be earned. i think respect should be given to every new person you meet until they give you a reason to not respect them. just my opinion.

 
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