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Sandra O

4/21/2013 10:44:48 AM
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Fights at the Mall

Last night my fourteen year old daughter and her friend went into Brandon to the mall for some shopping and fun. We live about a half hour out of town, so going to the mall becomes an event in itself. She was excited to go as she was going with the other girls parents not HER own lol, and meeting two other friends there.  
I wish she could have enjoyed her night, instead they were followed/stalked around the mall by a group of girls. Now according to my daughter, dirty looks and comments were made directed at my daughter and her friend. They looked for security as they went through the mall but did not know where the office is. There was no one at the customer service desk when they circled past. Hoping to avoid anymore problems, my daughter and her friends left to go to McDonalds.  
This is when one girl in her group ( the slowest runner) GOT JUMPED!!!  
This was outside the east Target doors at the mall last evening close to nine. Police arrived after and the girl is somewhat ok, just hurt and scared. My daughter and her friend are quite shaken up by it all, as mentioned, we live out of town, she DOES NOT know these attackers from school or anything. She does not even go to Brandon school. We are safe to go to OUR local shopping complex without this kind of worry/fear!  
So I'm wondering what to do from here. I plan to call the mall office to see if they are looking at extra security or even a police kiosk or desk in the hallways somewhere. This is a rising trend, a disgusting reality and unfortunately all too common.  
Our kids should be able to go to public consumer areas in their teens and expect that they will be safe!  
I am just a mom worried about how to help my daughter learn to negotiate this big bad world around her independently and safely, so she gets to see the beauty, humanity and good.  

 
 
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brinlee

4/21/2013 10:48:40 AM
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So sorry this happened to your daughter and her friends! I hope the mall security/police come up with extra security or increased safety protocols.

NoCares

4/21/2013 10:51:32 AM
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Sorry that your daughter and her friends got stalked and one of them got jumped.  
 
Some of these kids that do the jumping need to get the tables turned on them, to show them that they are not tough. A lot of times these people keep doing it until they get knocked down themselves, I know I did!  
 
I also agree that there should be some place in the mall that someone can find security. One should sit at the desk (customer service) and two should walk the mall, plus two walking the outside. Yes it may seem excess, but it would be worth it!

dueindecember

4/21/2013 10:53:13 AM
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suggestions

Maybe remind the girls to go into a store and tell a store clerk they are being harassed. They would know how to get ahold of security.  
They could text the parents who dropped them off for ideas.  
Use a phone to take a picture or video of the girls harassing them.  
Sorry they had such a terrible experience.

Mist

4/21/2013 11:03:48 AM
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should let the mall know

You should contact the mall just to let them know this happened, they should look into having more security on weekend nights perhaps. Glad the girl is ok.. and these other girls need something better to do, that was never a issue when I was younger, the mall should be a pretty safe place.  
I agree with telling a store clerk for future reference.

Sandra O

4/21/2013 11:36:38 AM
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Thanks!

That's a good idea to tell a store clerk. I always told her when she was young to look for a mom with kids with her, I'm sure a store employee would have been able to help.  
I agree SOMETHING needs to be done. Hopefully I'll have a positive conversation with the mall folks today.

traveller

4/21/2013 11:55:51 AM
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that sucks but honestly i would advise not to run next time that just splits the girls up and leaves the slowest one available to be ganged up on, that was me when i was younger too, stay in the mall next time until they are sure they are not being followed, its the same as if some creep were following you, don't go down the darkest loneliest hall, go to the busiest place and walk like you have a purpose not like a victim, even if you have to fake it, even if you have to text a parent to come get you, thats ok (going to a store is a good idea too) but don't go to where there is no protection at all, but i know as last thread on this sometimes many bystanders are afraid too and it seems some of the staff don't call security when they should but we need to or these girls will just keep doing it, get away with it once just gives them thoughts of superior power  
 
another thing would be get your daughter in karate or something, give her the skills and courage to handle herself, i know its not a popular opinion but fighting back worked for me  
 
ps defiantly call the mall and suggest they should have the security be more present and available

braid

4/21/2013 12:04:17 PM
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Apr 2010
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call

Yes...call the mall & complain long & loud ! ! They need WAY more securtiy in that place. Going in to a store is a good idea.

Old Rookie

4/21/2013 12:49:43 PM
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not much changes

When I was a kid, a million tears ago, this used to happen, but mostly at the Gallery downtown. More security may help, but the suggestions to go where it's busy, to a clerk, etc are the best. We just need to teach our kids how to deal with this. Probably an initiation for someone is what was happening and your kid was unlucky enough to be a target for it.  
 
This stuff is one reason why I think our young offender laws need some revamping. I agree that a lot of kids do something stupid at times and as long as they learn, there is no reason for it to follow them for life. BUT there should be much greater repercussions for repeat/serious offenders. I think a good public "shaming" may stop a lot of them. Going to juvie is a badge of honor for some, but I'm pretty sure that none of them would enjoy public embarrassment.  
 
I hope your daughter's friend is okay mentally as well as physically.

Livindedgrl

4/21/2013 12:58:57 PM
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let's go!!!

I'm sorry your daughters and friends went through this!!! I'm surprised that was no security or any help, your daughter did the right thing, removing herself from the area, but still got attacked.. I got a message for those girls that attacked: Grow Up and beat on someone your own size, your immature and belong in jail, hope karma bites you in the butt! And you get what you deserve, hurting the innocent is a crime, Wanna have a go? your welcome to come for me. Cause obviously your life is so terrible and boring you take it out on other ppl, your disgusting.

Katherine.

4/21/2013 1:10:02 PM
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Aug 2009
Total posts:130
its so sad!

I remember hanging out at the mall as a teen and never had to worry about this sorta thing. Wasn't it last month or so there was a topic about 1-2 girls getting kicked while on the ground in the food court? Shouldn't the mall have upped the security after that incident? Brandon isn't the safe little community it once was and as that changed so should we. It's very unfortunate that teens can't hangout with friends and shop without stressing that girls they don't even know will harass them. It's sad!

Cuba2015

4/21/2013 1:15:15 PM
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Jun 2006
Total posts:114
Appaling

This has to stop. There has been entirely too many girls getting beaten at the mall. Where's the security guards?? Again like in a previous blog, they were no where to be found. If this was to happen to my daughter I too would be so upset. They shouldn't be afraid to go shopping or as a parent we shouldn't be scared to let them.  
I hope phoning the mall and raising your concerns will have a direct affect. The Shopper's Mall should want to clean this up.....But do they care?? It keeps happening so it leads me to believe they don't!!!

Steve

4/21/2013 1:28:08 PM
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Sad

Its sad that we keep reading about this kind of crap happening over and over again. Most kids these days carry cell phones so why run? Get to a store call for help or call 911. The mall needs to ban these kids from being in the mall or on mall property. Maybe somebody needs to threaten to sue the mall for them to wake up.

Cuba2015

4/21/2013 1:37:15 PM
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just curious

what did these girls look like? do you have a description of them, maybe if people (young girls) knew who, what they looked like they could avoid them. not that they should have to but it may be helpful...i know my husband is furious about this and has mentioned how he would start doing something about it if mall security cant. He for one is not concerned about the consequences towards him rather than the safety of these young girls. He said numerous times that Mall security is a joke, that they dont care and don t have the proper training to deal with these situations. The police did show up but after the fact!!!! This needs to be stopped before it happens and if security and police cant respond to it quick enough, my husband has stated he would patrol the mall and put an end to it before someone gets hurt...yes i've told him vigilante justice is not the way to go or deal with things, but he says noone else seems to care, citizens, security etc, so lets come together as a community and start making citizen arrests. He has no problem restraining a person that is hurting another person and facing the consequences...he says its called reasonable force!! so you young girls or guys that are gonna be causing issues and attacking other young girls/boys, just be warned because he will do it!!! 6 foot five and 280lbs is gonna be watching!!!

Sandra O

4/21/2013 1:50:16 PM
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Love it!

  
Gibler said "what did these girls look like? do you have a description of them, maybe if people (young girls) knew who, what they looked like they could avoid them. not that they should have to but it may be helpful...i know my husband is furious about this and has mentioned how he would start doing something about it if mall security cant. He for one is not concerned about the consequences towards him rather than the safety of these young girls. He said numerous times that Mall security is a joke, that they dont care and don t have the proper training to deal with these situations. The police did show up but after the fact!!!! This needs to be stopped before it happens and if security and police cant respond to it quick enough, my husband has stated he would patrol the mall and put an end to it before someone gets hurt...yes i've told him vigilante justice is not the way to go or deal with things, but he says noone else seems to care, citizens, security etc, so lets come together as a community and start making citizen arrests. He has no problem restraining a person that is hurting another person and facing the consequences...he says its called reasonable force!! so you young girls or guys that are gonna be causing issues and attacking other young girls/boys, just be warned because he will do it!!! 6 foot five and 280lbs is gonna be watching!!! "

I hate to admit, and not trying to pass the buck....but what is WRONG with people? There were several adult passer bys that looked over while the girls were being taunted and pushed in the mall before fleeing. NOT ONE stopped and asked the girls if they needed help, to escort them somewhere or even to simply tell the attackers to STOP!!!!  
We tell kids to stand up to bullying but as adults we walk on by....sickening  
A "concerned citizens patrol" at the mall is a great idea lol! I would have loved to see the look on the hooligans faces when such a big man would intervene  
But should we have to ask people to do this? Isn't it EVERYONE'S responsibility to step in, keep the peace, and protect the innocent? Sheesh...poor kids these days

axana596

4/21/2013 1:57:47 PM
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imho

Sorry but "concerned citizens" tend to get told to mind their own business so they give up trying to help.

NoCares

4/21/2013 1:59:02 PM
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The more people that stand up to these kids when it happens, the less it will happen.  
 
These girls seem to attack others as a group, so why can't the adults stop them as a bigger group?  
 
If a group of 3 girls is being jumped by a group of 6 girls, then why can't a group of 10 adults jump in to stop it all? I'm sure the 6 girls doing the beating would run off if they saw a large group of adults descending on them.

Cuba2015

4/21/2013 2:00:05 PM
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Jun 2006
Total posts:114
Agree!!!

  
Sandra O said "
  
Gibler said "what did these girls look like? do you have a description of them, maybe if people (young girls) knew who, what they looked like they could avoid them. not that they should have to but it may be helpful...i know my husband is furious about this and has mentioned how he would start doing something about it if mall security cant. He for one is not concerned about the consequences towards him rather than the safety of these young girls. He said numerous times that Mall security is a joke, that they dont care and don t have the proper training to deal with these situations. The police did show up but after the fact!!!! This needs to be stopped before it happens and if security and police cant respond to it quick enough, my husband has stated he would patrol the mall and put an end to it before someone gets hurt...yes i've told him vigilante justice is not the way to go or deal with things, but he says noone else seems to care, citizens, security etc, so lets come together as a community and start making citizen arrests. He has no problem restraining a person that is hurting another person and facing the consequences...he says its called reasonable force!! so you young girls or guys that are gonna be causing issues and attacking other young girls/boys, just be warned because he will do it!!! 6 foot five and 280lbs is gonna be watching!!! "

I hate to admit, and not trying to pass the buck....but what is WRONG with people? There were several adult passer bys that looked over while the girls were being taunted and pushed in the mall before fleeing. NOT ONE stopped and asked the girls if they needed help, to escort them somewhere or even to simply tell the attackers to STOP!!!!  
We tell kids to stand up to bullying but as adults we walk on by....sickening  
A "concerned citizens patrol" at the mall is a great idea lol! I would have loved to see the look on the hooligans faces when such a big man would intervene  
But should we have to ask people to do this? Isn't it EVERYONE'S responsibility to step in, keep the peace, and protect the innocent? Sheesh...poor kids these days "

However if people are willing to do this I think it should be allowed within moderation. Cause we have all said the Mall Cops are not doing there job!!!!

jk103

4/21/2013 2:07:51 PM
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Mar 2008
Total posts:39
Hi

Hi there, I am the father of the girl that was hurt in the attack outside Target. Just so everyone knows she is fine, just a black eye. I also need to clear the air because my daughter is a little upset, she wasn t jumped. She turned around to defend her sister. Who was the focus of these girls who decided that it would be fun to torment. I am pretty proud of her for standing her ground but against several girls probably wasn t the greatest idea.  
I could sit here and rant on about what happened but there isn t much point. Thx for all ur concerns and mall security as far as I know had called the police. Thx again

A.G.

4/21/2013 2:08:41 PM
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I have been followed before when I was 14 age range too on 3 occasions many years ago. First time a friend and I were in Home Depot in Brandon with my friends dad and 2 girls followed us everywhere so we just went back to her Dad and they stopped. The second time a friend and I were in polo park and a group of 4 teens dressed very weirdly ( thongs on there heads and stuff) were following us in the mall we walked fast into Sears and ran to find my mom. The third time me and a friend again in Polo Park an intoxicated adult was following us saying "hey girls " so we went to the lower level and he found us at Garage clothing.Then we quickly ran off as his angry wife started yelling at him... We were weirded out and not that scared the first two times. The last time we were a bit scared cuz it was a intoxicated adult.  
 
If me and my man were in the mall and seen this happening to kids we would intervene for sure! They should of stayed in the mall and went into a store and asked a clerk to call security and never leave the mall. What is wrong with kids these days let alone girls! I can't even believe it.

Cuba2015

4/21/2013 2:11:03 PM
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Glad to hear

  
jk103 said "Hi there, I am the father of the girl that was hurt in the attack outside Target. Just so everyone knows she is fine, just a black eye. I also need to clear the air because my daughter is a little upset, she wasn t jumped. She turned around to defend her sister. Who was the focus of these girls who decided that it would be fun to torment. I am pretty proud of her for standing her ground but against several girls probably wasn t the greatest idea.  
I could sit here and rant on about what happened but there isn t much point. Thx for all ur concerns and mall security as far as I know had called the police. Thx again "

JK103 I am happy to hear that your daughters are okay. It is very unfortunate that they had to deal with that abuse in the first place.

Cuba2015

4/21/2013 2:21:58 PM
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Perhaps

  
axana596 said "Sorry but "concerned citizens" tend to get told to mind their own business so they give up trying to help. "

If enough parents/etc get together they could achieve more success at putting a stop to this issue

jk103

4/21/2013 2:31:54 PM
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oh one more thing

Oh and just so u girls know. We will find out who u r and u will be charged. I hope BPS and the courts make an example out of the 7 of u

Hackeda

4/21/2013 2:52:38 PM
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MYOB

  
Sandra O said "
  
Gibler said "what did these girls look like? do you have a description of them, maybe if people (young girls) knew who, what they looked like they could avoid them. not that they should have to but it may be helpful...i know my husband is furious about this and has mentioned how he would start doing something about it if mall security cant. He for one is not concerned about the consequences towards him rather than the safety of these young girls. He said numerous times that Mall security is a joke, that they dont care and don t have the proper training to deal with these situations. The police did show up but after the fact!!!! This needs to be stopped before it happens and if security and police cant respond to it quick enough, my husband has stated he would patrol the mall and put an end to it before someone gets hurt...yes i've told him vigilante justice is not the way to go or deal with things, but he says noone else seems to care, citizens, security etc, so lets come together as a community and start making citizen arrests. He has no problem restraining a person that is hurting another person and facing the consequences...he says its called reasonable force!! so you young girls or guys that are gonna be causing issues and attacking other young girls/boys, just be warned because he will do it!!! 6 foot five and 280lbs is gonna be watching!!! "

I hate to admit, and not trying to pass the buck....but what is WRONG with people? There were several adult passer bys that looked over while the girls were being taunted and pushed in the mall before fleeing. NOT ONE stopped and asked the girls if they needed help, to escort them somewhere or even to simply tell the attackers to STOP!!!!  
We tell kids to stand up to bullying but as adults we walk on by....sickening  
A "concerned citizens patrol" at the mall is a great idea lol! I would have loved to see the look on the hooligans faces when such a big man would intervene  
But should we have to ask people to do this? Isn't it EVERYONE'S responsibility to step in, keep the peace, and protect the innocent? Sheesh...poor kids these days "

I support Gibler's husband. Someone has to do something to teach punks they aren't so tough if the law can't/won't.  
 
What I don't understand is if the girls being taunted didn't want to involve the clerks, why didn't they go find or call the adult parents they came to town with? Yes, I know they are teenagers and they SHOULD be safe in a mall but the fact is, anything can happen at anytime.  
 
Perhaps in an ideal world, people would intervene, but I don't believe it is everyone's responsibility to look after teenagers in the mall. We shouldn't expect it these days. Rely on yourself.  
 
I think the little terrors would learn a huge lesson from a smackdown more than they would be questioned by the police. They deserve a stay at a reality camp to learn respect.  
 
The mall administration should definitely be looking into this.

jk103

4/21/2013 3:04:38 PM
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Total posts:39
again

My girls did call me but I was at wal mart at the time. Unfortunatly I wasn t in a position to get to the shoppers mall as fast as I would have liked to. They also call their mother and she showed up 30 seconds before I did.  
It would have been nice if someone had of stepped in. I can t say mall security did not do anything. The group that my girls were with paniced and didn t know what else to do. Mall security didn t stop the attack but intervening but they did call BPS. I do agree it sucks but now we have to let the police do their job.

Cuba2015

4/21/2013 3:11:42 PM
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Jun 2006
Total posts:114
Phone call

  
jk103 said "My girls did call me but I was at wal mart at the time. Unfortunatly I wasn t in a position to get to the shoppers mall as fast as I would have liked to. They also call their mother and she showed up 30 seconds before I did.  
It would have been nice if someone had of stepped in. I can t say mall security did not do anything. The group that my girls were with paniced and didn t know what else to do. Mall security didn t stop the attack but intervening but they did call BPS. I do agree it sucks but now we have to let the police do their job. "

As a mother of teenagers, that would be a call that I would not want to receive.  

Ryan_M

4/21/2013 3:30:23 PM
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Total posts:1374
....

It's a big mall and they only have one or two guards at a time, Security can't always be there when something happens.  
 
The guards they have are trained to deal with these situations far better than they were in the past, But if a grown male guard was to step in and physically restrain a teenage girl we'd have a very different thread right now. It's security's job to observe and report, They're not bouncers or police officers.  
 
 
I don't recommend the average citizen stepping in physically either, But staying close and drawing attention to the aggressors can work wonders.

L4593

4/21/2013 3:49:19 PM
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Total posts:472
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It never ceases to amaze me what teenagers can cook up for trouble. Glad to hear the girl wasn't hurt badly.  
 
I used to work in the mall for 9 years and it always seemed that the trouble there stemmed from teens hanging around with nothing better to do. The security unfortunately can't be everywhere and see everything at all times and I can't see management spending any more money on hiring more. Surveillance cameras can ID the attackers as long as they were within viewing distance. The best thing is for parents to teach their kids what to do in a situation like that, and probably going into a store and asking a clerk to call security for them is what should have been done. And I would suggest to parents to not let their teens just hang out at the mall daily for no reason, but parents who think this is acceptable don't listen anyway, so I won't bother.

Leanne D.

4/21/2013 3:57:26 PM
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Total posts:702
The problem with helping

First of all, I am so sorry this happened to these innocent girls that were just out for a fun evening and I'm happy to hear that the girl is okay physically. I don't necessarily agree with the statements condemning everyone for not getting involved. Before I go any further, I'm not saying people shouldn't get involved and stop this from happening, what I'm saying is perhaps people who don't get involved have legitimate reasons, like small children with them, or health issues, or perhaps insecurity about whether these girls are carrying any kind of small weapon on them. That being said, had I been there I most likely would have gotten involved even if it simply meant pretending to be a parent of one of the victims. On the flip side of that, if I ever found out my teenager was in a group targeting others I would make a great big poster that said "I am a bully and a thug and deserved to be punished" - then I would make him stand in Mall all day holding the sign for everyone to read.

hermione

4/21/2013 4:09:18 PM
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Wow

  
Hackeda said "
  
Sandra O said "
  
Gibler said "what did these girls look like? do you have a description of them, maybe if people (young girls) knew who, what they looked like they could avoid them. not that they should have to but it may be helpful...i know my husband is furious about this and has mentioned how he would start doing something about it if mall security cant. He for one is not concerned about the consequences towards him rather than the safety of these young girls. He said numerous times that Mall security is a joke, that they dont care and don t have the proper training to deal with these situations. The police did show up but after the fact!!!! This needs to be stopped before it happens and if security and police cant respond to it quick enough, my husband has stated he would patrol the mall and put an end to it before someone gets hurt...yes i've told him vigilante justice is not the way to go or deal with things, but he says noone else seems to care, citizens, security etc, so lets come together as a community and start making citizen arrests. He has no problem restraining a person that is hurting another person and facing the consequences...he says its called reasonable force!! so you young girls or guys that are gonna be causing issues and attacking other young girls/boys, just be warned because he will do it!!! 6 foot five and 280lbs is gonna be watching!!! "

I hate to admit, and not trying to pass the buck....but what is WRONG with people? There were several adult passer bys that looked over while the girls were being taunted and pushed in the mall before fleeing. NOT ONE stopped and asked the girls if they needed help, to escort them somewhere or even to simply tell the attackers to STOP!!!!  
We tell kids to stand up to bullying but as adults we walk on by....sickening  
A "concerned citizens patrol" at the mall is a great idea lol! I would have loved to see the look on the hooligans faces when such a big man would intervene  
But should we have to ask people to do this? Isn't it EVERYONE'S responsibility to step in, keep the peace, and protect the innocent? Sheesh...poor kids these days "

I support Gibler's husband. Someone has to do something to teach punks they aren't so tough if the law can't/won't.  
 
What I don't understand is if the girls being taunted didn't want to involve the clerks, why didn't they go find or call the adult parents they came to town with? Yes, I know they are teenagers and they SHOULD be safe in a mall but the fact is, anything can happen at anytime.  
 
Perhaps in an ideal world, people would intervene, but I don't believe it is everyone's responsibility to look after teenagers in the mall. We shouldn't expect it these days. Rely on yourself.  
 
I think the little terrors would learn a huge lesson from a smackdown more than they would be questioned by the police. They deserve a stay at a reality camp to learn respect.  
 
The mall administration should definitely be looking into this. "

"Rely on yourself" Nice attitude.  
Luckily there are still good people in the world who will help those in need when they need it.  
Your attitude is what they are trying to teach kids NOT to have with bullies-don't watch stuff happen, you're just as bad as the people doing it.

 
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