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Truck Chick

11/9/2013 8:13:33 AM
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Remembrance Day - have we already forgotten?

Maybe it's just me, but am I the only one who inwardly cringes when people were saying "yay for the long weekend!" "Enjoy your long weekend!" "I can't wait for the day off!" I mean, I get the sentiment, but have we forgotten that it's not a long weekend? It just so happened that Remembrance Day fell on a Monday. Next year it'll be a Tuesday. What's the next step - wishing people "Happy Remembrance Day!"?  
 
I admit, I'm not much better. We don't attend any memorials, but I do try to explain to my kids the gravity of the day's purpose. It's just a weird little hang-up I have, I guess.

 
 
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feeltheowl

11/9/2013 8:28:08 AM
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It IS a long weekend.

But it is a long weekend, and it's not just Remembrance Day. BU (and ACC?) students have a study break long weekend. I understand it's also Remembrance Day, but we have three other days in the long weekend to be excited for as well.

traveller

11/9/2013 9:58:54 AM
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yes i think we are definably on our way to forgetting, with all the white poppy campaign and everyone having a great time for the long weekend, me included, i do think we have lost a bit of what remembrance day is supposed to be, honor those who fought for what is right

blanket

11/9/2013 10:02:15 AM
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Yes

I have forgotten. Thanks truck chick I needed a reminder. When my grandpa past away I got all of his military medals. He was a man who would never speak of his service and I am sure I asked often. All he would ever tell me was that he would serve again in a heartbeat if needed but that it was part of his past that was best left there. So on Monday, I'm going to pull out those medals and see if google will tell me what they are for. I will invite my nieces over too, it would be a great learning lesson for them and they could use the lesson on remembrance.

pussorboots

11/9/2013 10:38:00 AM
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It's a Remembrance Day. Not a holiday!

I'm constantly saying this to people. Hurts that they look at it another way.

SmallTownBob

11/9/2013 10:57:28 AM
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Rememberance Day

I know for myself, I kind of have distanced myself from the day and use it more as a day off. Not because I have forgotten or don't care but because those who fought in WW2 which is the last war we maybe had any reason to be in are mostly dead now. I can think about them and maybe wear a poppy but I can't see them anymore or hear their stories.  
 
And I sure as hell ain't supporting the current military. You signed up, you weren't drafted, you wanted to fight in a pointless war that wasn't about freedom but about the US demand for oil.  
 
So in a way it has gone from a day to honor and think about the real heros of days past, to just a day off.

RobertMarks

11/9/2013 11:47:00 AM
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Veteran's Affairs closing in Brandon

and a link referencing the closure and the current federal governments treatment of vets. It's a Rick Mercer rant.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0DsJ8IhWO7w

Simonwalcal

11/9/2013 11:57:53 AM
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Frankly . . .

  
Truck Chick said "Maybe it's just me, but am I the only one who inwardly cringes when people were saying "yay for the long weekend!" "Enjoy your long weekend!" "I can't wait for the day off!" I mean, I get the sentiment, but have we forgotten that it's not a long weekend? It just so happened that Remembrance Day fell on a Monday. Next year it'll be a Tuesday. What's the next step - wishing people "Happy Remembrance Day!"?  
 
I admit, I'm not much better. We don't attend any memorials, but I do try to explain to my kids the gravity of the day's purpose. It's just a weird little hang-up I have, I guess. "

We forgot, the day we decided that stores need to be open that day.

thecdnmole

11/9/2013 12:01:12 PM
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Hunting too?

  
Simonwalcal said "
  
Truck Chick said "Maybe it's just me, but am I the only one who inwardly cringes when people were saying "yay for the long weekend!" "Enjoy your long weekend!" "I can't wait for the day off!" I mean, I get the sentiment, but have we forgotten that it's not a long weekend? It just so happened that Remembrance Day fell on a Monday. Next year it'll be a Tuesday. What's the next step - wishing people "Happy Remembrance Day!"?  
 
I admit, I'm not much better. We don't attend any memorials, but I do try to explain to my kids the gravity of the day's purpose. It's just a weird little hang-up I have, I guess. "

We forgot, the day we decided that stores need to be open that day. "

Isn't hunting now allowed on Nov. 11th? Sad if it is, but I am sure the hunters like it.

DontBeSilly

11/9/2013 12:08:18 PM
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Hunting

The guide asks that hunters refrain from discharging firearms before 1pm on remembrance day, but it's up to the RM to actually ban it

kingink

11/9/2013 12:08:43 PM
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I WILL REMEMBER

I will remember and honour those who have fallen for our freedom and country. No its not a holiday. I started a thread on this subject a couple of years ago. There was a lot of negative comments by ill informed people who "don't believe in war" or are "against violence" or "I can get an extra shift at work". Can you imagine what our country would be like if Adolf Hitler would have come over and spread his reign. Your world would be alot different as you know it.  
These proud Canadians have given their lives for your freedom.  
Our soldiers continue to protect your freedoms to day.  
To everyone else ---See you at the service on Monday and WE can stand proud together!  

acidbasement

11/9/2013 12:10:14 PM
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^

I believe the MB Conservation hunting guide contains a suggestion (not a regulation) that people should not go out hunting until after 11 am.  
 
I'm a firm believer in diplomacy, and I think the War on Terror is more about capitalism and control than about defense. That said, the white poppy campaign bugs the hell out of me. I don't care how progressive a thinker you think you are - leave it at home for one day and just honour the people who sacrifice(d) so much for us.

don brown

11/9/2013 12:53:36 PM
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Remembrance Day

As I have gotten older my feelings on Remembrance Day have change. When I was younger and hadn't experienced many things in life, like having fun with friends once you are out of school, finding that special person who you want to spend your life with, having kids and watching them grown into young adults and finally grandchildren and looking forward to maybe taking it easy, I did not understand what those who served gave up.  
 
Yes, I understood that people died and made great sacrifices for our country, but the reality of it all maybe did escape me. Today when I watch video of the wars I feel much more than sadness for those who lost their lives, there is the idea of what could have and should have been, there is also the idea of what members of communities,both large and small went through, and the loss that many families experienced, and also how the lives that those who live through it all did change.  
 
When I hear people talking of a day off, or having a long weekend because of Remembrance Day it sort of makes me really wonder. I can say that I don't attend services on Remembrance Day, but regardless of what we are doing on that day, I do stop at 11 pm to remember much more than just the loss of lives, and what I think of is the hurt that everyone felt during the times of war, and how lucky I am to have what I have.  
 
We are lucky to have freedom, but that is such a small part of it, most of us have not had to feel the true hurt that war causes, the loss of family members, the loss of great people who were taken far to soon in life, the loss of hopes and dreams of our children. As a parent of adult children, it is at time hard to fathom the loss of a child who would just be starting out in life. And as a person it is at times hard to understand what survivors had to live with, and words or videos cannot ever relay the pain that people felt.  
 
If Remembrance Day is just another holiday in your mind, or a long weekend, then I feel truly sorry for us as a society.  
 
I hope my comment makes sense, because at times putting ones feelings in words is difficult.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2013-11-09 12:55:21

Daphne

11/9/2013 1:39:06 PM
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Uninformed and disrespectful

  
SmallTownBob said "I know for myself, I kind of have distanced myself from the day and use it more as a day off. Not because I have forgotten or don't care but because those who fought in WW2 which is the last war we maybe had any reason to be in are mostly dead now. I can think about them and maybe wear a poppy but I can't see them anymore or hear their stories.  
 
And I sure as hell ain't supporting the current military. You signed up, you weren't drafted, you wanted to fight in a pointless war that wasn't about freedom but about the US demand for oil.  
 
So in a way it has gone from a day to honor and think about the real heros of days past, to just a day off. "

Since when does Afganistan have oil? There are many, many WW2 vets still alive, I think you are thinking of WW1

traveller

11/9/2013 1:47:30 PM
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while its always hard to top don's posts (thanks BTW) i want to add that even if you don't support what the politicians send our military out for i respect the people that are willing to put their personal beliefs, rights and lives aside and do what is told without always knowing the true picture, that can be taken a bad way but at the same time how would our country and military work if every one who served this country in the military didn't follow orders and demanded to know EVERYTHING behind every decision, we wouldn't be a country for long, maybe if they assassinated hitler before he became so powerful the world wouldn't have had such an issue

sammy

11/10/2013 6:30:01 PM
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OP

I agree. I admittedly looked forward to the 3 day's off work but felt guilty saying that.  
 
I also am going out tomorrow because my new glasses are in and I want to pick them up. It does feel wrong though.  
 
I won't be attending any services tomorrow but I will take a moment at 11pm to remember those who fought for our freedom. However, I do think it is important to remember them year round, not just one day a year.

Aaron & Lisa

11/10/2013 6:42:08 PM
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So disrespectful!

To the person who doesn't respect the soldiers of today I sure as hell don't see you over there fighting for the country (ies) they are protecting...not to mention all the other services the military provides. Yes, you are correct they all signed themselves up but for a reason. That reason does not give you the right to disrespect them. They are all brave, passionate and caring. Traits you clearly lack. Many serve because of family who has previously served and they are carrying on. You may not agree with the government but please do not take it out on our soldiers. - a proud military wife

feeltheowl

11/10/2013 6:42:44 PM
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We Will Remember Them

I am happy to have the long weekend. I also have Tuesday off as a BU student. However...  
 
My grandfather fought in WWII. I have many friends in the military. I know both verses of In Flanders Fields by heart. I have been to Flanders Fields twice. And I helped raise two children while their father was in Afghanistan.  
 
I might go to the ceremony at the Keystone centre, and I participated in the ceremony at my church today. The only place I will be 'going out' to is Wal-mart, because I just ate my last gluten-free tortilla, and I eat those three meals a day.  
 
Just because some people see it as a bit of a holiday, doesn't mean they don't understand why we remember.  
 
At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,  
We Will Remember Them.

Aaron & Lisa

11/10/2013 6:43:49 PM
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So disrespectful

To the person who doesn't respect the soldiers of today I sure as hell don't see you over there fighting for the country (ies) they are protecting...not to mention all the other services the military provides. Yes, you are correct they all signed themselves up but for a reason. That reason does not give you the right to disrespect them. They are all brave, passionate and caring. Traits you clearly lack. Many serve because of family who has previously served and they are carrying on. You may not agree with the government but please do not take it out on our soldiers. - a proud military wife

don brown

11/10/2013 7:02:28 PM
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Remembrance Day

Sammy I read your post and thought about something from a fairly long time ago. First off I will say that I might be wrong on this, but years ago it was not a holiday at all, and business shut down for usually an hour or maybe an hour and a half to have the service and then back to work everyone went. Like I said it was quite a while ago and I could be wrong, but I remember leaving class to go to the service, and then after the lunch hour we went back to classes.  
 
This is just my opinion, and maybe it's wrong, but I don't think that it was ever intended to be a holiday, and to this day I don't think that it should be, by turning it into a holiday it seems to have lost much of the meaning it was supposed to have.

Bergy

11/10/2013 7:24:04 PM
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sad

sad thing is the next generation will have no idea what the day is about or how screwed up the world was! And you know what comes next, some idiot will start another world war. So my advice would be to never let your kids forget so they dont have to live thru it all again!

sammy

11/10/2013 8:16:19 PM
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wrong time

  
don brown said "Sammy I read your post and thought about something from a fairly long time ago. First off I will say that I might be wrong on this, but years ago it was not a holiday at all, and business shut down for usually an hour or maybe an hour and a half to have the service and then back to work everyone went. Like I said it was quite a while ago and I could be wrong, but I remember leaving class to go to the service, and then after the lunch hour we went back to classes.  
 
This is just my opinion, and maybe it's wrong, but I don't think that it was ever intended to be a holiday, and to this day I don't think that it should be, by turning it into a holiday it seems to have lost much of the meaning it was supposed to have. "

whoops, I just re-read my first comment and realized I put pm instead of am!! My apologies!  
 
Don, funny you should mention that because I asked my fiance and a friend if they remembered getting school off for Remembrance day. I thought for sure we went to school on Nov 11th and had our school service then? My fiance can't remember and my friend said she always had the day off and she is older than me.  
 
I agree with you. It would have more meaning if it wasn't looked at as a holiday.

cynic

11/10/2013 8:58:29 PM
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Not just a shopping day

We always went to school on nov 11 and travelled as a group to the service.The students pinned poppies to the cross as each name on the Honour Roll was read.I have always attended remembrance day services since then.Most of the vets are gone now but I still remember how hard it was for some of them as the names of their comrades were read.My thinking is when it gets to the point where it's just another day off for shopping maybe it should go back to not being a holiday and just have 2 minutes of silence at 11 AM

plude

11/11/2013 2:15:36 AM
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Times have changed

Definitely more of a heart filled day for some older people on here but for me it's just another day but at double time pay.. I don't support anyone in the current military because all the current wars are completely useless and for financial gain, whereas ww2 was a fight for your countries defense and existence. I know what the day represents but the sad truth is the times are changing and eventually there will only be an extremely small percent that have any idea what Remembrance Day is about.

ooga

11/11/2013 7:40:05 AM
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services

Are there services other than at the Keystone?

blanket

11/11/2013 7:42:59 AM
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Sad

  
plude said "Definitely more of a heart filled day for some older people on here but for me it's just another day but at double time pay.. I don't support anyone in the current military because all the current wars are completely useless and for financial gain, whereas ww2 was a fight for your countries defense and existence. I know what the day represents but the sad truth is the times are changing and eventually there will only be an extremely small percent that have any idea what Remembrance Day is about. "

Why is it that you can't support the people who are currently serving in the Military? I can understand not supporting some of the missions, but the people serving don't decide what mission they go to. Are you not aware that the military does more than missions outside of Canada? Are you not aware that search and rescue is performed by the Canadian Military? Are you not aware that the STARS helicopters are flown by the men and women of military? Are you not aware that when we are in states of emergency the military can be called in? Think no further than 2011 when the military arrived in our province and sandbagged for days on end, housed in big open room buildings with nothing more than cots to sleep on and cold water to shower in.

don brown

11/11/2013 8:16:13 AM
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plude

I'm not really a history buff, but I think that if you went into the events before WWI and even WWII you might see that it was economic issues that possibly led to those wars, so in a way it was also money at that time.  
 
The thing that we are not to forget is larger than just the lives of those who have died, for me it is the concept that war can grow to the size that it involves the whole world, and we have had two really great wars that have proved this point. By allowing our society to forget we are setting the stage for a repeat, and if you look at the way things changed between the first world war and the second world war, and then look at today's weaponry I don't think that we want a repeat.  
 
blanket- Great comment, I have seen the military help fight two floods in Souris, the effort from them, in my eyes, is always amazing, for them it does not matter if the are sore and worn down they have a job that they are expected to do, and yes it is a job and it comes in many different forms.

weekend123

11/11/2013 9:16:33 AM
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For myself I .I think remembrance day should be a day off - a whole day off for everyone. We shouldn't have stores open. Yes it is a long weekend this year and I am happy to have the extra day but that doesn't mean I don't remember those who have sacrificed their lives for me.  
 
I am pretty sure growing up we didn't have school on Remembrance Day (Rolling River School Division). I remember only being able to buy milk and bread at 7-11 until 1.  
 
I personally would like to see everything non-essential closed today all across Canada.

Wintrman

11/11/2013 9:47:45 AM
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We are such consumers!!

We consume so much! We consume to the point we can't even do without shopping for 3 days a year!  
 
Ya watch the store parking lots and stores pile up with people buying stuff because the end of the world is coming if stores close down. It's only one day people!!  
 
On Nov. 11th, the stores should be shut down. Totally! It would be a simple way of showing our respect to the folks who gave their lives for our freedom. But then again, that would never happen because of the corporations complaining that they would lose millions of dollars in sales as a result. Well without the sacrifice of our men and women, they wouldn't be able to be making those millions of dollars.  
 
It's amazing how greed blinds us so completely that we cannot just shut everything down but the hospitals and emergency services.  
 
Who knows? If we shut things down, maybe we would get to know our families a little better. You know, have a nice meal, talk about the fallen soldiers, play a few games, sit by a fireside and roast a weenie or two, talk about the fallen....  
 
See the pattern here? There's more to life than consuming. Once in a while it would be nice to have a total day off to reconnect with family or catch up on things to do or relax.  
 
Nuff said....

Daphne

11/11/2013 9:55:51 AM
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Yup

  
Wintrman said "We consume so much! We consume to the point we can't even do without shopping for 3 days a year!  
 
Ya watch the store parking lots and stores pile up with people buying stuff because the end of the world is coming if stores close down. It's only one day people!!  
 
On Nov. 11th, the stores should be shut down. Totally! It would be a simple way of showing our respect to the folks who gave their lives for our freedom. But then again, that would never happen because of the corporations complaining that they would lose millions of dollars in sales as a result. Well without the sacrifice of our men and women, they wouldn't be able to be making those millions of dollars.  
 
It's amazing how greed blinds us so completely that we cannot just shut everything down but the hospitals and emergency services.  
 
Who knows? If we shut things down, maybe we would get to know our families a little better. You know, have a nice meal, talk about the fallen soldiers, play a few games, sit by a fireside and roast a weenie or two, talk about the fallen....  
 
See the pattern here? There's more to life than consuming. Once in a while it would be nice to have a total day off to reconnect with family or catch up on things to do or relax.  
 
Nuff said.... "

Well said!

 
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