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Rue

8/10/2014 9:08:09 AM
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Higher Power

Higher power for good where is it ? With all the horrible things going on in the world or just in Brandon it sure makes it hard to believe in anything or have faith .Just wondering .

 
 
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Spaghetti Monster

8/10/2014 9:32:16 AM
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Within.....

The capacity to do GOOD lies within each of us. Not outside in the ethereal. While there can be no doubt there is grief and bad times, both man made and natural, there is also happyness and good times and believe it or not GOOD is the prevalent force.  
 
The unfortunate fact is, with general " goodness " being the default state , the negative events get all the attention and gives many a false perspective of the state of the world .  
 
At least that's my take on things.  
 
Regards  
 

halfassfarmer

8/10/2014 10:14:19 AM
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You're right

Goodness is what we all have to give if we take the time and effort. You are also correct, we are surrounded by bad news, corrupt politicians, mass killings, the Gaza, Iraq, etc., etc.. It is unfortunate that the media don't spend any time on the good things. So, we are inclined to become overwhelmed by the negatives.  
 
We can offer others help when help is needed, do favors for those that are in need of a favor. Help out whenever we can. Another unfortunate though is that after a while of giving and helping others, it becomes pretty obvious that the whole deal is very one sided.

katwalk1909

8/10/2014 10:20:47 AM
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Higher Power Within

The higher power is a separate entity within each of us. If you understand this and open your mind to what it is advising you to do, there will be more positive events happening.  
 
This is why I do more than just grant wishes. I also go through the classifieds to see if there is something I can help others with such as buying books listed and then donating them to the Kindergarten teacher that has to furnish her new classroom on a zero budget. It is the higher power within me that makes me check the site when there is an ad that needs my attention. I do these asking only that the recipient pay if forward when they are able to because that is what my higher power has been telling me.  
 
Media focuses on the bad because when they report positive stories, there are too many comments about it not being real news. Check out CBC facebook pages. Even our story about the cat with the feeder on the head being safely trapped got dozens of "Why is this being reported?" These trolls wanted to read only negative stories and criticize CBC for wasting taxpayer money on positive stories.  
 
 
Edited by katwalk1909, 2014-08-10 10:27:55

Kitty Price

8/10/2014 11:12:43 AM
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POSSITIVE NEWS

I have been stated for years now that our city of Brandon should get a group of people together who are all on the same mission & that would be to start a paper or something that the public could view every week or 3 times a week, that would reveal to us that good things do happen around us constantly. We as humans must have a balance in our lifes, preferably most of all good news. We need to be aware & hear all the evil stuff in order to protect our selfs & our loved ones from harm, but equally we need to have possitive good honest input of reasons why we should continue to believe in each other. We as individuals must become very strong in our beliefs of how we want to conduct our lifes for the betterment of our own self as well as the general public,, It is a given that if you place 15 people in a line up & you interview them on what they think life is all about. I bet 6 or 7 will reveal they believe in a Higher Power & try everyday to make a difference in others lifes. Our world will never be perfect as it never has been, but it does seam today to be alot worse that say 50 years ago. I still search & hope that oneday before my time is up here on earth that a group of dedecated people will see my vission start a GOOD NEWS ARTICLE for all to read & enjoy. I think it will give people that extra little push we need at times to do things right & to leave a lasting example to those around us.  
Just my humble opinion!!!!!

Bigbro

8/10/2014 11:41:23 AM
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katwalk1909 and Kitty Price

I also listen to my "higher power" and help when I can and also ask that people pay it forward. I also would like to see more positive stories in the media. I agree that there should be a separate section in the paper for happy/heartwarming stories. Maybe there wouldn't be so much depression and hate in the world if a little more happiness was spread rather than horrible things happening throughout the world. Sometimes I just turn the news off after the first 10 min of local news. I don't want to hear about fighting and war every night.

katwalk1909

8/10/2014 12:08:03 PM
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Stories

The stories serve a second purpose beyond making the reader happy. By having good news stories on a regular basis, people start to look for similar situations that THEY can help out with.  
 
I had just read BALA's suggestion about getting a "Stray" dog confined and then checking for the owner in the vicinity before assuming it was abandoned. Within a day, I came across a dog running south on First Street approaching Dinsdale Park. When safe, I was able to ask if it "wanted a car ride" and had it in my passenger seat. I was then able to drive around and take five minutes to find the owner about five blocks away (with a frantic look on his face).  
 
Reading the story here about the free beverage when her day was not going too well reminded me how a little gift can mean so much to someone. I sent an anonymous bouquet to an acquaintance and found out six weeks later from someone else how much she needed it that day.  
 
This is another reason eBrandon.ca is so important. It can tell us stories of how that little act of kindness meant so much to the recipient. With these stories filed in our brains, we are more likely to see places where we can help others.

Spaghetti Monster

8/10/2014 12:17:17 PM
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I am certain....

......the answer does not lay with strictly producing and consuming only good news.  
 
It's important, I think, to keep abreast of what is happening around you in terms of negative things (crime waves, inclement weather, contagious illnesses , war etc. ) for obvious reasons, but to keep in mind that these things do not make up the whole of human existence . Rather the opposite.  
 
Like the man says " Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." (Jasper Friendly Bear )  
Then go on to adjust accordingly and bring a small measure of joy to your little corner of the world anyway.  
 

ilovejesus

8/10/2014 12:22:52 PM
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Because there is......

  
Spaghetti Monster said "......the answer does not lay with strictly producing and consuming only good news.  
 
It's important, I think, to keep abreast of what is happening around you in terms of negative things (crime waves, inclement weather, contagious illnesses , war etc. ) for obvious reasons, but to keep in mind that these things do not make up the whole of human existence . Rather the opposite.  
 
Like the man says " Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." (Jasper Friendly Bear )  
Then go on to adjust accordingly and bring a small measure of joy to your little corner of the world anyway.  
 
"

so much greed, dishonesty, rebelling against God, people wanting to do everything THEIR OWN WAY, God is allowing all this to happen... FOR NOW. Soon it will be all over and those who have listened, obeyed and believed, will be gone to be with Christ. Those who have rebelled, will stay here and face the greatest TERROR and HORROR ever.  
Believe me... it's coming faster than you think!!!

Spaghetti Monster

8/10/2014 12:50:39 PM
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Well Boo.....

......"There's probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" is what comes to mind.  
 

sammy.b

8/10/2014 1:01:25 PM
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debate

This question you asked really something to actually sit and talk and debate about.. especially if you are religious. .because every religion would give you a different reason and thought and such.... and if you dont and n9t believe in God then you'd be like spaghetti monster and not care about anything in life.....  
No offense to you of course spaghetti

TEN

8/10/2014 1:09:47 PM
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Light (Good) and dark (Evil) can never co-exist. So if there is darkness in your world, you need to be the light that overtakes the dark. The more light we have in the world, the less darkness there will be.

3wildboyz

8/10/2014 1:20:03 PM
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everywhere

It is everywhere. Our thinking has tainted how we see things. We are stuck in absolutes: black or white, up or down, left or right, light or dark.  
 
Reality is it all exists together, in varying degrees, on different polarities. There is no such thing as dark. It doesn't exist, it isn't a substance......it's the absence of light, degree of light that is or isn't there. Once you go left, you are also right.....from a slightly different perspective.  
 
There is no tall, unless there is short. But short is also taller than something else, so is actually both short and tall.  
 
I know it seldom helps people, but we need to set aside our opinions and see things for what they really are, good bad and inbetween. Years ago I had an incident at a job and quit as I felt no use continuing. I had no job and while my family survived, we struggled. Had that not occurred I would not have the fantastic job I have now as my quitting did not lead directly to this job, but lead through a series of events, good and bad, that brought me to where I am.  
 
Focus on bad, and you will polarize your world that way.

Torque

8/10/2014 1:35:28 PM
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.

  
Boo said "
  
Spaghetti Monster said "......the answer does not lay with strictly producing and consuming only good news.  
 
It's important, I think, to keep abreast of what is happening around you in terms of negative things (crime waves, inclement weather, contagious illnesses , war etc. ) for obvious reasons, but to keep in mind that these things do not make up the whole of human existence . Rather the opposite.  
 
Like the man says " Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." (Jasper Friendly Bear )  
Then go on to adjust accordingly and bring a small measure of joy to your little corner of the world anyway.  
 
"

so much greed, dishonesty, rebelling against God, people wanting to do everything THEIR OWN WAY, God is allowing all this to happen... FOR NOW. Soon it will be all over and those who have listened, obeyed and believed, will be gone to be with Christ. Those who have rebelled, will stay here and face the greatest TERROR and HORROR ever.  
Believe me... it's coming faster than you think!!! "

And you can't wait, right? You can't wait for it all to be over and you can party forever with Jesus.  
 
If this life is just a waiting room as you clearly seem to imply, isn't this less of a reason to give a crap about everything around you?  
 
If I wrong someone, I have noone to blame but myself, I have to take responsiblity and make amends, not pray to some nebulous deity for vicarious redemption,some moral system that is.  
 
Maybe christians (as well as muslims and other religions) need to stop pining for the end and deal with the problems we have at hand.  
 
 
 
 
Edited by Torque, 2014-08-10 13:36:34

Spaghetti Monster

8/10/2014 1:59:00 PM
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sammy. b .....

.....I can assure you of two things. First, there are a great many things and people I care deeply about and second,though there are many who could not help but to take offence to your assumptions, ( not care about anything in life) I did not.

katwalk1909

8/10/2014 2:21:03 PM
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God and Caring

  
sammy.b said "This question you asked really something to actually sit and talk and debate about.. especially if you are religious. .because every religion would give you a different reason and thought and such.... and if you dont and n9t believe in God then you'd be like spaghetti monster and not care about anything in life.....  
No offense to you of course spaghetti "

You do not have to believe in a God to be a caring person. Many atheists and agnostics are very caring people and many that believe in a God think only of themselves and nobody else.  
 
Religion does not make you a caring person. Not believing in a god does not make you any less caring than those that believe. There is no causation correlation between believing and caring about others.  
 
This is one of the biggest problems with religions in that, if you do not have one, you must be Satan or some other low life not worthy of being alive. Being agnostic or an atheist does not remove the ability to care about others.  
 
 

coffeefeind

8/10/2014 5:02:37 PM
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I agee with the others

doesn't matter what the faith is , a higher power is within. yes there's a lot of bad in the world . there always will be . ying and yang . the bad keeps us humble and reminds us what can happen if we choose a path that would be distructive for us.  
 
I have experienced that if I send out positive vibes , I get same . or pay it foreward if you will !  
 
every morning we get a fresh start in life and a choice how we want our day to be . .and to leave this world a better place . even 1 person at a time !  
 
make peace with yourself first , and the rest will come !  

Rue

8/10/2014 6:11:35 PM
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another thing

  
Rue said "Higher power for good where is it ? With all the horrible things going on in the world or just in Brandon it sure makes it hard to believe in anything or have faith .Just wondering . "

How & why did bad things start I just don't understand how it all began how did evil thoughts even get in our mind murder ,molesting ,rape I could go on on.

Spaghetti Monster

8/10/2014 6:48:02 PM
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Re: Another thing!

The answer, in my view, as to how the so called "evil" thoughts and ideas get in our heads is very similar to the first answer I gave........it comes from within.  
 
Of course this has to be tempered with the society of the area, seasoned with the individual's life experience and thrown into the roiling cauldron that is the global culture and allowed to simmer.  
 
What is considered "evil " is subjective in so many ways.  
 

**monkeygirl**

8/10/2014 7:01:59 PM
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Good Deeds...

I had coffee today with a lady who I have looked up to since the day I met her a few years back, she is someone who has been through so much grief and mental pain, way more than some of us will ever experience in a lifetime.  
Today she told me how just over a year ago she had decided that before her next birthday she was going to match the number of her upcoming age to the number of good deeds she would make happen for random people, and added on top of that a few major goals. She said it was quite easy once she got going on the project, she did the normal things like paying for coffee in drive thrus, helping the elderly push their grocery carts through the snow, leaving early for work to pick up co workers whos cars wouldn't start, taking people for doctor appointments, buying groceries for friends she knew were going through a hard time, baking homemade goods and giving it all away to friends, etc... she told me how just seeing peoples eyes light up when she offered her help, or paid for their coffee was so rewarding , she said seeing the warm smiles from the people who appreciated her made it so much easier to think of the next good deed . All the time she was talking she was smiling , I could tell it was a life reward.. she said the whole experience has really opened her eyes to see how a little bit of kindness and care can do so much to change how someones feeling. She said out of all that she did for people only one of her goals didn't turn out how she had meant for it to be and she felt bad about it.  
There are some very good people in this world and I am so proud I know this lady ! She has always given her time to anyone who needs her, she has the most beautiful eyes and the prettiest smile that lights up the darkest room, or soul. She has shown me that even when life brings you down to always get back up and keep going, like she says.. it always gets better.  
I was still a bit curious when we were ready to leave, I knew I shouldn't but I asked anyway ... I needed to know... how many good deeds she actually did, she laughed and whispered , 52 ! But then she confessed... she was done a few mths early but continued till her birthday, so she says... hmmm maybe about 70 'ish in total ? I was in awe, WOW !!  
I couldn't wait to get home to tell my girlfriend about this talk, and we have decided that together we are going to combine our ages and do 50 good deeds this year !  
The good starts with US people.. Us !  
 
 
Edited by **monkeygirl**, 2014-08-10 19:20:08

ilovejesus

8/10/2014 7:41:59 PM
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because of Adam and eve....,

  
Rue said "
  
Rue said "Higher power for good where is it ? With all the horrible things going on in the world or just in Brandon it sure makes it hard to believe in anything or have faith .Just wondering . "

How & why did bad things start I just don't understand how it all began how did evil thoughts even get in our mind murder ,molesting ,rape I could go on on. "

Adam made the choice to go against what God told him not to do. From then on it, people do what they want, god gave us all a free will... To either follow him or reject him.

BlueRoses

8/10/2014 9:21:18 PM
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Edited by BlueRoses, 2014-08-10 21:23:25

BlueRoses

8/10/2014 9:23:51 PM
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Agree !!!

  
**monkeygirl** said " I had coffee today with a lady who I have looked up to since the day I met her a few years back, she is someone who has been through so much grief and mental pain, way more than some of us will ever experience in a lifetime.  
Today she told me how just over a year ago she had decided that before her next birthday she was going to match the number of her upcoming age to the number of good deeds she would make happen for random people, and added on top of that a few major goals. She said it was quite easy once she got going on the project, she did the normal things like paying for coffee in drive thrus, helping the elderly push their grocery carts through the snow, leaving early for work to pick up co workers whos cars wouldn't start, taking people for doctor appointments, buying groceries for friends she knew were going through a hard time, baking homemade goods and giving it all away to friends, etc... she told me how just seeing peoples eyes light up when she offered her help, or paid for their coffee was so rewarding , she said seeing the warm smiles from the people who appreciated her made it so much easier to think of the next good deed . All the time she was talking she was smiling , I could tell it was a life reward.. she said the whole experience has really opened her eyes to see how a little bit of kindness and care can do so much to change how someones feeling. She said out of all that she did for people only one of her goals didn't turn out how she had meant for it to be and she felt bad about it.  
There are some very good people in this world and I am so proud I know this lady ! She has always given her time to anyone who needs her, she has the most beautiful eyes and the prettiest smile that lights up the darkest room, or soul. She has shown me that even when life brings you down to always get back up and keep going, like she says.. it always gets better.  
I was still a bit curious when we were ready to leave, I knew I shouldn't but I asked anyway ... I needed to know... how many good deeds she actually did, she laughed and whispered , 52 ! But then she confessed... she was done a few mths early but continued till her birthday, so she says... hmmm maybe about 70 'ish in total ? I was in awe, WOW !!  
I couldn't wait to get home to tell my girlfriend about this talk, and we have decided that together we are going to combine our ages and do 50 good deeds this year !  
The good starts with US people.. Us !  
 
 
Edited by **monkeygirl**, 2014-08-10 19:20:08"

I know who you are talking about ! I just heard about a week ago through a friend what she had done through this past year, and we weren't surprised that she just carried on even though she had completed what she set out to do, she is a woman with a huge heart which is made of pure gold . Your description of her is spot on !! Thank you for sharing this heartfelt story, it's nice to know her contribution of "good deeds" has inspired you to do good too ! You are correct when you say that good starts with us !

Torque

8/11/2014 7:13:05 AM
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Boo said "
  
Rue said "
  
Rue said "Higher power for good where is it ? With all the horrible things going on in the world or just in Brandon it sure makes it hard to believe in anything or have faith .Just wondering . "

How & why did bad things start I just don't understand how it all began how did evil thoughts even get in our mind murder ,molesting ,rape I could go on on. "

Adam made the choice to go against what God told him not to do. From then on it, people do what they want, god gave us all a free will... To either follow him or reject him. "

That is nonsensical.  
 
Adam and Eve ate of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil". Which means that, until they ate the fruit, they couldnt know it was wrong.  
 
Do you see the problem here?  
 
Biblical stories are about the worst thing you can use to explain anything.

Rue

8/11/2014 8:19:37 AM
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Bible stories

They are so confusing one says this the other says that it just gives me a headache with me I just try to be the best I can with what I have less stress.

Abbysmum

8/11/2014 8:48:12 AM
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Ethos

  
Torque said "
  
Boo said "
  
Rue said "
  
Rue said "Higher power for good where is it ? With all the horrible things going on in the world or just in Brandon it sure makes it hard to believe in anything or have faith .Just wondering . "

How & why did bad things start I just don't understand how it all began how did evil thoughts even get in our mind murder ,molesting ,rape I could go on on. "

Adam made the choice to go against what God told him not to do. From then on it, people do what they want, god gave us all a free will... To either follow him or reject him. "

That is nonsensical.  
 
Adam and Eve ate of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil". Which means that, until they ate the fruit, they couldnt know it was wrong.  
 
Do you see the problem here?  
 
Biblical stories are about the worst thing you can use to explain anything. "

The story of Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is foundational to Judeo-Christian Ethos as well as to the Islamic faith.  
 
Whether or not it produced an actual, physical change to the human person (i.e. they suddenly gained knowledge they did not previously possess) is not central to the story.  
 
The whole point of the story is that the Devil promised humanity that eating the forbidden fruit would make them "like God", and instead of obeying God we took the bait. It was our desire to be "like God" that dramatically changed our orientation and our relationship with the Creator. They knew darn well that it was wrong, because they had to convince themselves first (oh my, yes that fruit does look good!) but did it anyway.  
 
To answer the OP, like others have pointed out it basically boils down to the actions of others. We all have the capacity to do good and to do evil, whatever it is that you believe in. We are not automotons, and our ability to make choices for ourselves is intrinsic to human dignity.  
 
Although as I as explaining to my husband the other day, who decides what is good, and what is evil when religion is removed from the equation?

CommonTater

8/11/2014 9:03:26 AM
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Context

One also has to consider that the same action might be seen as good or evil depending on the context. Also, two people may see acts differently based on their perspective. Is one of them always right or wrong.

familyoffour

8/11/2014 9:10:09 AM
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higher consciousness

rather then believing in this idea that there is a higher "power" humans needs to find within themselves a state of higher consciousness. god and the devil, heaven and hell, are excuses for us to do good or bad things, the fact is there are good people and there are bad people, there always will be. its gotten to the point now that nobody cares. the good people need to come together and make the difference the world needs now more then ever. there used to be rules in war: dont kill doctors, dont attack hospitals, kids are off limits, etc. those are all out the window now. children, babies, and mothers are being murdered in gaza and iraq. this needs to stop. its not ok and for anyone to still believe "its gods way" you need to wake up.

katwalk1909

8/11/2014 9:37:18 AM
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Who Cares What Adam Did

Today's situation has nothing to do with what Adam may or may not have done thousands of years ago. To continue to blame him means you are not yet mature enough to accept responsibility for your own actions today.  
 
Today is the result of your decisions. You have total control over your decisions and they do not have anything to do with what is written about what people did thousands of years ago. Lion King had a good scene about letting the past go and focus on today towards building a better tomorrow.  
 
Today, will you choose to be a positive person or search out the negative? Will you try to control other people that have different opinions or open your mind and listen to those points of view. If their point of view has nothing to do with your life, will you insist that they change their opinion to match yours (i.e., same-sex marriage, abortion, rights of women, etc.) or will you let people live their lives as they see fit?  
 
When making a decision, will you consider, "what's in it for me?" or "what is the right thing to do?" Will you do a good dead and expect immediate repayment or are you willing to wait for the forces of the universe to arrange for someone else to pay it forward in your direction a few years down the road? What does the higher power within you tell you to do? Are you able to hear that higher power or do you still just listen to the "me first" child?  
 

JR

8/11/2014 11:25:07 AM
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...

Sorry, but if you are being a good person because of your belief that your god or a higher power will punish you with everlasting torture otherwise, then you are not being a good person for the right reasons.  
 
I am a good person because it is the right thing to do. I do it because I care, not because I'm afraid of god's wrath. I understand that this is the only life we have and if we want to make it worthwhile, we must help others, if only to help ourselves.  
 
I raised my children to be good people. They care about others - not out of fear but because they genuinely care.  
 
This is my legacy. I will be remembered by my children and friends as a kind person. I'm not motivated by a higher power or by fear of punishment. I just know the difference between right and wrong, and behaviour motivated by fear of punishment is not right.

 
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