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hijinx

8/10/2014 6:31:14 PM
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True Crime Canada-Tim McLean

Anyone see Inside the Bus 1170 Case? It was about Tim McLean. Any thoughts?  
 
Edited by hijinx, 2014-08-10 18:40:34

 
 
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A.G.

8/10/2014 6:33:30 PM
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What channel is it on?

hijinx

8/10/2014 6:37:09 PM
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CBC

I believe. I don"t know if you can watch it online or not. I had it on my dvr and just watched it.

hijinx

8/10/2014 6:39:21 PM
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Vince Li

Was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005. A condition he left UNTREATED!!!!!

luvmykids

8/10/2014 7:00:56 PM
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If this link doesn't work, just Google True Crime Canada.  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/true-crime-canada/inside-the-bus-1170-case

Ryan_M

8/10/2014 7:57:09 PM
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hijinx said "Was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005. A condition he left UNTREATED!!!!! "

He's schizophrenic, Why would we assume he would make rational choices about his treatment?  
 
Alcoholics make the wrong choices about their treatment all the time, so do people with diabetes and heart disease, along with many, many other people who are not mentally ill but still choose to go against doctors orders.  
 
 
Why would we expect anything different?

luvmykids

8/10/2014 9:40:44 PM
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Ryan_M said "
  
hijinx said "Was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005. A condition he left UNTREATED!!!!! "

He's schizophrenic, Why would we assume he would make rational choices about his treatment?  
 
Alcoholics make the wrong choices about their treatment all the time, so do people with diabetes and heart disease, along with many, many other people who are not mentally ill but still choose to go against doctors orders.  
 
 
Why would we expect anything different? "

I think there is a huge difference!  
 
If an alcoholic gets behind the wheel and kills someone, they're held responsible.  
 
If someone with diabetes, heart disease, etc., chooses to go against Dr.'s orders the only one they hurt is themselves.  
 
Vince Li was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005. There is no reason that with all of the resources available in Canada, this couldn't have possibly been prevented. If you watch this episode, his Dr. even says that Vince Li admitted to knowing that he killed Tim with his own hands, and was asking for punishment.  
 
Edited by luvmykids, 2014-08-10 21:49:00

blanket

8/10/2014 10:03:47 PM
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Luvmykids

I would like to know where all the resources are in canada that are available? I used to agree with your statement, but now that I have a family member who requires these resources I know better.

Ryan_M

8/10/2014 10:10:59 PM
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There is a huge difference.  
 
 
Most people knowingly disobey Dr's orders. Vince Li is mentally ill. For all we know Pappa smurf told him to do it.  
 
 
The mentally ill are (shocking, I know) MENTALLY ILL.  
 
 
They (by definition) don't know what they're doing.  
 
 
We need a better solution that hoping that they will take their meds.  
 
 
 
I'm not defending him...I'm criticizing the system.

Matt1982

8/10/2014 11:24:55 PM
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and if

We have a dog that we cannot control or don't know when/if it will attack someone and it finally does....what happens?it gets put down  

Ray Y.

8/11/2014 7:12:28 AM
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@ katak101

Very poor choice of analogies.  
A person with M/I has little choice/s when it comes to diagnosis and treatment. Then have to deal with advise from Dr.'s, hospitals and persons they know. Coupled with medication and once feeling better having doubts about whether they have the need to continue with the treatment.  
Frequently, persons suffering with M/I commit suicide because dealing with a Mental Illness can be very taxing and they give up on everything.  
To suggest they should be put down is a sad state to how "most" people view persons with any M/I.  
I know I am affected by a person with Schizophrenia and yes I have done my research on this illness due to there not being enough information out there for families to cope and deal with this horrible illness.

don brown

8/11/2014 7:15:59 AM
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katak101

Yes, but we're not dogs. Also to add to that, have you ever seen a grown adult pushed just a bit to far by children, co workers, family or just stressed out by life when they snap, or how about a new mother who is suffering from PPD and just breaks down and cries for what many would say there is no apparent reason, are you suggesting that these people also be put down when stress, or chemical and hormonal changes cause them problems.  
 
People may or may not agree with me, but in life sometimes sh*t happens, and at times it can be traumatic and horrific, but it still happens. We could all live wondering if every person we meet was about to snap, or was entertaining thoughts of suicide or homicide, but that would make life pretty unlivable in my opinion.  
 
We have a pretty good medical system in our country, but there has never been much emphasis put on mental health and there have been many other instances where mental problems(not the best term) have caused traumatic events.

Brenda..

8/11/2014 7:28:32 AM
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blanket said "I would like to know where all the resources are in canada that are available? I used to agree with your statement, but now that I have a family member who requires these resources I know better. "

I too would like to know where all the resources are in this country. When I was diagnosed with a mental illness it took me four months to see a specialist. Who knows what could have happened in those four months.

Ray Y.

8/11/2014 7:54:07 AM
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The Internet is your Friend,

Researching M/I can be very consuming, and knowing the specific M/I can help you in your search.  
Knowing the treatment and understanding it can again assist you when doing your research and first hand experience will definitely assist you again.  
Don't let anyone tell you your wasting your time, because this can be very therapeutic to the person doing the research due to you wanting to achieve a goal and being focused on your task.  

grease_monkey

8/11/2014 9:27:39 AM
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scary

A couple of weeks ago an RCMP officer killed himself because he was dealing with issues he had after seeing vince lee do what he did on the bus that night. From what I ve heard a lot of people who were are on that bus that night are dealing with mental illness now. Very sad

Jaxon

8/11/2014 10:38:17 AM
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This discussion

just makes a huge case for our country to bring back mental hospital institutionalization. Because if as you say the mentally ill cannot be held responsible for their bad decision making then our society needs to protect the innocent by locking up these dangerous individuals!

valia

8/11/2014 12:06:59 PM
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Mental instutions

I agree that we should rethink institutionalization. Many people living on the streets suffer from mental illness of one form or another. Alcohol drugs are taken to help cope with mental illness. Mental illness is on the rise and we had better think of a better way to help people. The system is not working!

Doug

8/11/2014 4:16:01 PM
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True

  
blanket said "I would like to know where all the resources are in canada that are available? I used to agree with your statement, but now that I have a family member who requires these resources I know better. "

True but resources or not unless the individual asks for help or does something screwy that throws him/her in jail all family members and those that can help have their hands tied. Been there and tried to get help. The help was there but rights are rights.  
 
Charter rights rule. I am not saying that there is enough help to go around but no one can force help on anyone in this country. Even if everyone sees the need and those that need help are on the authorities radar.  
 
As far the help- well sometimes we need to move to where the help is. Help can not be offered everywhere. The rural/Urban split shows its ugly face here.  
Resources are there but not where they may need to be.  
 

Spades!!

8/11/2014 4:52:35 PM
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Please be careful with this topic....

I sense the direction of the discussion lumping all people with mental illness as the same, hence all are dangerous.  
 
This is far from the truth. Mental illness is an umbrella term that encompasses a wide range of illness. Like with diabetes, not everyone needs insulin. Not all are 'dangerous', if you want to put it this way.  
 
Just felt the need to clarify.

melbourne

8/11/2014 5:31:32 PM
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Apr 2014
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commitment

the person signing the piece of paper to release this guy back into public should be agreeing to give his own life if this turns out bad.


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