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GVC

11/9/2014 9:52:38 AM
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Shoppers Mall Holiday Magic- before or after Remembrance Day?

It is too bad that Shoppers Mall Brandon doesn't respect Remembrance Day. We are a community that has such close relationships ties with a nearby Military Base and they held their "Holiday Magic Event" that included Christmas decorations, carolers and an elf. Too early Westman! Business owners are wanting everyone to shop local and not go down to the states or Winnipeg for shopping...show some respect to the military community, veterans and their families.

Edited by admin, 2014-11-09 10:11:26. Reason: Title update

 
 
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cmore

11/9/2014 9:58:51 AM
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Holiday Magic

I would assume by the name would be all about Christmas and shopping early with possible bargains. Did you attend this event?

Doug

11/9/2014 10:03:12 AM
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Agree

While I agree 100 percent with the recent push to start xmas "stuff" after November 11, I suggest it is only a recent push.  
 
Five years ago or less it was never a issue. Last year it flared up and this year it is a big issue and it should be.  
 
In hind site it is common sense. Respect the day and the period of time it represents.  
 
I am only talking xmas lights and decorations for individuals. Stores can have all the sales they want as we need to buy lights and stuff for xmas. In store decorating( or entire mall) should wait. Fire up the decorations Nov 12th.  
 
 

Opinionated

11/9/2014 10:05:14 AM
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omg

How many threads about this will there be?? Christmas has NOTHING to do with Remembrance Day!! There is nothing disrespectful about it! Remembrance Day is November 11th.  
 
In fact, my nephew who is a CADET was selling the Holiday Magic tickets to raise money for CADETS! I guess that means you were disrespecting the Military by NOT purchasing a ticket.  
 
People around these parts really need to learn to live and live, and stop shoving your beliefs down everyone's throats. What is disrespectful to you may not be to others, so feel free to not participate, but quit trying to take away the freedoms these men fought for!!!

saltnpepper

11/9/2014 10:06:13 AM
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Really!!!!

I am getting so tired of this every year. Are we not intelligent enough to be able to multi-task. I am quite able to start decorating outside for Christmas and shop if I wish and then take the time out to honour the veterans on Remembrance Day. Who are you to dictate what I can or cannot do.

Spaghetti Monster

11/9/2014 10:07:23 AM
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BRAVO!

Bravo to the folks at Shopper 's Mall for not bowing to ridiculous notions of what it means to show respect re Remembrance Day.

saltnpepper

11/9/2014 10:09:00 AM
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Mocha said "It is too bad that Shoppers Mall Brandon doesn't respect Remembrance Day. We are a community that has such close relationships ties with a nearby Military Base and they held their "Holiday Magic Event" that included Christmas decorations, carolers and an elf. Too early Westman! Business owners are wanting everyone to shop local and not go down to the states or Winnipeg for shopping...show some respect to the military community, veterans and their families. "

Did you attend this event?

Wintrman

11/9/2014 10:11:18 AM
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Ya got it wrong buds

This is an annual event that goes on to help a local charity. They do an awesome job of their support and offer some folks some great deals.  
 
Having said that, I agree with your sentiment that Christmas shopping and everything that goes with it comes earlier and earlier every year and we need to support our military community in many ways. I do think we need to have special events, other than Remembrance Day, that can commercially help us to support the Legion who in turn support our Veterans. A special, commercial event to generate funds for programs that the Legion supports would be an awesome thing. There are Vets out there that so urgently need the support of the programs and finances that the Legion perpetuate and generate on a regular basis.  
 
Sadly, our Veterans are fewer and fewer every year. Yes, I am talking about the men and women who fought in conflicts since WW II. They need the support of folks who would volunteer to help these Veterans and the Legion as well.  
 
Thanks for reminding us how important it is to remember the sacrifice and the courage our Vets. Picking on the event at the Shoppers Mall, though, is simply a distraction from the real issue behind your statement...a growing number of people that don't remember the deeds and valor of our Veterans at Remembrance Day.  
 

hobbes

11/9/2014 10:26:54 AM
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Mocha said "

It is too bad that Shoppers Mall Brandon doesn't respect Remembrance Day. We are a community that has such close relationships ties with a nearby Military Base and they held their "Holiday Magic Event" that included Christmas decorations, carolers and an elf. Too early Westman! Business owners are wanting everyone to shop local and not go down to the states or Winnipeg for shopping...show some respect to the military community, veterans and their families.

Edited by admin, 2014-11-09 10:11:26. Reason: Title update"


" Business owners are wanting everyone to shop local and not go down to the states or Winnipeg for shopping..."  
 
Gee. I guess maybe that is another great reason to hold an event like this...BEFORE everyone jumps the border.

L4593

11/9/2014 10:39:32 AM
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This topic is really getting old already. For decades now retailers have started putting out their Christmas merchandise after Halloween was over. This is not a new concept at all. It's only been in the last few years that people have latched onto this notion that anything to do with Christmas before Remembrance Day is disrespectful for some reason. If you don't like the stores having Christmas merchandise out so early, then protest by not buying anything before December 24th and don't push your ideals onto the rest of us by making Remembrance Day your scapegoat. Just because you feel it's offensive doesn't make you right.

yosamiti

11/9/2014 11:02:09 AM
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Veterans

Let me clear the air on a few things. A veteran is anyone who has served in the armed forces and had a trade for more than 3 years. There will be new faces of veterans very soon, young and older. Yes, the legion does many things outside of remembrance day for example, decoration day, military appreciation day at the legion and so forth. And, lets not forget the army,navy and air force club.  
Christmas has been celebrated in many ways for thousands of years. Remembrance should be a national holiday in 2015. An ndp member presented a private bill in the house of commons to declare remembrance day a national holiday once again, it will pass.  
Let's get on with life and remember the men and women who fought before us and continue to serve, to keep Canada safe and free. And, be thankfully that all children can go to school and no bombs sirens going off and you have to drop to the ground and hope it does not hit you.  
It is not disrespectful to have christmas decorations up before remembance day.

Popgoestheweasel

11/9/2014 11:09:43 AM
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Mocha it is too bad you are so hypocritical! Clearly based on your knowledge of what occurred at the event, you bought a ticket and attended. I don't believe that you bought the ticket and attended because you thought holiday magic was referring to the magic of the Remembrance Day holiday. If you truley believe this event is disrespectful then you shouldn't have attended it.

SoccerChick7

11/9/2014 11:13:43 AM
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Holiday magic

As already stated, this is a yearly event. The reason why it was so early this year is because last year it was scheduled too close to Black Friday and had a poor turnout.

justbreathe

11/9/2014 12:59:45 PM
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holiday magic

Personally I feel its just too early to be excited about Christmas just yet. A month and a half lead up to one day? Don't get me wrong, I love Christmas. But for me (and my family) the season doesn't start until December.  
 
I think holiday magic at the mall is a great fundraiser with the proceeds going to local charities is great. Could they of waited until maybe Santa's arrival at the mall and made a huge day of it? Yeah maybe.  
 
There's seems to be a huge issue with Christmas before remberence day. Why not start campaigning to make the days between Halloween and Nov.11. Days of honour? Each day celebrates a different conflict that Canadian forces have fought in eg: ww1&2, Afghanistan, women in Service day, family day. At the end will be the services for Nov.11. That way its very clear what should come first. Or just live and let live and leave it be.

Spaghetti Monster

11/9/2014 1:25:36 PM
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In regards to.....

>:>:>:>:>: Why not start campaigning to make the days between Halloween and Nov.11. Days of honour? Each day celebrates a different conflict that Canadian forces have fought in eg: ww1&2, Afghanistan, women in Service day, family day. At the end will be the services for Nov.11.  
 
Not a bad idea. We could include a day for all the fine folks who put their lives on the line to protect our way of life, local police and RCMP included.  
 
The thing is,even if your idea takes root and comes to fruition, it would still be an insult to all those who put their lives on the live to protect our way of life to then turn around and start to dictate how people should act in this regard.  
 
People show respect in their own way. Or they do not care. It's that simple. While there are those who believe they SHOULD care, in the end that is irrelevant to the issue because we live in a relatively free society. A society we have because there are those who are willing to put their lives on the line to protect it. As sad as it makes some people it is a way of life which, by extension, includes the right to not give a dam.  
 
Instead of having the yearly " Respect Off " in which people insist they show the most respect because they ( insert action here ) I would suggest every one just continue to live the change they want to see and mind their own P's and Q's.  
 
See you at the Legion.  
 
Edited by Spaghetti Monster, 2014-11-09 13:26:22

Trevor B

11/9/2014 1:45:11 PM
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like really another thread about how in some way it's disrespectful!! No one has ever said why or how it's disrespectable, other than personal opinion that it is. Just because you don't like the fact that Christmas shopping is starting early DOES NOT make it disrespectful!  
 
Can anyone show that those who are setting up, shopping or anything else related to Christmas are not otherwise showing respect for Remembrance Day?

CaitlinZ

11/9/2014 3:32:18 PM
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You do realize that many people start Christmas shopping in th fall and summer and some even not long after Christmas, trying to spread out purchases so they can afford a nice Christmas without going into debt. So it would make sense to have Holiday Magic early to get all the early shoppers, I also doubt the mall would want to do it in December because then they would have to turn away the many shoppers who didn't buy tickets but need to buy presents close to Christmas.  
 
I don't see how decorating before Rememberance Day is disrespectful and I don't see why people get so bothered about other people celebrating Christmas early. How does it affect you? While we don't start decorating until the very end of November/ beginning of December im already getting in the Christmas mood and bought my first present already and planned out a few others.

ALTER

11/9/2014 4:52:38 PM
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O.F.F.S.

This 'disrespect' issue is the only thing about this that is disrespectful to veterans who fought for your right to have an opinion, not to shove it down everybody's throat.  
 
Sounds a lot like Hitler, Stalin, Putin, Kim Jong-un who tell you what to think.  
 
Proud child of veterans  
Proud spouse of veteran

Trevor B

11/9/2014 5:39:50 PM
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No one

has give any reasonable explanation as to how Christmas decorations, lights and shopping equals disrespecting Veterans and current serving members.  
 

justbreathe

11/9/2014 5:48:30 PM
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misunderstanding?

Maybe sometimes people use the word "disrespectful" when what they really mean to say is, do not simply gloss over rememberence day as an obstacle to Christmas. Still pause and reflect.  
 
Also on a side note I saw on Facebook a post by a military wife saying turning on Christmas lights before rememberence day was disrespectful of those who's loved ones wont be returning home for the holidays. I don't know if this is where the belief started or if its totally out in left field but thought I'd put it out there for discussion ...

HighTechRedneck

11/9/2014 6:02:41 PM
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I asked the same question

  
Trevor B said "has give any reasonable explanation as to how Christmas decorations, lights and shopping equals disrespecting Veterans and current serving members.  
 
"

And I asked on a discussion here.  
 
Christmas decorations VS. Remembrance Day.  
 
And I believe the answer I got was that Remembrance Day is a somber event, and Christmas lights, decorations etc. takes away from that.  
 

AndreaD.

11/9/2014 6:24:04 PM
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no...

No, I do not think it is disrespectful at all to prepare for Christmas before Rememberence Day. Nor do I believe the Holiday Magic is disrespectful either. Holiday Magic is giving to others and supporting charities. Christmas is about giving and family. Rememberence Day is about honouring veterans. Every veterans is somebody's family and loved one.  
I personally like the connection of having both linked. It is kind of a reminder for me that the sacrifice it monumental and selfless. For myself, the aspect of Christmas and family and Jesus's sacrifice (yes, I believe in God...get over it) only highlights and brings clear the sacrifice and caring and love these veterans feel for this country and all those who dwell here.  
Christmas is also a time to remember those we love. I think deeply of the veterans who sacrifice in all capacities on Rememberance Day, but I also think of all of the loved ones who sacrifice with them. I think about that because of Christmas.  
Christmas makes me focus on these veterans as people, not just a uniform or a sacrifice. I remember these veterans as living breathing people. The young guy with a sense of humour who can make his injured comrade smile despite the pain: the husband who has deep thoughts and feelings he writes in letters to his family that hopefully will never be posted...just in case he doesn't come home: the funny dad who teaches his little girl to ride a bike because he has two weeks leave: the mom who makes smiley faced baloney sandwiches but knows she may not be around to see those kids graduate. I remember the families who never will have their loved ones at Christmas again. And I remember those families who are extra grateful to have their loved ones come home for good.  
I remember and think of and contemplate and empathize with all of those veterans and families in the past who have given up so much because they believed this country and the people in it are worth the sacrifice. Because they seen a wrong and were brave enough to stand up and set themselves in dangers way to stop tyranny and wrong no matter the cost. I think of those who came home with the scars and wounds...both physical and psychological. I think of those who never came home at all...and hope they at least had a good friend and comrade with them in their final moments.  
So no, I don't think Christmas a disrespectful to veterans. I don't think there is any disharmony in the seasons, the spirit of giving, thinking of others, and wishing for peace on earth. As a matter of fact, I can see more reason to link the two rather than drive a wedge between the two holidays. But that is just my own personal beliefs and feelings.  
 
 
 
 
 
Edited by AndreaD., 2014-11-09 18:34:44

ICYMI

11/10/2014 6:57:09 AM
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Trevor B said "has give any reasonable explanation as to how Christmas decorations, lights and shopping equals disrespecting Veterans and current serving members.  
 
"

It can't be provided because it is not.  
 
http://www.camh.ca/en/hospital/about_camh/newsroom/for_reporters/Pages/addictionmentalhealthstatistics.aspx  
 
In any given year, one in five Canadians experiences a mental health or addiction problem.

Montyy

11/10/2014 8:18:57 AM
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Everybody will have their differing opinions

so im not sure what the point is of posting these discussions. I for one think Christmas is over much to quickly and i love seeing the lights and decorations up, gets you into the spirit of Christmas I don't look at those decorations and think oh my goodness they don't respect our troops. To some that is disrespectful, i just don't see what you accomplish by starting a big debate about it. Because like i said, everybody will have a different opinion. Lights, decorations, etc are not hurting anyone, and i would bet money that those people attend services, or take a moment on Rememberance Day.

hebs

11/10/2014 9:45:27 AM
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Rememberance Day

If Rememberance Day cannot stand on it's own and things have to be put off until a certain day, then we have a real problem as a community!!!  

Adam

11/10/2014 10:21:02 AM
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Mall Magic

Between this thread and the Christmas Lights thread one thing that really stands out to me is the contrast from debates that have gone on in the past. In other years the conversation has been whether we should even have an entire day as a statutory holiday for this purpose and now we have conversation that's going the complete polar opposite direction and we have some people suggesting expanding the scope of the day further.  
 
Personally I feel we have it exactly right. Its easy to forget just how much life can change during times of war and just how much it can change permanently depending on the outcome of those wars. Having the 11th to observe and reflect on sacrifices that have been and continue to be made for our way of life I find is really important to keep overall perspective and to not forget why we have it so good in this country. How life is lived before or after 11/11 or any of the other 364 days of the year shouldn't change how you feel about those sacrifices or how you remember, reflect and respect.  
 
As far as Mall Magic, I haven’t heard how things went this year and have never been myself but the event really seems to have quickly become a pretty big deal on the calendar in Brandon. The single-digit days of November do seem just a little bit early for me personally to be thinking about holiday shopping en masse. That said the holiday season is about to come fast and furious. Santa Parade this weekend and then its a mad dash to Dec 25. In a way what the mall is doing by having the event this early is "scooping" the Santa Parade as the kickoff to the season, and as a Mall that isn't the worst position to be in!  
 
 
Edited by Adam, 2014-11-10 10:32:04

RMJK

11/10/2014 12:26:55 PM
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Rememberance Day

Who makes up these rules of what is appropriate and what is not? I am a former soldier honorably served in the Artillery. I don't think celebrating Christmas at this time is disrespectful at all. Your priorities are mixed up. Stop ranting about your beliefs. What matters is that you wear the poppy and that you remember the fallen and our current service members.

plus zero

11/10/2014 3:59:12 PM
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i have brothers serving in the army for many many years and never mentioned how people are not respecting remembrance day so why make a big fuss about it when they don't.

Livindedgrl

11/10/2014 4:24:01 PM
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uhhh actually

Ummm... Target had their Christmas decorations out the same time they put out their Halloween costumes, and i thought that was a little much..but what do you expect from a American company....  
Yes, it's sad how everyone is pretty much distracted by Christmas literally two months beforehand, but what can i say are society has made Christmas a money grabbing consumer holiday, that's not even about tradition anymore.  
I wish they wouldn't just put out Christmas like they are, but what can anybody do but start a petition?  
 
Really, i just hope people just respect November 11th as Remembrance Day, and not go Christmas shopping for just one day.  
It seems the only people that take this day seriously are military families or people that respect the military and their sacrifice, but no putting up decorations isn't disrespectful, but not RESPECTING THE DAY IS.

Trevor B

11/10/2014 5:19:13 PM
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How do

  
Jenn Theriault said "Ummm... Target had their Christmas decorations out the same time they put out their Halloween costumes, and i thought that was a little much..but what do you expect from a American company....  
Yes, it's sad how everyone is pretty much distracted by Christmas literally two months beforehand, but what can i say are society has made Christmas a money grabbing consumer holiday, that's not even about tradition anymore.  
I wish they wouldn't just put out Christmas like they are, but what can anybody do but start a petition?  
 
Really, i just hope people just respect November 11th as Remembrance Day, and not go Christmas shopping for just one day.  
It seems the only people that take this day seriously are military families or people that respect the military and their sacrifice, but no putting up decorations isn't disrespectful, but not RESPECTING THE DAY IS. "

you know know who's not respecting the day and who is? Just because someone goes shopping does not instantly mean they don't respect Remembrance Day.

 
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