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prairie_grl

1/11/2016 11:38:31 AM
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Commercial Development

What would you like to see go into the new South Brandon Village? How about a REAL Rona or a Chapters, may be Urban Planet? Wonder if Costco would build there or on the other side of #10? Either way this could be another blow to the Brandon Shoppers Mall...can they survive this to?  
 
 
http://www.collierscanada.com/10476#

 
 
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CatMan

1/11/2016 11:52:27 AM
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A Casino!

Move the money-losing one from Carberry to Brandon, add a hotel.  
Location, location, location.....

Abbysmum

1/11/2016 1:14:26 PM
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LOL

Speaking of Costco, I saw my mom (who lives in Winnipeg)the other week. She was all breathless and excited because she knows someone who does produce deliveries to Costco in Winnipeg.  
 
"Oh," she said, "did you know Costco in Brandon is a done deal?"  
 
I laughed and laughed and laughed, and then told her if I had a dollar every time I heard or read that since moving here 10 years ago....

prairie_grl

1/11/2016 2:20:22 PM
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when in wpg

a few months ago renewing my membership they wanted me to up-grade my card and I said only if your coming to Brandon. She said that once Wpg had a Costco in all 4 corners of the city they would build in Brandon. LOL and when will that be? Supposedly Costco is under construction now in the north end! I still didn't up-grade!

sweetsopi

1/11/2016 7:20:44 PM
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proposed hotel and convention centre

It was mentioned in the link above, what are the details on this?

CelticDreamer

1/11/2016 7:43:34 PM
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Jun 2013
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Home Decor

I personally would love to see a home decor shop like Bed, Bath, and Beyond: Home Outfitters, or JYSK. Just moved to a new place and there's not many options in Brandon for things like shower curtains or new bedding.

Abbysmum

1/11/2016 8:40:06 PM
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I'm with you

  
CelticDreamer said "I personally would love to see a home decor shop like Bed, Bath, and Beyond: Home Outfitters, or JYSK. Just moved to a new place and there's not many options in Brandon for things like shower curtains or new bedding. "

but sadly I can't see us getting anything like that. We're simply not big enough.  
 
Too bad too. My last 3 trips into Winnipeg has involved me spending money at IKEA.

grandmaB

1/12/2016 12:30:10 AM
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We don't need

a casino.....too many people complaining about the high cost of living here but yet they seem to have money to waste at a casino. I for one will not be giving any more money to the government! What I would like to see is another independent living for seniors like the Hobbs Manor or the Lion's Manor...there is such a waiting list at both places and even though there is the new one, I really don't think I'm willing to pay that kind of money that they are asking. I don't know why we would need more condominium's because they can't even sell what is on the market right now. Maybe another trailer park so people can afford to buy manufactured homes....cheaper than buying a house costing over $400,000.00....Costco....but I'm not holding my breath on that rumor that has been flying around again lol. Do we really need more restaurants....maybe an affordable family restaurant. Toys-r-us....again not holding my breath on that either. Home Sense....yes...Bath and Beyond....another one where I won't hold my breath on.

Fishin Guy

1/12/2016 7:08:23 AM
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....

How about industry? We have and are close to Winnipeg that we have whatever we want within 2hrs. We need good paying jobs coming to this city. Min wage jobs in retail and food just don't cut it. Skilled jobs is what I think we need.

garden123

1/12/2016 9:29:42 AM
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Costco

The shape and size of that one building looks like a Costco... What else would fit in there with that shape and size? I hope we get an old navy in either the mall or the new plaza.

foxtrot11

1/12/2016 10:46:18 AM
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Feb 2009
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Something is Off

I am not sure what is going on to scare new retail and business away, but something is, and I do not think it is just an arbitrary number that they have before they will look at development in an area. (ie Red Loster will not consider a market that is under 500,000 people, etc)  
 
Costco has gone so far as to have a job fair (amongst their own employees first) to hire for our location. What I do know for sure is they did have the brakes on them moving to Brandon because there are "like size" communities in North America that have Costcos that are not doing well and apparently they were doing more studies. I am not sure which markets they are comparing to ours, but if you look at place like Fargo ND with a city population of 116,000 people, and Okotoks, AB with a city population of 24,000 people (and a VERY busy Costco), Brandon should be a no brainer. According to the 2011 census the trading area Brandon serves is over 180,000 - that is well below what it is estimated at today as the Chamber last said it is closer to 260,000. Not to mention how freaking busy the Winnipeg store always are - they have three stores for approx 750,000 residents and they are insanely busy all the time.  
 
Then you look at Old Navy. They had - two Christmases ago - the management staff for the Brandon location hired and in training. That store was set to go, though my friend who worked in upper management would not tell me where at the time (she has since left them so I lost my link to info). Something happened to make that fall through too - when they already had staff hired and they pulled the plug??  
 
It could have been the whole Sobeys/Safeway/Target debacle that all happened within a year of each other - perhaps ON decided to wait it out for better real estate knowing all that was coming down the line.  
 
Something is happening to make these companies think twice about Brandon. I am very curious to know what the issue is. Is our local government placing ridiculous demands on these companies? Are they doing something to make it unattractive to build in Brandon? Could they seriously be scared at the prospect of building in a city that has a multi million dollar retail division built in a flood plain that was closed for 6 weeks in 2011? I can't see that, but some people from Winnipeg had the idea that Brandon completely shut down during that flood. There really are some misconceptions.  
 
Is the old boys club mentality (which is still very prevalent here) scaring them off? When the majority of strip malls and developments are owned by select few people, is that unattractive to prospective businesses?  
 
Is it the consumers themselves? Are they seeing that people flock to Walmart and Dollarama enough to make companies think we are too cheap in this area to bother with higher end offerings? (Not a fair comparison because there IS NO ALTERNATIVE to the bloody place, unless we go to Winnipeg....) Not to mention everything is made overseas now anyway.  
 
I read a study a short time ago about incomes and money distribution in various areas of Canada. Yes, Western Manitoba has a lot of lower income families, but there is a strange proportion of families out here that have a lot of cash too. Sure the richest people in Canada may be in the big centres like TO and Vancouver, but there is a lot of money in our neck of the woods to be tapped. Maybe it is our proximity to Winnipeg and the US that scares them off - if people are willing to negate their time to drive to the US or Wpg to buy everything, why would anyone bother to set up shop here? And now with online shopping growing, who knows.  
 
I am sure some of these companies have teams of researchers spending huge amounts of time and money to research these moves, but I am quite interested to see why our area is not more enticing.

Shasta2013

1/12/2016 12:28:30 PM
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Mar 2013
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New stores

"Chapters" please and a much larger "Giant Tiger", both hopefully with decent parking accesses.  

grandmaB

1/12/2016 1:32:17 PM
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Jan 2012
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I know who

you are talking about....I believe that the city and the stores...to name a few here in Brandon have a say as to who comes and goes...especially when it comes to groceries....They need competition here and if they want Brandon to build, grow and attract more people to come here then they have start letting in stores like Costco etc. They always say shop locally but most people go where it is cheaper to shop if needed. I agree we also need an industry to come in to create more high paying jobs...what kind of industry....don't know...I think the city of Brandon has to start doing their homework as to what people want and need!!!! Just my opinion.

Adam

1/12/2016 3:01:34 PM
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Aug 2008
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140,790

  
garden123 said "The shape and size of that one building looks like a Costco... What else would fit in there with that shape and size? I hope we get an old navy in either the mall or the new plaza. "


Take it for what it's worth, and that's probably not very much, but the average Costco size is said to be 143,800 sqft as per http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=83830&p=irol-homeprofile. The largest anchor tenant spot on the plan for this development is showing at 140,790 sqft.

While we're completely speculating, you'd have to consider this development another candidate should things ever fall into place:
http://www.ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=921927&cat_id=7

AG12

1/13/2016 10:50:45 AM
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Oct 2010
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link

as per link that Adam has on his post. Looks like Costco falls under the sq.ft that the commercial development is planned for. The average size is bigger, but looks like there are Costco that are bit smaller.  
 
IMO Costco is making a mistake by not coming in Brandon sooner.  

ronfay

1/13/2016 10:57:49 AM
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Oct 2006
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What's scaring off retail development?

I think the answer is simple: online shopping. There has been a great increase in online shopping from even five years ago, and those sales are coming from somewhere. If bricks and mortar stores like Chapters are seeing a drop in the people entering the stores, even if those same people are buying from them online, it's only logical that the criteria for building stores will be changed - ie. need more population than was acceptable before.

winterstorm15

1/13/2016 1:36:55 PM
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Apr 2015
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commerical development

We have moved here from Ontario and we find the lack of shopping in Brandon quite a mystery as well. For a city that serves such a big population there isn't much here. The few available stores here are always busy so there must be a need for for shopping in this area.  
 
Edited by winterstorm15, 2016-01-13 13:38:10

AG12

1/13/2016 3:53:26 PM
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Oct 2010
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online

Online shopping is quite popular nowadays, especially for cities like Brandon.  
Taking my own experience. I buy stuff from Old Navy all the time. I find the Old Navy stores in Winnipeg an absolute mess. You can never find what your looking for. Things placed and thrown everywhere. So thats why I just buy old navy stuff online. They usually have sales for extra % off, free shipping after certain amount spent. The best part of this is that they give you a return shipping label. So if you find the shirt too small, they will send you the right size at no shipping cost and you get to return your product.  
 
Hollister, Call it Spring etc.. all good for online customer service.  
 
For Costco, I find some items more money vs what you get in the store. But their returns are excellent.  
 
But i do agree with everyone, we need more stores and support our own stores in the community even if they are box stores.


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