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Topic: Emerson Refugees, fleeing the U.S. &; Trump
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Kellye

2/11/2017 9:18:22 PM
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Emerson Refugees, fleeing the U.S. &; Trump

Are US refugees fleeing the border agency during subfreezing conditions at Emerson, Manitoba due to the Trump Presidency and word of unmarked Canadian borders? Do you think Canada is just a safe place to land?  
 
Are they escaping Trump or what's going on?  
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/more-refugees-cross-at-emerson-manitoba-1.3978714

 
 
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Johnbisonbear

2/11/2017 9:51:55 PM
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what I think

is that the refugees are using Trump as an excuse in order to stay in our country. Just my opinion.

unbreakable1

2/11/2017 10:23:08 PM
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This is going to be a costly nightmare for us to patrol the border let alone paying for a shelter for people to stay. We should send Trump a nice bill for it.  
 
As harsh as this may sound, if the refugees are entering Canada illegally, after they got treatment for frostbite etc. , they should be deported just like any other person who tries to enter Canada illegally.  
 
Edited by unbreakable1, 2017-02-11 22:24:15

CatMan

2/12/2017 8:41:01 AM
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In All Fairness

Justin Trudeau has to share the blame. He campaigned on promises to take in more refugees.  
Perhaps tomorrow he and the Donald can discuss who gets to pay for them....

C'sgetdegrees

2/12/2017 9:32:52 AM
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Illegal

All that matters is they are illegal. Stop them at the border and send them back in the direction they came from.

MDG

2/12/2017 9:38:36 AM
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Just my opinion

but I think these "refugees" are well aware that as soon as they touch Canadian soil, our Constitution affords them the right to be here. They're not refugees; they're not fleeing from an unsafe country - the U.S. - Trump's travel ban is on hold by the courts. The U.S. is no less unsafe than Canada is so to repeat myself, they're no longer refugees.

MDG

2/12/2017 9:46:49 AM
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Correction;

It's our Charter of Rights that protects everyone that steps on our soil (or snow in this case!). No matter, the only solution would be to prevent them from crossing into Canada & well . . . . . . . . . we're just too nice to do that!

TEN

2/12/2017 12:28:14 PM
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Wrong

  
MDG said "It's our Charter of Rights that protects everyone that steps on our soil (or snow in this case!). No matter, the only solution would be to prevent them from crossing into Canada & well . . . . . . . . . we're just too nice to do that! "

We have a treaty with the US that states that refugees must apply for refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in or we must send them back to that country.

sunzu

2/12/2017 1:16:53 PM
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question

Does anybody know what the process is regarding refugees? How long does it take for these people to have a hearing and then become eligible for citizenship etc.

PJL

2/12/2017 3:08:37 PM
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Has very little to do with Trump

"The numbers have risen over the last two or three years, but they’re way down from where they were 10 years ago," Ralph Goodale, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, said of the yearly nationwide totals.  
 
"Ten years ago, there were probably 15,000 to 20,000 a year that were in that category. Now, the number is about 7,000, so it’s substantially reduced."  
 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/manitoba-community-seeing-influx-of-border-jumpers-since-trump-order/article33946647/

MDG

2/12/2017 5:50:41 PM
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You're correct;

  
TEN said "
  
MDG said "It's our Charter of Rights that protects everyone that steps on our soil (or snow in this case!). No matter, the only solution would be to prevent them from crossing into Canada & well . . . . . . . . . we're just too nice to do that! "

We have a treaty with the US that states that refugees must apply for refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in or we must send them back to that country. "

so long as they're stopped at the border & don't make it into Canada. Otherwise, why wouldn't there simply be a bus driving them back to the U.S. border crossing & handing them over to them?

Gmaj7

2/12/2017 9:55:49 PM
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In through...

Manitoba because free legal aid is provided. Saskachewan does not  
and most of Ontario is water and rough country. Nice and flat here.

Tater

2/12/2017 11:39:19 PM
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Jul 2013
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It's not illegal

Refugees crossing at non crossings isn't technically illegal and their claim has to be heard. That's international law regarding refugee claims. It's pretty disgusting that some people think the response to desperate people fleeing for their lives is to ship them to a place where the new president has mentioned bringing back torture!  
 
That's really gross. What does it hurt any of you to shelter the needy? I hope none of you pretend to be Christians, who advocate the expulsion of refugees. That is inhumane. Who on thus site has been harmed by a regugee??

mackenzie5

2/13/2017 10:51:52 AM
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..

  
TEN said "
  
MDG said "It's our Charter of Rights that protects everyone that steps on our soil (or snow in this case!). No matter, the only solution would be to prevent them from crossing into Canada & well . . . . . . . . . we're just too nice to do that! "

We have a treaty with the US that states that refugees must apply for refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in or we must send them back to that country. "

this should be enforced by our govt. immigration should be through the regular channels

Abbysmum

2/13/2017 4:13:30 PM
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Mar 2009
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rules

According to the agreement between Canada & the US, a refugee needs to claim refugee status in whichever country they land in first, as both are considered safe countries to make a claim "Safe Third-Country Agreement".  
 
However, there's a LEGAL loophole in the agreement that if they cross by foot between checkpoints the way that they are, they can bypass agreement and make a refugee claim in the other country. What they're doing, while not the regular channel for such a process, is technically within the law.  
 
While the numbers have spiked in recent weeks, it's been steadily increasing generally the past 5 or so years. One things that's never talked about is whether the flow of traffic goes the other way (i.e. refugees leaving Canada and heading to the US). I've been curious whether that's happening.  
 
I'm also curious as to why it's happening predominately in Manitoba. There's a lot of border they can cross, and lots of relatively isolated regions they can cross. Why there?

Milky Whey

2/13/2017 5:25:26 PM
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Jul 2010
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Manitoba because

There are four provinces that will help them with money. We are one of them. They get legal aide, plus some assistance. Also, our borders are fields, it is easier access.

Milky Whey

2/13/2017 5:27:26 PM
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Jul 2010
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also

I don't think refugee is the proper term. Most of these are economic migrants.

Brian

2/13/2017 5:53:05 PM
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Feb 2007
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why doesnt manitoba

put up a fence or along these field between crossings so border crossing is legal then refugees have to use crossing like other provinces  
 
Edited by Brian , 2017-02-13 17:58:11


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