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Tunnelvision

3/31/2017 5:53:40 PM
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Any flooding reports

Have not seen any info in regards to flood waters in the Westman areas. Two Borders and Killarney/ Turtle Mountain municipalities both have a lot of overland flooding with many roads overflowing and some bridge damage. What other stories are out there?

 
 
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Laura55

3/31/2017 10:04:38 PM
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Water in my Basement..

I have water in my basement...sump pump is filling up...water table must be high...lets hope its just a little water and not a flood...my house as been on the market for 2 months...I dont know if I should take it off or wait it out...any idea?...I dont think it looks good selling a house with a puddle of water...

curlysister

3/31/2017 11:28:46 PM
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yep

Yep, my basement flood forecast is FLOODED. Sump pump keeping up from the pit where the weeping tiles drain, but the carpet in the corner is wet for about 8 feet in from each of the walls. Sigh.  
 
PS - I know that's not the 'forecast' the OP was looking for.

Laura55

4/1/2017 3:50:56 PM
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basement..

yours sound horrible...I have a puddle...OMG I should not complain...

Adam

4/3/2017 6:16:47 PM
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Flooding

From release put out by the city, the peak at Brandon between April 10 and 17 is now expected to be at a level where they will have to plug the dike at Grand Valley Road:  
http://www.brandon.ca/public-notices-details?var=4444

Just for comparison's sake, the record high level in 2014 was 1183.1 ft. This year's estimate is 1176.8 ft

Juggler99

4/3/2017 7:12:21 PM
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??

That report says the highest to date was 2014. Seems to me 2011 was the flood of all floods, with the most water to date? Wasn't 2014 the year they just didn't bother sandbagging 1st street and let it go after the overwhelming costs they incurred from sandbagging and then manning the pumps on both 18th and 1st?

Adam

4/3/2017 7:19:18 PM
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Floods

They have some historical numbers in the left hand column here... summer 2014 was slightly more than spring 2011:  
http://intriverlevel.brandon.ca

rogercsr2007

4/3/2017 7:27:17 PM
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rain on its way

Looking at the long range gonna pour on Sunday! This won't be good

Dunno

4/3/2017 8:13:13 PM
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Part of City

  
Laura55 said "I have water in my basement...sump pump is filling up...water table must be high...lets hope its just a little water and not a flood...my house as been on the market for 2 months...I dont know if I should take it off or wait it out...any idea?...I dont think it looks good selling a house with a puddle of water... "

What part of Brandon do you live in? Close to the river?

Juggler99

4/3/2017 8:43:04 PM
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..

2014 has a lower number for spring, but I higher number for -rain event-... I honestly can't remember anything near as bad as the previous. Must have been a heck of a rain lol:

Adam

4/7/2017 5:05:31 PM
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Flood

Pretty significant change in the expected peak, which is now forecasted at 1,180 to 1,181 feet at 1st St between April 9th and 12th. Decision to be made tomorrow on plugging Grand Valley Road:  
http://www.brandon.ca/public-notices-details?var=4448

Adam

4/8/2017 10:20:29 AM
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GVR

They'll be plugging off Grand Valley Road starting this morning, expected done by later tomorrow:  
http://www.brandon.ca/public-notices-details?var=4449

Happy_ Hour

4/8/2017 10:27:58 AM
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Adam said "They'll be plugging off Grand Valley Road starting this morning, expected done by later tomorrow:  
http://www.brandon.ca/public-notices-details?var=4449 "

"Work to insert a clay plug at the intersection will begin late this morning"  
 
Any idea what that means? I have never heard that term used for flood protection. Thanks.

don brown

4/8/2017 10:43:03 AM
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Clay plug

They all ready have the dikes coming up to grand valley road from the north and south so the will just be filling the space between the dikes with clay, that will close off grand valley road.  
One thing I was curious of is when they did the work on that area did they leave a permenant key in the road way to anchor the dike or will the road surface have to be torn up to key the dike in.

Adam

4/8/2017 10:54:44 AM
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Clay plug

  
Happy_ Hour said "
  
Adam said "They'll be plugging off Grand Valley Road starting this morning, expected done by later tomorrow:  
http://www.brandon.ca/public-notices-details?var=4449 "

"Work to insert a clay plug at the intersection will begin late this morning"  
 
Any idea what that means? I have never heard that term used for flood protection. Thanks. "

Just to expand on what Don B said, I assume we'd be looking at something a lot like what you see in this pic from 2014 to complete the wall that holds water back from flowing into Kirkcaldy, Corral, etc:  
http://ebrandon.ca/photo.aspx?picture_id=29268  
 
This aerial (also from 2014) gives a good visual for why its necessary (the plug is just about dead centre in the pic)  
http://ebrandon.ca/photo.aspx?picture_id=29360

GordonSchwindt

4/8/2017 11:45:42 AM
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Future Planning

Just have a rhetorical question. There are a multitude of costs with hauling in clay to close dike whenever we have a high water event. Spring thaws generally create a predicted level of flooding while a rain storm such as 2014 is much less predictable.  
 
My question is when 18th street north was being upgraded a few years back, why did the powers that be not just raise the road six or so feet. Yes the road is designed by Dept of Highways and the dikes by Emergency Measures. Surely someone could have said, "Let's think a bit and build a road which will serve as a dike." I realize a roadbed has different requirements than a levee but if permanent, an annual flood could be downgraded to an inconvenience instead of an emergency.

Happy_ Hour

4/8/2017 12:37:45 PM
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Oh

Thanks Don and Adam. Now. I better understand.  
 

dark man

4/8/2017 3:06:24 PM
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Gorden

My thoughts exactly in regards to raising road  
No much sense in having a high bridge with low access roads  
First street is shaping up the same way

Adam

4/8/2017 4:24:38 PM
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Pics

From the river readings page, the level is up about a foot since this morning. Based on the forecast it could go up as much as 4 more feet

Added a few pics of where they're at within the last hour.  Looks like they're ahead of it, but to the layman the optics are a little scary as far as how high the plug is so far, how high the water is behind it and the fact there's some water on the other East side that dump trucks are literally driving through it to dump their loads. But important to stress that as they build it higher it's expected to give many feet of freeboard above what the forecasted crest is expected to be.  

Would recommend avoiding 18th St N if you can postpone trips until after the weekend... Westbound off or Kirkcaldy and Southbound on 18th are moving quite slowly as part of crews being able to do their job. Note that trucks coming in with dirt are using the shoulder on 18th St N Southbound!

braid

4/8/2017 4:35:21 PM
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Adam

Thanks for the pictures ! !  
Water came up really fast !!!  
How's first street for flooding ? ?

Adam

4/8/2017 5:21:55 PM
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1st

  
braid said "Thanks for the pictures ! !  
Water came up really fast !!!  
How's first street for flooding ? ? "

Added a few pics from the 1st street area taken within the last half hour. Will let your eyes do the judging on where things are headed with another 3-4 feet of water

Trevor B

4/8/2017 5:41:03 PM
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At 10am

the water was just encroaching on the road. By 1pm it was covering the road.

razorbock

4/8/2017 7:13:52 PM
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Costs

To raise the entire road 6' would have required many different logistical changes and challenges. That and MIT would have had to pay for it while installing and removing the plug will be at the emergency measures cost.  
 
The reason the bridges are so much higher then the roads is so that if their is a failure the bridges, which are immensely more expensive, should remain unharmed and then restoring the road is a relatively much cheaper and easier operation

Adam

4/8/2017 7:33:25 PM
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1st

Just drove 1st  
 
The bad news, water level looks like it's inches from the height of the lowest point of the road  
 
The good news, they aren't just going to let it go without a fight. Looks like they're setting up big aqua dams on both sides of the road. Will add a pic shortly. Not sure how involved of a process it is.... Will they be able to set it up in time?  
 
The plug at 18th is up to a decent height now with crews contuing to work.  
 
Edited by Adam, 2017-04-08 19:38:26

cotr

4/8/2017 8:01:02 PM
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When they built the dyke along 18 th street, they should have built it back about a hundred meters or so and completed it right across Grand Valley Road and made the road go up and over the permanent dyke.

don brown

4/8/2017 8:33:12 PM
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Roads and dikes

I feel sorry for engineers. When they design something like the new bridges on 18th they would have complied with rules regarding approaches to 18th. If the road had been built up to the height of the dike,there likely would have been concerns about the grade of the approaches. The very south acces to the corral centre is likely the busiest, and there is limited space to use for the approach and have proper grade.  
I guess I should get back on topic. The crest on the Assiniboine and the Souris seem to be forecast for about the same time which could result in a significant rise on the Assiniboine to the east of Brandon.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2017-04-08 20:39:30

razorbock

4/8/2017 9:34:51 PM
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Nope

  
cotr said "When they built the dyke along 18 th street, they should have built it back about a hundred meters or so and completed it right across Grand Valley Road and made the road go up and over the permanent dyke. "

Wouldn't work, the neither the province nor the city own the land where you propose the dike.  
 
Plus there is a major north hill drainage that runs on the west side of 18 and had to be rerouted so it now runs on the west side of the dike and would have been nearly impossible to permanently reroute west of your proposed dike  
 
Plus again all the costs would have been born by MIT instead of by emergency measures

Blade

4/8/2017 11:23:18 PM
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Yes it would work

  
razorbock said "
  
cotr said "When they built the dyke along 18 th street, they should have built it back about a hundred meters or so and completed it right across Grand Valley Road and made the road go up and over the permanent dyke. "

Wouldn't work, the neither the province nor the city own the land where you propose the dike.  
 
Plus there is a major north hill drainage that runs on the west side of 18 and had to be rerouted so it now runs on the west side of the dike and would have been nearly impossible to permanently reroute west of your proposed dike  
 
Plus again all the costs would have been born by MIT instead of by emergency measures "

It doesn''t matter who owns the land when land is needed for dikes or roads land is either purchased or expropriated.  
 
Extending the dike westerly along both the north and south sides of the road for 150 metres and then by raising the grade at that point which would also serve as a dike it would work.  
 
I don''t understand the idea of whether highways pays for the road improvements or emergency measures pays for it has any bearing on this problem. The taxpayers are the ones who pay for it no matter who does the work.  
 
Also the drainage coming down the hill will goes where it goes now. The road will always be under water during a flood but the ridiculous scenario of constructing a temporary clay plug annually is senseless.  
 
Raising 18th street would not work as the land on the east side is to low in elevation and the approaches or exit onto Kirkaldy would be to steep.  
 
Edited by Blade, 2017-04-08 23:28:43

Adam

4/9/2017 6:31:04 AM
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Future/past

Very interesting discussion about what could be or should been done. Just so this particular thread can be about the state of the flood currently effecting the area I've started a new separate thread to continue the debate.
https://ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=976883&cat_id=207

Regarding the present in Brandon, a CBC story from last night:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/manitoba/brandon-flooding-closing-grand-valley-road-1.4062335

I'll do another photo run once we have a little more daylight. Would be interested in first hand accounts from upstream Assiniboine and on the Souris  

Adam

4/9/2017 8:45:39 AM
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Pics

Added a handful of pics from within the last approx hour. You can compare to a few reference points in pictures from yesterday to get a sense for the rise overnight. A good place to see all pics in one spot is at:  
https://ebrandon.ca/messagethread_photos.aspx?message_id=976883&cat_id=207  
 
One spot to watch, a decent amount of water on the other side of one of the aqua dams on 1st. Not 100% clear if it's new water from overnight or water that simply needs to be pumped out that managed to get through as they were adjusting/setting up the dams.

 
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