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Adam

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Adam
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Shopping in groups
11/21/2020 at 3:17 PM

As much as I run this site I'm a bit of an amateur in the ranting category, but this is a message that needs to get out!
Just waiting outside of one box store for a curbside pickup and with nothing much else to do I’ve been curious about shopping habits with the big change this week. In this case at least the number of pairs of adults shopping together is off the charts... at least as common to see pairs shopping as solo and even in a couple cases full family units of four all going in together. Benefit of the doubt that in the odd situation someone might have a medical reason to need to have someone with them but if that isn’t you and you choose not to use curbside or delivery please please please shop solo and have person #2 (3, 4, etc) wait in the car or at home if you can. These stores are capacity limited and we need to keep our contacts down during the Red/critical status we’re in!
Bighart_badluck1
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Bighart_badluck1
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Also
11/21/2020 at 3:38 PM

Living with a roommate that constantly still keeps going out and hanging out with friends several times a day with no mask just hanging out in the vehicle despite all the restrictions and hearing conversations over the phone that one is sick with a cold but will be right over to pick him up. Sad it's like this that some are putting family gatherings on hold and others are just still doing what ever they want. I just hope he doesn't bring it home for his sake and mine.
don brown
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Adam
11/21/2020 at 4:33 PM

Maybe sort of a rant, but I look at it as justified concern.
I follow the numbers, and the concern for me is not the mortality rate at present numbers, but what has been the concern for the medical fields, and that is if the infection rate exceeds the capacity of hospitals, and we are pushing those limits.
For some people the infection will be deadly even if they enter hospital and are treated, but if we reach the point that treatment is not available to all that become infected we will see an acceleration in the number of deaths.
Sort of have a feeling that in the next few weeks we will see this happen, and more so in areas that are slack on preventative measures.
For a lot of people, reality isn’t reality until it’s staring youbin the face.
Abbysmum
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Sigh
11/21/2020 at 4:43 PM

I know, I hear ya. It's beyond frustrating.

My kids haven't been in a store since March, except once in July. They get it. Reduce contacts, as much as that sucks (and so they can keep going to school). Make room for someone else in a store, so stay home. Try not to get sick so we don't all get sick at once, and the hospital doesn't get full and the really sick people can get help when they need it. Wear a mask to keep other people safe, and maybe themselves too.

If a bunch of kids in the 6-12 age range get it, why don't adults?
Bighart_badluck1
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I couldn't agree more Adam
11/21/2020 at 4:49 PM

That is the reality, people think either A- I'm not invincible B- it's not going to affect me because I'm healthy and the worst C- this isn't real. I'm doing my part and staying home please do the same everyone else. And for you younger readers and parents of children in today's day and age we are blessed with the level of technology and can utilize this to its maximum potential video calling to keep in touch etc. If we didn't have that in todays day and age I don't even want to think of what our numbers would be. Stay safe everyone.
Dange
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Dange
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I know
11/21/2020 at 5:07 PM

my wife mentioned the same thing to me today as she was waiting outside a large Canadian grocery chain for a curbside pick-up. I have not been in a retail establishment since March. We were seriously contemplating making a complaint. If anything just to air concern. I don't imagine anything could be done about it.

Edited by Tiger Barb, 2020-11-21 17:08:39
Dalmation_Girl
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11/21/2020 at 5:15 PM

I think the stores should be doing more... ie. the person standing inside the store doing the count in and count out of the store should be monitoring the groups of people coming inside. If they see a group of 2, 3, or 4 or more walking in together they should be telling them 1 person per family. Why would a group of 4 need to go to the store to get essentials anyway.? That is all you can buy in store now so WTF!!! The only way we can get this back to some kind of normalcy is if WE ALL do what is being asked of us NOT just a SELECT few. We will never get our case numbers going in the right direction if we don’t follow the guidelines. C’mon people listen to the experts, they know what they are talking about. Do we want to be like the USA? I think not. Start doing the right thing!!!
Adam

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Adam
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Masks
11/21/2020 at 5:27 PM

Abbysmum said "I know, I hear ya. It's beyond frustrating.

My kids haven't been in a store since March, except once in July. They get it. Reduce contacts, as much as that sucks (and so they can keep going to school). Make room for someone else in a store, so stay home. Try not to get sick so we don't all get sick at once, and the hospital doesn't get full and the really sick people can get help when they need it. Wear a mask to keep other people safe, and maybe themselves too.

If a bunch of kids in the 6-12 age range get it, why don't adults? "
I do think that huge majority of folks want to do the right thing, but unfortunately habits don't always break or form easily even in a situation like this. One thing I will say is that over my wait I bet more than 100 people came and went and mask usage was literally 100%... which on one hand is great, but hopefully it isn’t to the extent where some have the wrong idea that as long as they’re masked it’s okay to add to store congestion with extra tag-alongs.
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11/21/2020 at 5:56 PM

Bighart_badluck1 said "Living with a roommate that constantly still keeps going out and hanging out with friends several times a day with no mask just hanging out in the vehicle despite all the restrictions and hearing conversations over the phone that one is sick with a cold but will be right over to pick him up. Sad it's like this that some are putting family gatherings on hold and others are just still doing what ever they want. I just hope he doesn't bring it home for his sake and mine. "
Change the locks.
Magnum
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Selfish
11/21/2020 at 6:07 PM

Shopping in groups these days is nothing more than selfishness. It's a clear sign that these people have no regard for anyone else but themselves.
Very disappointing.
Farmergeorge
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The only
11/21/2020 at 6:45 PM

Way forward now if this doesn’t stop is to initiate a full military controlled curfew.
Bighart_badluck1
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Bighart_badluck1
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I agree
11/21/2020 at 7:02 PM

Farmergeorge said "Way forward now if this doesn’t stop is to initiate a full military controlled curfew. "
Neighbors are having a nice little party right now as we speak.
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Military Presence
11/21/2020 at 7:12 PM

Way forward now if this doesn’t stop is to initiate a full military controlled curfew.

Does this mean tear gas , rubber bullets , and batons !!!
don brown
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Well
11/21/2020 at 7:51 PM

Not to make light of the situation, but we could work with a lock down or a lock up, hope you get what I mean.
Farmergeorge
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I
11/21/2020 at 7:57 PM

Wylee said "Way forward now if this doesn’t stop is to initiate a full military controlled curfew.

Does this mean tear gas , rubber bullets , and batons !!! "
Sure hope it doesn’t come to that. But I guess enforcement will be as severe as violators want to push their luck. Rules are simple. We only have to obey them, it isn’t that hard. The longer people fight back the longer the pandemic goes on for.
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Bighart_badluck1
11/21/2020 at 8:10 PM

Bighart_badluck1 said "Neighbors are having a nice little party right now as we speak. "
So are they still partying? No harm in reporting them. The police and other enforcement officers can't be everywhere. It would be interesting to know how diligent they're going to be at handing out tickets. I saw an RCMP report where about 5 where given but all were up north. I'm sure there could be plenty right here.
Adam

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Enforcement
11/21/2020 at 8:15 PM

Military seems a step far, though if we got to Steinbach 40% territory and it showed no signs of turning I’d say all bets are off...

Right now the public health order has its focus on the expectation that businesses make sure patrons maintain a distance of at least 2 metres and the stores make their own rules to ensure compliance with that and capacity limits. This particular store has a rule posted right in clear view as you walk in, not sure where they’re at on being able to hold people to it.

I wasn’t inside the store to say what actual distancing was like and so maybe I’d be surprised and all of these pairs of folks were keeping their six feet in entry/exitways, aisles and checkout lines with ease, but officially legally written rule or not it seems like common sense that if such a limited amount of people are allowed in the store that full families or even spouse pairs aren’t taking up those key essential item shopping spots while at the same time making it harder on other shoppers to distance and harder on staff to do what they're asked.
Pasquale
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Tip line
11/21/2020 at 8:17 PM

Is available to anonymously report stores or families not abiding by the regulations, Don’t be afraid to make that call if any of us want to get back to normal.
Millenial
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11/21/2020 at 8:18 PM

I wholeheartedly agree. This whole situation is meant to wrangle the selfish people into doing the right thing, but while they're continuously pushing back, those of us who want to do what's right are suffering the consequences of other's actions.

I will admit that I haven't been perfect. I believe that calculated risks at appropriate times and when they won't affect others are suitable, but we haven't been in a position to take calculated risks for many weeks now.

Unfortunately the pleading of the sane people will fall on ignorant ears. Those of us who want to do the right thing have been doing the right thing since March, whereas the people who think that they should be the exception to the rules have not.
Dange
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If there is one thing
11/21/2020 at 8:57 PM

this pandemic has done it is to show me who amongst us are the selfish people and have little regard for their fellow human beings. When this is all over, I hope these people are judged by the rest of us for how they acted and the choices they made.
Kida

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There are certain situations
11/21/2020 at 10:56 PM

I know my parents call and ask if there is anything I need if they are out now.
But if I go shopping my mom is usually in tow as she is need to food shop as well. We live in the same residence for $$ saving but I have an apartment suite in the basement and therefore independent.

So we go together to save taking a second vehicle and keep each other company. I don't expect them to pay for my food and needs.

I know that it needs to slow down especially with taking the children (which I have to say they are doing awesome in adapting to the new 'norm'), but sometimes there is a valid reason.
landlocked
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landlocked
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report
11/22/2020 at 1:48 AM

Bighart_badluck1 said "Living with a roommate that constantly still keeps going out and hanging out with friends several times a day with no mask just hanging out in the vehicle despite all the restrictions and hearing conversations over the phone that one is sick with a cold but will be right over to pick him up. Sad it's like this that some are putting family gatherings on hold and others are just still doing what ever they want. I just hope he doesn't bring it home for his sake and mine. "
when they go out to chill in the car, call the police and have them roll up on them. both will be ticketed just that easy
landlocked
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landlocked
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sorry
11/22/2020 at 1:54 AM

Dalmation_Girl said "I think the stores should be doing more... ie. the person standing inside the store doing the count in and count out of the store should be monitoring the groups of people coming inside. If they see a group of 2, 3, or 4 or more walking in together they should be telling them 1 person per family. Why would a group of 4 need to go to the store to get essentials anyway.? That is all you can buy in store now so WTF!!! The only way we can get this back to some kind of normalcy is if WE ALL do what is being asked of us NOT just a SELECT few. We will never get our case numbers going in the right direction if we don’t follow the guidelines. C’mon people listen to the experts, they know what they are talking about. Do we want to be like the USA? I think not. Start doing the right thing!!! "
no i dont agree. that worker does not get paid to police what peoples choices are nor should they be put in a possibly volatile situation! have you seen the level of angry and frustrated right now? not a chance would i expect a minimum wage, uneducated in hostile situations be placed in that situation. hired security that has the training be in place per chance but again youre walking a fine line of peoples rights to privacy and freedoms. lord knows theres been tons of yelling about that through this
Someonesomewhere
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Verbal abuse
11/22/2020 at 7:36 AM

The amount of verbal abuse minimum wage workers put up with since the start of this pandemic is sickening. I do not expect a greeter or store employee to enforce these measures. 95% of people are doing great, the other 5% know what they should be doing and purposely are not doing it and are not afraid to forcefully voice their opinions and I don’t wish that on a store employee to deal with. I also would like to say that not everyone has the ability to shop online for curbside so if a parent has to bring a couple kids in with them have a bit of compassion that not everyone has someone else to watch their children. (I know this was directed at couples and families shopping)
Farmergeorge
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Actually
11/22/2020 at 7:45 AM

landlocked said "no i dont agree. that worker does not get paid to police what peoples choices are nor should they be put in a possibly volatile situation! have you seen the level of angry and frustrated right now? not a chance would i expect a minimum wage, uneducated in hostile situations be placed in that situation. hired security that has the training be in place per chance but again youre walking a fine line of peoples rights to privacy and freedoms. lord knows theres been tons of yelling about that through this "
This is a difficult time for all stores, businesses and their staff for sure but fact is the onus is on them to control the numbers of people inside their businesses and control essential and non essential product. A business failing to comply is subject to quite large fines so yes it is their responsibility to do so. However it is also the responsibility of individual members of the public to respect businesses, their staff and to respect that they are even open to serve us, for now at least. That could change quickly if people continue to ignore restrictions.
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agree
11/22/2020 at 8:05 AM

The one thawing that always baffles me is the moms with small infants. I had to make a quick trip to the hardware store yesterday for an essential item and down the aisle was a mom holding her young baby while dad was loading their cart. Why oh why was mom/baby there? It’s not like she was needed to help carry anything heavy or push a 2nd cart.

I will admit we got a little more relaxed over the summer on this. My daughter would come when we needed to get her shoes or clothes. Hubby and I would go together when we both needed a cart to get everything we needed. He rarely goes to the store unless he has to. I only go once a week or the off time we need something out of the ordinary like yesterday.

I wish the stores were enforcing it better like they seemed to do in the spring.
Adam

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Shopping
11/22/2020 at 9:48 AM

Someonesomewhere said "The amount of verbal abuse minimum wage workers put up with since the start of this pandemic is sickening. I do not expect a greeter or store employee to enforce these measures. 95% of people are doing great, the other 5% know what they should be doing and purposely are not doing it and are not afraid to forcefully voice their opinions and I don’t wish that on a store employee to deal with. I also would like to say that not everyone has the ability to shop online for curbside so if a parent has to bring a couple kids in with them have a bit of compassion that not everyone has someone else to watch their children. (I know this was directed at couples and families shopping) "
Absolutely there’ll be situations with parents, especially single parents and maybe even the odd couple... it’s why on a one-off basis there’s not a lot to be gained from judging and why enforcing must not be totally cut and dry.

If we look at wider trends in my approx half hour slice of time though it was enough to see that there’s a wider acceptance of multi adult per household shopping when in huge majority of cases the second adult is going to be redundant. Just hope that folks give extra pause right now in deciding who’s necessary when going in... and extra consideration to whether the item they want can be had by curbside or local delivery.

Was reading a couple stories out of Britain that show a real variance in how stores there are approaching.... from encouraging customers to limit family members, to one store actually stopping multi-adult groups and asking them to pick one to go in: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/whats-on/shopping/sainsburys-only-allow-one-adult-19160020
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Don't know if Sobeys
11/22/2020 at 10:19 AM

Adam said "
Absolutely there’ll be situations with parents, especially single parents and maybe even the odd couple... it’s why on a one-off basis there’s not a lot to be gained from judging and why enforcing must not be totally cut and dry.

If we look at wider trends in my approx half hour slice of time though it was enough to see that there’s a wider acceptance of multi adult per household shopping when in huge majority of cases the second adult is going to be redundant. Just hope that folks give extra pause right now in deciding who’s necessary when going in... and extra consideration to whether the item they want can be had by curbside or local delivery.

Was reading a couple stories out of Britain that show a real variance in how stores there are approaching.... from encouraging customers to limit family members, to one store actually stopping multi-adult groups and asking them to pick one to go in: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/whats-on/shopping/sainsburys-only-allow-one-adult-19160020
"
are still doing this but when we were in Orange when my family member and I went shopping we each had to take a cart. Now in Red i go in alone.
Yesterday there was a mother, grandmother, grandfather and young child together, not good
Dalmation_Girl
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Thank You Farmergeorge....
11/22/2020 at 10:25 AM

Farmergeorge said "This is a difficult time for all stores, businesses and their staff for sure but fact is the onus is on them to control the numbers of people inside their businesses and control essential and non essential product. A business failing to comply is subject to quite large fines so yes it is their responsibility to do so. However it is also the responsibility of individual members of the public to respect businesses, their staff and to respect that they are even open to serve us, for now at least. That could change quickly if people continue to ignore restrictions. "
For explaining it to the people once again who don’t understand that the onus is on the stores to control the number of people inside their businesses and that it is also the responsibility of individual members of the public to respect the shopping rules of the businesses in this very trying time that we all have to live with. If everyone just shopped according to the rules then there would be no issues for the workers at the stores who are trying to enforce these rules to make it safe for everyone. Just do your part. UGHH!!!

Edited by Dalmation_Girl, 2020-11-22 10:26:07
landlocked
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landlocked
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yes
11/23/2020 at 12:28 AM

Farmergeorge said "This is a difficult time for all stores, businesses and their staff for sure but fact is the onus is on them to control the numbers of people inside their businesses and control essential and non essential product. A business failing to comply is subject to quite large fines so yes it is their responsibility to do so. However it is also the responsibility of individual members of the public to respect businesses, their staff and to respect that they are even open to serve us, for now at least. That could change quickly if people continue to ignore restrictions. "
it is there job to control the numbers inside their business NOT how they get to those numbers..huge difference actually.
saying only 50 people in store at one time is their duty for their own protection against fines..saying only one person per household and fighting people on that is another that they can not actually do just recommend. they do not have the authority or right to decide for another person their reason if any to have a second or third person in their party. and as long as they stay together in the store and not wander off seperately they are considered one unit , but 3 people for the numbers allowed in the business.