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Wait till week two is over.

is worried about WW3, they should worry about another Civil War!! This travel ban also detains US citizens, who are there legally. And detaining people who went through the proper channels to get visas, greencards, and even citizenship, abet dual.

And they got it. Right leaning Americans were afraid to speak out for fear of being labeled as bad people. They gradually lost their right to free speech over the last few decades. Now they've got it back through Trump. Not a good thing as I think things may get far worse before they get better.

I think that the GOP is playing Trump for a patsy. They weren't at first, but when he began getting support and other contenders in the primaries dropped out, they decided to use his popularity for their own agenda. Here's what I think will happen:  
 
Mike Pence and Paul Ryan along with the GOP are giving Trump all the rope he needs or wants. His silly executive orders are causing outrage among the majority who didn't vote for him and with some who did. Pence and Ryan know this. It's only a matter of time before Trump has enough rope to hang himself - ie he violates the constitution or breaks several laws. It [b]will[/b] happen. That's when Pence and Ryan step in as the country's saviors by initiating impeachment proceedings. Once Trump is removed from office, Pence, the man the GOP would prefer to have as president, takes over and Ryan steps up to VP. Some of the terrible appointments made by Trump are removed, and the Republican party begins implementing the agenda they wanted all along.  
 
This will all happen within the next two years at most. The GOP will want the total relief of the citizens to carry over into the midterm elections in 2008. They retain control into 2010 at which time, it's anyone's ballgame depending on how radical the Republicans get.  
 
That's my prediction. If it happens, remember... you heard it here first.

I'd say to Trump keep up the good work. It's not a god given right for anyone to go into the States. He has a right to protect America's borders. I would do the same when you see what's happening in Europe.  
But doesn't surprise me a lot of people don't like him-after all that's what the CBC and CTV want you to think. Anything that isn't Liberal in nature is bad according to those networks. You never hear any talk of the jobs he has saved and the jobs he wants to create buy having things actually made in America again.  
The media wants you to hate him because he's crass and because of some comments he made. Get over it.  
I hope this is the beginning of the end of Globalism.

is acting on what Bill Clinton stated in this 80 second speech back when he was president.  
 
https://www.c-span.org/video/?%20c4351026/c

Now maybe I look at things differentl, but does that idea not go against the history of mankind for thousands of years. Mankind has always been expanding the areas in which to aquire resources, or trade their production, this led to the settling of nearly every place on earth. Without the idea of global trade our country would be a completely different country, and if we look at present day prosperity in most of North America it is due to trading with the world.  
Trumps fight with NAFTA, and with Mexico, comes down to around a 2% difference in the balance of trade between the two countries, and the idea of making things better for the American people by imposing taxes on imports will end up making goods more expensive in the US.  
In the last week I got a bit of a chuckle out of the conflict with the president of Mexico. The president of Mexico said he was not meeting with president Trump, and after quite a delay president Trump said it was a mutual agreement.  
One thing president Trump is going to realize is the world is not New York City.

I agree about global trade. However I disagree with how it's being done. More and more jobs have been and are be being moved overseas where it's cheap. Where does that leave the average joe who doesn't have a college education?  
I don't know about anyone else here but whenever I have the chance to buy anything made in Canada I do. I look down on anything made in China and think it's horsesh*t that everything is made there.  
Canada did fine before NAFTA and will do fine if it's scrapped.  
Does it not scare anyone else how much power China has?

Not worth talking about period....

I guess being in agriculture, and working in a industry that basically competes in the global market, which means the value of my product is set on the world market, I have no problem not buying products made in Canada or the US, if it wasn't for countries like the former USSR and China,and many other countries of the world,I would wonder how our ag sector would have survived. Some of the most successful capitalists have never let political ideologies stand in the way of them doing business, Walmarts success has much to do with trading with countries that produce a product at a price that consumers are willing, or maybe more importantly, able to pay. Even the famous John Deere tractor has Chinese parts on them, or if not the original parts the repair parts usually are Chinese made.  
If a country starts closing doors when it comes to trade they have to realize that it is a two way street. Threatning companies to produce local likely will not ensure more jobs. If a company is going to make a major investment in a new plant they will likely try to operate the plant with as little staff as possible. Our standard of living is way out of line, as far as I'm concerned, when I look at hours worked and productivity and the cost of finished product. The economy of the US has been in trouble since the mid to late 60's, once Europe and Japan recovered from the Second World War we were no longer competitive, and policies that were adopted from the early 70's onward just made the problem worse.

funny that Trump is banning people from countries that have contributed to ZERO deaths by visa, green card, dual citizenship, refugees in America.  
 
An American is much more likely to be killed by another American in America. 99% of murders and homicides in the U.S is by other born and bred Americans.

it's funny he has done everything that he said he was going to do in his campaign and he's doing it which is a lot more than most politicians do when elected. Key word elected by the people. Right or wrong that is who the people voted in and is cleary saying that they where feed up with the political B S that was happening. Same thing happens here in Canada. So lets say what do you do with a bad apple in the barrel you find it and take it out so may take awhile this is all he is doing with the ban it is only for 90 days to 120 days how would you protect your boarder go throw the political form and take how many years. Take a good look at who is protesting do you think it may be the other party or who.

TCMC said "it's funny he has done everything that he said he was going to do in his campaign and he's doing it which is a lot more than most politicians do when elected. Key word elected by the people. Right or wrong that is who the people voted in and is cleary saying that they where feed up with the political B S that was happening. Same thing happens here in Canada. So lets say what do you do with a bad apple in the barrel you find it and take it out so may take awhile this is all he is doing with the ban it is only for 90 days to 120 days how would you protect your boarder go throw the political form and take how many years. Take a good look at who is protesting do you think it may be the other party or who. "

Except for 1 key part. He isn't taking out only the bad apple. He has completely dumped the entire barrel out and is denying them entry on the grounds that there was 1 bad apple in the barrel therefore they must all be bad.  
 
That's some racist thinking right there bud.

He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do in his campaign, why is everyone so surprised? Oh wait, a polatician that is actually doing as promised, now that is a surprise! You guys are all worked up over nothing.

grandmaB said "Not worth talking about period.... "

There needs to be discussion about Mr. Trump. If people like him are ignored, we will end up with another Adolph Hitler.

Just a little something I read today... I'm not going to find the link again, but it's easily verifiable.  
 
Trump has set a new record for the shortest time it has taken a president to reach an unfavourable rating with the majority of Americans polled. I think the last record was Bill Clinton who made the mark in just under 600 days.  
 
It took Trump EIGHT days to achieve a majority disapproval rating as per Gallup polls.  
 
Sad.

JR said "Just a little something I read today... I'm not going to find the link again, but it's easily verifiable.     Trump has set a new record for the shortest time it has taken a president to reach an unfavourable rating with the majority of Americans polled. I think the last record was Bill Clinton who made the mark in just under 600 days.     It took Trump EIGHT days to achieve a majority disapproval rating as per Gallup polls.     Sad. "

And it was done prior to this recent banning of people from 7 countries.  
 
http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx  
 
Edited by Trevor B, 2017-01-30 13:12:34

We have a president with his hands on the nuclear codes who has,at best,a narcissistic personality disorder. The world could be one temper tantrum away from a catastrophe.

is as stupid as the day is long. The thing is his supporters are even more scary than he is. He is doing what he said he would but it's all to no real purpose. He bans everyone from 7 countries and leaves out the 4 worst countries. His supporters say other presidents dud the same before but in truth those other presidents did not ban permanent residents and green card holders. Trump is banning everyone...then says green card holders are exempt. ..yet customs officers do not seem to know that green card holders are exempt. He signed an order doing away with the endangered species act-which cannot be good for the environment and those endangered species . He wants what he wants and all else be damned. The fact that he appointed Bannon to the position he appointed him to? That alone is terrifying!

Making the world great again.

fired the acting Attorney General because she said she would defend the travel ban. And installed one that will be loyal to him.  
 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/acting-attorney-general-orders-justice-dept-not-to-defend-refugee-ban/ar-AAmqA6q?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK216DHP

please remove this duplicate post  
 
Edited by memberberries, 2017-01-31 00:06:24

If you really think that we will benefit from a liberal/dem government to our south, consider this. Obama vetoed Keystone XL pipeline 5 or more times after its construction had been started and was passed by US congress.  
 
Our Canadian economy has been tanking ever since due to massive down sizing in the oil industry as a result. Political pressure by Saudi lobbyists and George Soros (who imports his oil to US from Brazil) sourced to the US state department via contributions to the Clinton foundation, have made sure that we would not get our pipeline to the US. Thanks to Trump the pipeline is back under construction. Our oil jobs will be coming back under his administration.  
 
Trans Pacific Partnership. Thank God Trump stopped it. http://canadians.org/publications/factsheet-tpp  
We lose GDP and more than 50000 jobs in independent studies. It was a horrible bill for us.  
 
I'm so tired of all this liberal/dem posturing on Trump with out and realistic foundation. People are simply mimicking the virtue signalling of the main stream media. Don't be fooled, don't be gullible. He's good for us.  
 
Edited by memberberries, 2017-01-31 00:04:27

First the left were claiming that Stephen Harper was Adolf Hitler, now they're claiming that Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler. It's getting a bit old already.  
 
Besides, after the last election when Prime Minister Harper's majority was over, did anybody find any death camps in Canada?  
 
The Americans can do what they want. It's their country. Finally, more laws will be based on the constitution and less on activism. When President Trumps four or even possibly eight year term is over, it's pretty certain you won't find any death camps in America either.

Triplethreat said "First the left were claiming that Stephen Harper was Adolf Hitler, now they're claiming that Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler. It's getting a bit old already.     Besides, after the last election when Prime Minister Harper's majority was over, did anybody find any death camps in Canada?     The Americans can do what they want. It's their country. Finally, more laws will be based on the constitution and less on activism. When President Trumps four or even possibly eight year term is over, it's pretty certain you won't find any death camps in America either. "

You need to read up a bit on the American constitution and law. The Constitution is the USA's base for ALL laws. Any laws written by federal, state or local governments [i]cannot violate [b]any[/b] part of the constitution.[/i]  
So, your argument that laws have been made based on activism is moot. The only governments I see doing that there are conservative ones. Anti-same sex marriage laws by some states come to mind. That's what led to same sex marriages becoming legal nationally - the state laws violated the equal rights portions of the constitution.  
 
As for comparisons of Trump to Hitler... again, a little bit of reading up on what a Fascist government, and Hitler's in particular, does, would help you out. Disinformation is a primary tool in the early stages of such a government. Untruths are told so many times and repeated so often, that people begin to accept them as truth. Recognized public news agencies are discredited and shut down where possible. Non-conformists are marked as such, branded criminals and are then usually banned from entry to the state or are removed by force.  
 
I could go on, but this link pretty well explains it with 14 signs of a Fascist government. Think about the current situation in the US while you read it. And don't forget who the leader of the most famous Fascist government of all was... Herr Hitler.  
 
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

see definite similarities between Trump and Hitler. Watching Trump I now understand how Hitler came to power. I did not say the same about Harper. Harper was nothing like Hitler....nor Trump. Trump makes Harper look good.

"Obama vetoed Keystone XL pipeline 5 or more times after its construction had been started and was passed by US congress.  
 
Our Canadian economy has been tanking ever since due to massive down sizing in the oil industry as a result."  
 
The downsizing in the oil industry was more due to historically low oil prices than anything else, common hazard of a resource based economy. Your statements are inaccurate. As for Saudis, Trump is kissing Saudi a$$, why on earth isn't Saudi Arabia on the list of banned countries of origin but Iran is??? Very possibly because Trump has business interests there.  
 
Just because you want your uneducated jobs back here doesn't mean that anything that happens to get them is good. He's not good for us, who is US??? Billionaires??? That's who he's good for. He's a facist elite, a racist, misogynist sexual predator. That's not good for ME.

JessieJay said "see definite similarities between Trump and Hitler. Watching Trump I now understand how Hitler came to power. I did not say the same about Harper. Harper was nothing like Hitler....nor Trump. Trump makes Harper look good. "

If your seeing similarities between Trump and Hitler who practiced genocide on a huge scale, your either operating under suggestion of the mainstream leftist narrative. Or you have a MASSIVE lack of realistic perspective.  
 
Edited by memberberries, 2017-01-31 14:12:52

memberberries, Hitler didn't start out with genocide. He started by scapegoating one segment of society, instead of addressing social and economic ills directly. That is EXACTLY what Donald Drumpf does. Exactly. The things he says are not factual, his conclusions are not based on empirical evidence but on his own feelings and blaming others. He is at worst a liar with every intention of bringing in an era of reduced liberty for many segments of society and at best an ignorant tool of his betters.