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The person that posted this —-did you tip before your son was a driver? I agree with the other comments stop fighting your son’s battles.

kaylagurl21 said "    Oryx said "There is no possible way, legally your son earns less than minimum wage which is $11.15/hr.   Why would expect anyone to believe that? " Delivery drivers at some companies pay per delivery. They are commission baised and employed as an independent contractor. This is how they get away without paying min wage. I agree it is crap but it is what it is and legally they can do it. "

your statement is incorrect. you cant be employed as an independent contractor - employed means employee, independent contractor means not an employee.  
 
if you're a contractor/not an employee then you're not having income tax, CPP or EI deducted from your cheque so these drivers are making their income tax free, or if they claim it, they can claim their vehicle expenses against the income and end up paying very little tax.  
 
if the person is actually a commission based employee then the only way to make it legal is that at the end of the month their "per delivery" income must be greater than minimum wage when you calculate it against their hours worked.  
 
i worked in commission sales for a long time

1984FadedStar said "I was a delivery driver for a couple years for a pizza chain. A lot of drivers are contract drivers, so they get paid per del: not an hourly wage. Which, if it’s busy, is awesome. Mostly I was tipped, and sometimes I wasn’t. That didn’t change my service. Was it kinda annoying? Yes. But I never went on the net to beg for tips. I did my job, looked presentable and always had a smile on my face. You can’t expect tips. They are a bonus. "

Some nights were a bonus!  
 
I had the same attitude and service regardless of the "regulars" who handed me $15 on an order totalling $14.90 haha  
Today I tip every driver. It's seldom their fault if something goes wrong with order. Unless they do something utterly offensive, I am tipping a couple of bucks at least.

It’s easy to sit there and judge a teenager for a job he can or can’t get. He’s applied all over and this is the one that was willing to take a chance on him.  
Secondly, my point was simply to please tip and pay attention to if you are paying a delivery fee or not. I never said that my son has terrible customer service and should be tipped regardless. He worked a 6 hour shift last night and received $14 in tips. That’s it. He said often people only tip $1 or $2. I’m not sure where you are getting your $200/night from.

That it may not be worth delivering pizzas. If he’s spending more then receiving then it’s time to cut losses and find something else . There’s no money in that anymore . I’m not sure why we even tip the drivers . They don’t make the food . If I’m gonna tip.. it’s going to be the server or cook that made/served our food . Not some kid who gets the food then tosses it in a bag and drives the 11 mins to just spend 30 seconds with a customer and expect a tip. I’ll tip a driver if they beat the delivery time. I think the employer should be paying the drivers since they are offering delivery .

scandal said "It’s easy to sit there and judge a teenager for a job he can or can’t get. He’s applied all over and this is the one that was willing to take a chance on him.   Secondly, my point was simply to please tip and pay attention to if you are paying a delivery fee or not. I never said that my son has terrible customer service and should be tipped regardless. He worked a 6 hour shift last night and received $14 in tips. That’s it. He said often people only tip $1 or $2. I’m not sure where you are getting your $200/night from. "

On a Friday/Saturday shift for a more popular pizza chain...easy to make $175-$200 by the end of a shift

scandal said "It’s easy to sit there and judge a teenager for a job he can or can’t get. He’s applied all over and this is the one that was willing to take a chance on him.   Secondly, my point was simply to please tip and pay attention to if you are paying a delivery fee or not. I never said that my son has terrible customer service and should be tipped regardless. He worked a 6 hour shift last night and received $14 in tips. That’s it. He said often people only tip $1 or $2. I’m not sure where you are getting your $200/night from. "

Back home I used to deliver. During the week sucked. It picked up the Thur/Fri/Sat as that is when people would be getting paid. Sure he may have made only $14 in tips. I am pretty sure the delivery place should be paying out a small vehicle delivery fee to the drivers. Sometimes we got that paid out every two weeks. One other thing to consider as a teen I never was honest with my parents on how much money I was bringing in. $100 night might tell my parents I made $40. Just saying he may have spent some tip money too. Drivers have potential for a lot of income......If not nobody would be doing it.

crunchy1885 said "    kaylagurl21 said "    Oryx said "There is no possible way, legally your son earns less than minimum wage which is $11.15/hr.   Why would expect anyone to believe that? " Delivery drivers at some companies pay per delivery. They are commission baised and employed as an independent contractor. This is how they get away without paying min wage. I agree it is crap but it is what it is and legally they can do it. " your statement is incorrect. you cant be employed as an independent contractor - employed means employee, independent contractor means not an employee.     if you're a contractor/not an employee then you're not having income tax, CPP or EI deducted from your cheque so these drivers are making their income tax free, or if they claim it, they can claim their vehicle expenses against the income and end up paying very little tax.     if the person is actually a commission based employee then the only way to make it legal is that at the end of the month their "per delivery" income must be greater than minimum wage when you calculate it against their hours worked.     i worked in commission sales for a long time "

I didn't read this comment in it's entirety, but thanks crunchy, for addressing the basics, because I didn't have it in me today. Legislation provides for even commission based salespersons to earn minimum wage. That said, there are many restaurants, including franchised restaurants that many people believe that "surely they follow the rules". In fact, many of them play fast and loose with the rules. If I was in the position the op's son is in, I would ask the CRA to make a ruling as to whether I was a contractor, or an employee. I would be interested to know if anyone has ever sought such a ruling as it pertains to delivery drivers.

If your pizza comes to the door, on time and costs $27.75, you ask for change from $30? Let’s say there’s no delivery charge in this case.

The choice is yours....  
 
However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.  
 
There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.  
 
Bring on the hate, lol.  
 
Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14

Brenda.. said "    scandal said "It’s easy to sit there and judge a teenager for a job he can or can’t get. He’s applied all over and this is the one that was willing to take a chance on him.   Secondly, my point was simply to please tip and pay attention to if you are paying a delivery fee or not. I never said that my son has terrible customer service and should be tipped regardless. He worked a 6 hour shift last night and received $14 in tips. That’s it. He said often people only tip $1 or $2. I’m not sure where you are getting your $200/night from. " your son needs to decide and take control of keeping his position or looking for another job. He needs to take control of his life, instead of his mother.     Again, I would be horrified if my mother got on an internet forum site and started saying a thread to please tip my son.     You starting a thread for your son, seems like you are a parent who needs to let go a bit. Let him figure out for himself how to make the money from the job alone to do what he wants, not to expect tips to help him move along in life - because tips are not mandatory, or a for sure thing.     No one said "he" was not courteous or pleasant.     Edited by Brenda.., 2018-05-29 17:56:02 "

Do you have thoughts specifically on the topic of delivery drivers and tipping or not? I believe that's the main intended topic of the thread.

Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14"

When we would get food delivered and it was cold or soggy, we would call, complain and tell them to take back their food and we'd have a refund. Lost a customer. There were too many food joints to accept crap food.  
 
Your "revenge" was neither professional or deserved by customers imo. If people hate their jobs, customers, policies, etc, people need to quit and find other employment. I get why you did it but you were the face of the company. Pretty sad behaviour. Not hate jmo  
 
We pick up our take-out for various reasons these days but tipping was never an issue when we got it delivered. Like the amount or not, it was what it was. Never tip for crappy food or service.

I don't agree that tips should be claimed on income tax. It's not part of their wage...I'm not their employer. It's a gift from me and it's not  
Guaranteed. Someone said if you can't afford to tip don't eat out. Well, if an employer can't afford to pay the employee don't have a business. Paying 1/2 of minimum wage and expecting your customers to pick up your slack is just pathetic. Furniture and car sales working on commission is a far cry from a delivery driver in percentage of sales and ware and tear on a vehicle.  
Also, the driver may just take your food to the door but u didn't have to warm up your car or use your gas to go out to get it, you give a few bucks in appreciation for the convenience. I would expect the drivers can claim expenses for using their own vehicle

Curious, what is the right tip when food is delivered? Percentage or flat rate? Most times we get food delivered, there is already a $3.50 delivery charge i:ncluded. Do you tip on top of that? And if so, percentage or flat rate? I usually do 10-15% but people’s comments have me thinking.

Adam said "    Brenda.. said "    scandal said "It’s easy to sit there and judge a teenager for a job he can or can’t get. He’s applied all over and this is the one that was willing to take a chance on him.   Secondly, my point was simply to please tip and pay attention to if you are paying a delivery fee or not. I never said that my son has terrible customer service and should be tipped regardless. He worked a 6 hour shift last night and received $14 in tips. That’s it. He said often people only tip $1 or $2. I’m not sure where you are getting your $200/night from. " your son needs to decide and take control of keeping his position or looking for another job. He needs to take control of his life, instead of his mother.     Again, I would be horrified if my mother got on an internet forum site and started saying a thread to please tip my son.     You starting a thread for your son, seems like you are a parent who needs to let go a bit. Let him figure out for himself how to make the money from the job alone to do what he wants, not to expect tips to help him move along in life - because tips are not mandatory, or a for sure thing.     No one said "he" was not courteous or pleasant.     Edited by Brenda.., 2018-05-29 17:56:02 " Do you have thoughts specifically on the topic of delivery drivers and tipping or not? I believe that's the main intended topic of the thread. "

I mentioned in a previous post I do tip my delivery driver if they do not continuously bang on my door, say hello, instead of just grunting and throwing it in my face, and don''t stand there after I have paid for 30 seconds waiting on a tip. This was when we ordered from wherever.  
 
Now we always order from the same place and I have yet to find a delivery driver I have not tipped from there, all very pleasant and there is no delivery fee.  
 
Edited by Brenda.., 2018-05-30 06:23:28

Hackeda said "    Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14" When we would get food delivered and it was cold or soggy, we would call, complain and tell them to take back their food and we'd have a refund. Lost a customer. There were too many food joints to accept crap food.     Your "revenge" was neither professional or deserved by customers imo. If people hate their jobs, customers, policies, etc, people need to quit and find other employment. I get why you did it but you were the face of the company. Pretty sad behaviour. Not hate jmo     We pick up our take-out for various reasons these days but tipping was never an issue when we got it delivered. Like the amount or not, it was what it was. Never tip for crappy food or service. "

"Never tip for crappy service"  
 
or vice versa,  
 
"Never give good service to crappy tippers"  
 
 
PS, the pizzas were in a warming bag - the customers did not get them cold, just a bit later than they would have if they tipped.  
 
Also - if you were to get honest answers from delivery people, they would all agree, bad tippers, non-tippers do not get priority service. I am not the only one that thought or thinks this.  
 
BTW, I always tip well, my pizzas always arrive quickly.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-30 18:30:38

Mommy_in_need said "Curious, what is the right tip when food is delivered? Percentage or flat rate? Most times we get food delivered, there is already a $3.50 delivery charge i:ncluded. Do you tip on top of that? And if so, percentage or flat rate? I usually do 10-15% but people’s comments have me thinking. "

Delivery charge = no tip.  
 
Flat rate but it varies. $26.50 order keep the change from $30. $30 order a couple of bucks or whatever I have handy usually.  
 
Never any more than that unless its 10+ pizzas for a party or something like that and it takes a few trips to the car and back.

Cee Jay 55 said "    Hackeda said "    Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14" When we would get food delivered and it was cold or soggy, we would call, complain and tell them to take back their food and we'd have a refund. Lost a customer. There were too many food joints to accept crap food.     Your "revenge" was neither professional or deserved by customers imo. If people hate their jobs, customers, policies, etc, people need to quit and find other employment. I get why you did it but you were the face of the company. Pretty sad behaviour. Not hate jmo     We pick up our take-out for various reasons these days but tipping was never an issue when we got it delivered. Like the amount or not, it was what it was. Never tip for crappy food or service. " "Never tip for crappy service"     or vice versa,     "Never give good service to crappy tippers"       PS, the pizzas were in a warming bag - the customers did not get them cold, just a bit later than they would have if they tipped.     Also - if you were to get honest answers from delivery people, they would all agree, bad tippers, non-tippers do not get priority service. I am not the only one that thought or thinks this.     BTW, I always tip well, my pizzas always arrive quickly.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-30 18:30:38"

Whether anyone admits it or not, I have to totally agree with you. We normally order from the same restaurant, tip generously(in my opinion) and ALWAYS get our food hot and quickly. We will be told 45 min to an hour, but very seldom will wait 45 min.  
 
That doesn't mean that the next customers (who tip nothing or very little) will get their food cold but I bet we get ours hotter and faster than them.

Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14"

You never worked ONE SHIFT for $55...tell me I'm wrong? I've been around the service/tipping industry most of my life and it's absolutely NO SECRET why 45 year old guys deliver pizza or why 45 year old people still serve food or work in industries with notoriously LOW wages...because they more than make up for it with tax free tips. No one would work for $55...you stayed because you ALWAYS made an additional $40-$100 night in tips, I don't even have to know you to know thats a fact.

MrDobalina said "    Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14" You never worked ONE SHIFT for $55...tell me I'm wrong? I've been around the service/tipping industry most of my life and it's absolutely NO SECRET why 45 year old guys deliver pizza or why 45 year old people still serve food or work in industries with notoriously LOW wages...because they more than make up for it with tax free tips. No one would work for $55...you stayed because you ALWAYS made an additional $40-$100 night in tips, I don't even have to know you to know thats a fact. "

You definitely suppose a lot.  
 
There were nights where the tips were good, but most nights we wqould be lucky to make 50 cents per delivery. However, I NEVER said the $55 was ALL we made. Yes, there were tips: some good, some bad, but HARDLY $40-$100/shift. That would have been way better than what we did. On a normal night I may have made 40 deliveries and possibly made $20 in tips. What a windfall that was!!!!!!!  
 
Take a slow Monday for example - we started at 4:00 and worked until 1:00 (No, the restaraunt didn''t close at midnight back then). Keep in mind the $55.00 was the minimum we were paid: after 30 deliveries we started making just under $1 per delivery.  
 
There were some really slow Mondays in the summer where I might have taken out 10 deliveries (two drivers through supper) in a nine hour shift. Not everyone tipped, as you so excellently prove, so I might have made $5.00 extra in tips to bring my total to $60.00 for a nine-hour shift. Remember, that also paid for necessary fuel and maintenance on the car.  
 
Yep, HUGE income..... lmao.  
 
P.S. The minimum wage was about $7.25 when I was delivering, so an eight hour shift at minmum wage would have been $58.00 - but no tips. A regular job would also not require driving all over the city to make a"tax-freee" fortune...  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-31 19:14:00

Cee Jay 55 said "    MrDobalina said "    Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14" You never worked ONE SHIFT for $55...tell me I'm wrong? I've been around the service/tipping industry most of my life and it's absolutely NO SECRET why 45 year old guys deliver pizza or why 45 year old people still serve food or work in industries with notoriously LOW wages...because they more than make up for it with tax free tips. No one would work for $55...you stayed because you ALWAYS made an additional $40-$100 night in tips, I don't even have to know you to know thats a fact. " You definitely suppose a lot.     There were nights where the tips were good, but most nights we wqould be lucky to make 50 cents per delivery. However, I NEVER said the $55 was ALL we made. Yes, there were tips: some good, some bad, but HARDLY $40-$100/shift. That would have been way better than what we did. On a normal night I may have made 40 deliveries and possibly made $20 in tips. What a windfall that was!!!!!!!     Take a slow Monday for example - we started at 4:00 and worked until 1:00 (No, the restaraunt didn''t close at midnight back then). Keep in mind the $55.00 was the minimum we were paid: after 30 deliveries we started making just under $1 per delivery.     There were some really slow Mondays in the summer where I might have taken out 10 deliveries (two drivers through supper) in a nine hour shift. Not everyone tipped, as you so excellently prove, so I might have made $5.00 extra in tips to bring my total to $60.00 for a nine-hour shift. Remember, that also paid for necessary fuel and maintenance on the car.     Yep, HUGE income..... lmao.     P.S. The minimum wage was about $7.25 when I was delivering, so an eight hour shift at minmum wage would have been $58.00 - but no tips. A regular job would also not require driving all over the city to make a"tax-freee" fortune...     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-31 19:14:00"

did you forget you said you only took out 10 pizza's? so not much wear and tear lol and the rest of the nights made up for it only making minimum wage on some night, no one would do it if you didnt

There are two ways to do this.  
 
1. Either the wages go up and you don't have to tip, resulting in more expensive pizza for everyone; or  
 
2. The wages stay the same, and the price on the menu stays the same.  
 
If you choose option 2, you either tip, or your pizza is subsidized by the people who do tip.  
 
I tip, and I try to tip well, because really what's a few bucks on any given night. If I subsidized your pizza because you're too cheap to tip a low-paid service provider, then you're welcome.

acidbasement said "There are two ways to do this.     1. Either the wages go up and you don't have to tip, resulting in more expensive pizza for everyone; or     2. The wages stay the same, and the price on the menu stays the same.     If you choose option 2, you either tip, or your pizza is subsidized by the people who do tip.     I tip, and I try to tip well, because really what's a few bucks on any given night. If I subsidized your pizza because you're too cheap to tip a low-paid service provider, then you're welcome. "

How about all orders that require pick up or delivery are discounted and leave the tipping up to the person ordering. By asking for take out or delivery there is no additional cost to the restaurant. No dishes to wash, servers to pay, electrical or heating/ac being used, etc.

Everyone and their dog wants a tip nowadays. Why should they get a tip for driving a pizza to your door on top of a $3-5 delivery fee? People get paid more in tips working at restaurants then some do in their regular wage working at other jobs. Now you see "Add a tip?" on interact machines everywhere. Tipping for what? Typing the amount owed into a machine? Everyone feels entitled to a tip.

traveller said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    MrDobalina said "    Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14" You never worked ONE SHIFT for $55...tell me I'm wrong? I've been around the service/tipping industry most of my life and it's absolutely NO SECRET why 45 year old guys deliver pizza or why 45 year old people still serve food or work in industries with notoriously LOW wages...because they more than make up for it with tax free tips. No one would work for $55...you stayed because you ALWAYS made an additional $40-$100 night in tips, I don't even have to know you to know thats a fact. " You definitely suppose a lot.     There were nights where the tips were good, but most nights we wqould be lucky to make 50 cents per delivery. However, I NEVER said the $55 was ALL we made. Yes, there were tips: some good, some bad, but HARDLY $40-$100/shift. That would have been way better than what we did. On a normal night I may have made 40 deliveries and possibly made $20 in tips. What a windfall that was!!!!!!!     Take a slow Monday for example - we started at 4:00 and worked until 1:00 (No, the restaraunt didn''t close at midnight back then). Keep in mind the $55.00 was the minimum we were paid: after 30 deliveries we started making just under $1 per delivery.     There were some really slow Mondays in the summer where I might have taken out 10 deliveries (two drivers through supper) in a nine hour shift. Not everyone tipped, as you so excellently prove, so I might have made $5.00 extra in tips to bring my total to $60.00 for a nine-hour shift. Remember, that also paid for necessary fuel and maintenance on the car.     Yep, HUGE income..... lmao.     P.S. The minimum wage was about $7.25 when I was delivering, so an eight hour shift at minmum wage would have been $58.00 - but no tips. A regular job would also not require driving all over the city to make a"tax-freee" fortune...     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-31 19:14:00" did you forget you said you only took out 10 pizza's? so not much wear and tear lol and the rest of the nights made up for it only making minimum wage on some night, no one would do it if you didnt "

Wow, do you ever suppose a lot without any first-hand knowledge. You obviously have a problem with delivery drivers being tipped. Not that I care: I don''t deliver any more. However, maybe YOU should become one for a few months so you will find out how mistaken you are and perhaps learn a lesson in humility.  
 
I took the delivery job while looking for other employment because I was a single parent who required an income and it was the first place that hired me. Despite how pathetic the wages were, it was better than welfare or no income at all.  
 
Even on a slow night (10 deliveries) a small car would burn off at least $10-$15 in gas - remember, not all deliveries are next door... and that awesome $55 also had to pay for fuel.  
 
Typically, on weekdays we would make between 20 and 35 deliveries, so our effective "windfall" (including that AMAZING tip income you seem so concerned about) would actually be less than minimum wage.  
 
I was done delivering the day I was hired at a regular job at just above minimum wage.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-06-02 17:50:30

Cee Jay 55 said "    traveller said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    MrDobalina said "    Cee Jay 55 said "The choice is yours....     However, when I delivered Pizza the known tippers got their orders first when I took out a run of more than one.     There was one guy, lived just a few blocks from the restaraunt, always tipped a nickel and made a joke about "buy yourself a cadillac".... his was always at the bottom of the pile. Sometimes it would be in my car for 20-30 minutes while the known "good" tippers got theirs first.     Bring on the hate, lol.     Also, the drivers were considered to be "self-employed. We recieved a $55/shift "car allowance" which i:ncluded a 30 delivery payment. We were paid less than $1.00 per delivery. If we made more than 30, we got the delivery "bonus". On a slow night, a 10-hour shift would only pay us $55.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-29 21:20:14" You never worked ONE SHIFT for $55...tell me I'm wrong? I've been around the service/tipping industry most of my life and it's absolutely NO SECRET why 45 year old guys deliver pizza or why 45 year old people still serve food or work in industries with notoriously LOW wages...because they more than make up for it with tax free tips. No one would work for $55...you stayed because you ALWAYS made an additional $40-$100 night in tips, I don't even have to know you to know thats a fact. " You definitely suppose a lot.     There were nights where the tips were good, but most nights we wqould be lucky to make 50 cents per delivery. However, I NEVER said the $55 was ALL we made. Yes, there were tips: some good, some bad, but HARDLY $40-$100/shift. That would have been way better than what we did. On a normal night I may have made 40 deliveries and possibly made $20 in tips. What a windfall that was!!!!!!!     Take a slow Monday for example - we started at 4:00 and worked until 1:00 (No, the restaraunt didn''t close at midnight back then). Keep in mind the $55.00 was the minimum we were paid: after 30 deliveries we started making just under $1 per delivery.     There were some really slow Mondays in the summer where I might have taken out 10 deliveries (two drivers through supper) in a nine hour shift. Not everyone tipped, as you so excellently prove, so I might have made $5.00 extra in tips to bring my total to $60.00 for a nine-hour shift. Remember, that also paid for necessary fuel and maintenance on the car.     Yep, HUGE income..... lmao.     P.S. The minimum wage was about $7.25 when I was delivering, so an eight hour shift at minmum wage would have been $58.00 - but no tips. A regular job would also not require driving all over the city to make a"tax-freee" fortune...     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-05-31 19:14:00" did you forget you said you only took out 10 pizza's? so not much wear and tear lol and the rest of the nights made up for it only making minimum wage on some night, no one would do it if you didnt " Wow, do you ever suppose a lot without any first-hand knowledge. You obviously have a problem with delivery drivers being tipped. Not that I care: I don''t deliver any more. However, maybe YOU should become one for a few months so you will find out how mistaken you are and perhaps learn a lesson in humility.     I took the delivery job while looking for other employment because I was a single parent who required an income and it was the first place that hired me. Despite how pathetic the wages were, it was better than welfare or no income at all.     Even on a slow night (10 deliveries) a small car would burn off at least $10-$15 in gas - remember, not all deliveries are next door... and that awesome $55 also had to pay for fuel.     Typically, on weekdays we would make between 20 and 35 deliveries, so our effective "windfall" (including that AMAZING tip income you seem so concerned about) would actually be less than minimum wage.     I was done delivering the day I was hired at a regular job at just above minimum wage.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2018-06-02 17:50:30"

how do you know who has first hand knowledge? Oh but we shouldnt assume right? lmao  
 
its been a long while since i worked a job that collected tips but my average tip take home was double minimum wage and thats what the kids i know tell me they receive in tips in the busier places, so ya most of the drivers AVERAGE better then minimum wage or they dont do it long, just like you said, you moved on to better

when i delivered most companies had free delivery so people always tipped well on weekends u went home with full pockets  
 
now that companies almost all have a delivery charge i see no need for tipping unless they went over and above for you which none do anymore  
 
usually its someone standing there looking confused till u just say keep it or hold your ground and get every nickel back as change or even better is the oh i dont have any change ( hmmm well go get change and come back then )

Brenda.. said "    scandal said "It’s easy to sit there and judge a teenager for a job he can or can’t get. He’s applied all over and this is the one that was willing to take a chance on him.   Secondly, my point was simply to please tip and pay attention to if you are paying a delivery fee or not. I never said that my son has terrible customer service and should be tipped regardless. He worked a 6 hour shift last night and received $14 in tips. That’s it. He said often people only tip $1 or $2. I’m not sure where you are getting your $200/night from. " your son needs to decide and take control of keeping his position or looking for another job. He needs to take control of his life, instead of his mother.     Again, I would be horrified if my mother got on an internet forum site and started saying a thread to please tip my son.     You starting a thread for your son, seems like you are a parent who needs to let go a bit. Let him figure out for himself how to make the money from the job alone to do what he wants, not to expect tips to help him move along in life - because tips are not mandatory, or a for sure thing.     No one said "he" was not courteous or pleasant.     Edited by Brenda.., 2018-05-29 17:56:02 "

She’s just a mom looking out for her kid! What’s the big deal.  
I’ve never had anyone “grunt and throw the package in my face”  
Maybe you should be a nicer person and people won’t do it to you either! Instead of waiting 30 seconds to decide if they should get your precious loonie. Shake my head.  
I tip my delivery drivers well. They are usually kids trying to earn a few bucks. We were all that age once!

Muffin. said "Everyone and their dog wants a tip nowadays. Why should they get a tip for driving a pizza to your door on top of a $3-5 delivery fee? People get paid more in tips working at restaurants then some do in their regular wage working at other jobs. Now you see "Add a tip?" on interact machines everywhere. Tipping for what? Typing the amount owed into a machine? Everyone feels entitled to a tip. "

I agree Muffin!!