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Bringing this up. I had no idea it is illegal here but coming from the uk and having worked in the motor trade over there for years I thought all of these add on fees were off. Dealers here have far too many staff on pay roll doing nothing, In Uk dealerships the vehicle salesman did it all, arranged finance, extended warranty (a rip off), took your payment and did all of the paperwork. When I buy a vehicle or equipment in Canada now I insist that I only deal with one person, the salesman.

If you pay more than the advertised price plus taxes then the dealership is not following the law. It doesn't matter if they insert something at the bottom of the page that says "plus fees" you don't have to pay anything except the advertised price plus taxes.  
 
If you paid any fees that weren't in the advertised price demand your money back and put a complaint in, there are fines for the dealers.  
 
https://www.gov.mb.ca/consumerinfo/file-complaint.html

What if you are not working off of an advertised price. Lots of people go into a dealership, look at models and ask what the prices are. What then?

Thanks for posting this. This has been a real burr under my saddle for years. I've bought several vehicles in the last few years and when it comes down to signing at the bottom, I tell them I'm not paying those fees. They seldom even argue with me and take them off the agreement. I wasn't aware that it was law until now. I'm in the process of looking for a vehicle right now and the dealership thinks they should get $800 documentation fee. (They might call it something else but it boils down to the same thing)

I believe the "sticker price" is considered the advertised price. So really, the price should be the price, because there will always be the sticker price.

If the car has a sticker in the window or if you see it advertised online. The only things they can add to the price are GST/PST. According to the law I believe even enviro fees have to be i:ncluded in the sticker prices.  
 
Obviously if you add things to the sale such as an extended warranty, winter tires, accessories etc. then that isn't what the law is about, those are add-ons and not i:ncluded. But when they say dealer fee of $500 applies but don't worry that i:ncludes tire damage or something like that. I'll be very clear, total BS, they are selling you a tire damage warranty worth $50 for $500 and is a crooked practice. Or if they try and charge you a PPSA fee of $700 it is also a crooked practice. The PPSA fee is something that's a cost of doing business for dealers when they finance, it's a few dollars a year to register a lien with the Government of MB. Some dealers take advantage of people and say it's financing fees and mark it up 500% and tack it on the bill. And the usual thing is it's a standard fee everyone pays it.  
 
Please, please, if anyone is doing this or has done this to you don't pay or demand money back and report it to the complaints link I provided in a previous post.

In Manitoba, all cars at a dealership have to have the price on the car along with details.  
 
Gone our the days when a sales people could set the price to what they think they could get out of the customer.  
 
Not saying anything bad about dealers or salespeople. I have run into very good ones and very nice.  
 
Watch the "we pay the first 3 months". Make sure to take a picture of that sign and look very careful over the finance agreement.  
 
When I went to pay off my loan near the end of the term, the 3 months had just been moved to the end of my loan: never was paid by dealership.

What sort of document should be in sales contract to declare previous damage to a vehicle? is there a specific dollar amount that needs to be declared? Is there a standard form or is each dealer using their own locally produced form?

another good resource is to purchase or request to see a current carfax on any vehicle you plan to purchase.

because it is in the finance office is where they make the most money. When buying a car don't talk financing at all until the final price is laid out in front of you in the finance chair. They will push all the way along to try and find out your terms and how you want to pay so they can set the monthly payment you proclaimed to want to pay rather than the total cost of the vehicle. I always draw a line in the sand. You tell me what I am paying TOTAL and I will tell you if I am buying the car. The one that really gets me is delivery and destination. I cannot buy the car if you don't have it on the lot. I did not order this vehicle.

even though the vehicle is fixed properly by an accredited shop some dealerships want nothing to do with a vehicle that has a large claim against it. I had ram pickup that had an $18500 repair job done by previous owner and when I went to trade it in I had dealers that handed me the keys back and say they didn't want it and others discounted it up to $6000+ because of it.  
Know the history of the vehicle before you buy. Ask a lot of questions and ask to see documents. If at any point the seller hesitates, WALK AWAY!

Does this i:nclude used cars from a dealership as well as new cars? What if they say there are dealer fees or extra fees on the sticker in the first place?

Still ILLEGAL......! sticker price and taxes only, is what they should charge. Worked for us, when we threatened to walk away. (Bought two used cars)