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We've since had to forgo our Brandon sun subs:cription so I might be out of the loop. is there someone running for the Liberals? I do know about Larry Maguire of course and have noticed signs for a Whitney Hodgins running for the NDP.  
 
Can anyone provide any info?

Linda Branconnier has been acclaimed as the Liberal candidate. Apparently she works in Winnipeg

for your answer, never heard of the lady. Wonder why she doesn't just run in Winnipeg?

At the Clarion or old Royal Oak Inn was extremely busy lot of people in line. Parking lot was almost full.  
Decided wait until tomorrow and headed over to Rotary Club Book Sale.  
Parking lot there was just as full.  
 
Personally haven’t seen anyone in our area campaigning - no phone calls- and only one pamphlet that was from PC candidate came in mail yesterday

is so blue, a bag of rocks with a Conservative label will win. In the history of this riding, only once has the riding gone to another party. And that was in 1993 when the Conservatives only won 2 seats. So it looks like the Liberal party just picked a random person to be put on the ballot knowing it wasn't worth the time and money to even try.

I would think that is because the majority of the people in this riding (and western Canada) understand the importance of: 1-Agriculture, 2-a healthy economy absolutely needs small/private business and 3-responsible money management. I’m not saying your bag of rocks is perfect, but I think traditionally the Conservative party (in almost any country) has done a better job of addressing these points, both federally and provincially. If you have food in the house today, thank the farmers and the agricultural industries that provide for you. Your food may come from the supermarket but that’s not where it originates. Pretty much any business or industry owes its success to agriculture. Think about it…farming is the only industry where you pay full retail for all your inputs and are expected to sell at wholesale …and make money. Pretty much whatever you are doing to earn income is a spinoff of agriculture. Most of Manitoba and western Canada understands that.

The Conservatives being more fiscally responsible is a nice legend that they've drilled into their supporters' heads, too bad history doesn't support this conjecture.  
 
In my almost 48 years on the planet, I believe there were more balanced budgets from Liberal governments than from the Conservatives. It was Chretien/Martin that got the budget under control in the 90s and they were definitely not Conservatives. Sure, the elder Trudeau let the deficit take off, but the Mulroney government really let it take off.  
 
The Conservatives have always talked the better game, but they always get bogged down giving tax cuts to the rich before the deficit is eliminated.

Conservatives like to talk the big talk, but never deliver. Their view of fiscal responsibility is to use the trickle down method. Give tax breaks to the big corporations and the rich and hope it trickles down. It has never worked.  
 
I love Jock McBiles take on the National Debt. John Morgan from the Royal Canadian Air Farce.  
 

It’s more where and how effectively government spending is utilized. I’ve lived on two continents and run a fifth generation business and conservative governments always deliver more business friendly policy and greater more stable economic growth for the long term.

The trickle down effect of wealth is what provides opportunity and jobs for everyone else and allows people to advance and improve themselves.

support the Conservatives for many reasons. Their views on social, environment, science, fiscal and other issues I do not agree with. I'm on the liberal side of the political spectrum. Conservatism only looks to the past and yearns of yesteryear. Their "traditional family values" worldview is right from the 1950's. Conservatism is very binary and strict in their worldviews. Everything is black/white, on/off, yes/no with no leeway for other views. And many of those views are based on religious grounds. Essentially it says this in the Bible and is the only way things must be. Conservatism does not welcome change in the world.  
 
The conservative view on COVID has been scary. I'm sure if Scheer won the election, we would be in the same boat as the US.  
 
The way conservatism in the US is going scares me and is starting to show big time here in Canada. You have wanna be dictators like Trump, Abbott, DeSantis to name a few but there are many more. I have many family and friends who would love to see those strict conservative views here.

has never worked. The wealth never trickles down and there has been no advancements.

https://ethicalunicorn.com/2021/06/30/what-is-trickle-down-economics-why-it-doesnt-work/  
 
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trickledowntheory.asp  
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/01/04/trickle-down-economics-does-not-exist-the-benefits-of-capitalism-do/?sh=3e81bb261acc

So all of the businesses large and small providing jobs and opportunity to people in your opinion is a failure. You need a reality check my friend.

you that needs a reality check. The facts point to conservative fiscal policies worldwide are smoke and mirrors. The rich get richer. And to get richer, they outsource jobs out of country where labour and materials are cheaper.

I've been listen too during the election is Curse of Politics. They give a good breakdown of the election from both the Conservative and Liberal sides.  
 
I'm listening to Curse of Politics: The Herle Burly Political Panel on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/pa/dir-ty77x-20a955

It depends on what you think success looks like. If a mega-corporation providing jobs is your definition of success, then sure, it has been great.  
 
But companies don't provide jobs. They need people in order to function. So the question is really whether the people they need are compensated fairly. And I think most would agree that in many, many cases, they are not. And I'd argue you shouldn't look at it from the perspective of 'x type of labor doesn't deserve more than minimum wage', but rather how much money is that company (and its executives) raking in while doing everything it can to evade taxation and trickling-down wealth to it's employees.  
 
Then ask yourself whether your government having to use your tax dollars and massive deficits to pay out all manner of social benefits because so many people do not make a livable wage or have a livable pension is the shining example of trickle-down economics success that you think it is.  
 
It has absolutely been a failure and the consolidation of wealth absolutely has gotten worse. And we're all paying the price.

corporate owners are going to maximize profit over paying employees a livable wage everyday. They are not going to filter the profits to the employees, they are going to store it, pay dividends to shareholders. The more tax breaks they get, the more they will tuck away. Look at what happened in the US under Trump with his tax breaks to the wealthy business owners, same with COVID help. None of it went to the employees, it went to the owners, shareholders, stock buybacks.  
 
Trickle down economics only benefits the already wealthy. If it worked, employees would be doing great. And don't just focus on a small group of industries where employees make the big bucks, oil industry. Of course what happened when the oil market fell in 2014, that big $100+ oil profit vanished.

Under Harper, the debt still rose. He never lowered it in any significant way. He turned a $13 billion surplus to a deficit of $5.8 billion. Raised the national debt by $150 billion. So all the talk about how Harper was so great with economics is hogwash. He never did much better than other Prime Ministers. Same with the talk of Conservatives being better with national finances, more hogwash.  
 
https://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers-fiscal-record-is-a-catastrophe/  
 
https://cortescurrents.ca/canadas-national-debt/  
 
https://pressprogress.ca/6_charts_show_stephen_harper_has_the_worst_economic_record_of_any_prime_minister_since_world_war_ii/

Individual betterment and achievement comes from hard work, commitment and dedication.

You are absolutely right. It’s a shame that a lot of people don’t understand how the economy truly works. Everyone talks about big bad cooperations but the fact is that mostly small family run businesses continue to provide the stable backbone of our economy. These people are often not wealthy but are dedicated and love what they do.  
Many small business owners and entrepreneurs know what it is to get their hands dirty and are prepared to work long days, often 7 days a week because they understand that is what it takes. 9-5 hours don’t cut it for many small business owners.  
The trickle down effect or more accurately the ripple effect provided by businesses large , medium and small to the wider economy has been proven many times to be a huge economic benefit and driver of economic growth.

I only wanted to know who was running for the Liberals is Brandon Souris, not give any one the opportunity to slam one party or the other.  
 
Any way, hope people get out and vote. Horrible that we have to do so in a pandemic and the fourth wave coming at us.

There is only the greed and ambition of one person to blame for calling an election during this time and creating additional risk. A good chunk of Canadians may not forgive him for it.

The only thing that "trickle down" economics has ever led to is wage exploitation. It's a conservative myth, and there has never been anything to suggest that what you've said is true.  
 
It's a talking point.  
 
Labor is what creates actual value, and the VAST majority of businesses are created without any personal financial investment, exist without any personal liability, and it's about time that ends.

I don’t think Conservatives or Liberals are a whole lot different these days. However if we don’t stand up to our governments that want to get bigger, control us and and “ take care of and keep us safe”, we will be the next Venezuela. 20 years to go from most prosperous country in SA to poorest and one of the most dangerous along with next to no human rights. We need to wake up or it will be too late!

My great great grandfather was the village blacksmith. Sensing that demand for his trade would diminish he rented an estate farm. Three rented farms later and after a lot of work his son my great grandfather bought his own farm.  
I left high school and joined the workforce as a mechanic which I worked at for twenty years while I saved working my way to foreman at 23. After that 20 years I bought my way into the farm which we then moved and expanded. We are not a large farm or business by any means but if that is not an example of hard work and growth than I don’t know what is..  
People pull themselves up and out of hard situations and poverty every day through hard work, study and self improvement. You make your own luck in this life and anyone can improve their future direction.  
The notion that someone never had a chance is fantasy.  
Many highly successful and wealthy entrepreneurs started with nothing and don’t have a qualification to their name but they still made it against the odds.  
The problem nowadays is that people are lazy and they expect a lot for doing very little. People have forgotten how to work and think that they are above it.  
 
Edited by Farmergeorge, 2021-09-12 15:25:44

That is true but the point is that our family initially started with nothing like many others.  
A family business is the same as any other. Those that don’t pull their weight get fired.  
Without a business to buy into I would have bought our neighbours smaller property, worked that and continued to work as a mechanic. You make your own luck and it isn’t always easy

Well, here's a story to muddy the waters a bit. We can achieve lots with a little hard work, but also with a little hand up.  
 
Both my mother's parents were born on farms in rural Manitoba, in the Interlake and east of Lake Winnipeg respectively . Why? Because their parents immigrated to Canada under the Dominion Land Act.  
 
The Act, enacted in 1872, opened up the West for settlement, with Treaties 1 and 2 having recently been signed. It was created by the MacDonald government, a Conservative. It was ultimately championed and expanded by Sir Clifford Sifton, a Liberal.  
 
Under the Act, recent and new immigrants were given the opportunity to earn a quarter section of land basically for free except for their hard labour - they had to clear a certain amount of land, build a residence, and live on the land at least 6 months of the year.  
 
So many families came, including mine. They came with nothing, and had nothing to lose. The lands my family were assigned are especially hard - not like the land out here, but rocky and wooded terrain that was challenging to break and clear. But their sheer determination made it work, and they earned their land patents and carved a life for themselves here.  
 
Did they work hard? Yes. Did they succeed by their hard work alone? No. They essentially took a government handout to the tune of a quarter section of land.  
 
Incidentally, one of those farms is still in the family. My mother's cousin farms near Fisher Branch, and lives in the house originally built by my great-grandfather. It's been in the family since 1911.

They were effectively given a quarter deemed virtually worthless at the time and they hoped to turn it into something, a home, a living by their own labour.  
Many failed, lots didn’t have the skills, Many drew a poor lot of land, others were destroyed by the climate. They started with virtually nothing and tried to make something of themselves.

It is absolutely ridiculous that the Liberal candidate for Brandon Souris has not provided a profile for the electorate of this riding. Unless there is some very compelling reason for not doing so, this candidate has lost my vote.