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You said "As for Climate Change, don't even get me started on anthropogenic climate change, the biggest hoax of the millennium and don't bother to try to tell me otherwise. You'll never convince me of anything and you'll never force me to back down."  
 
It is stubbornness such as this that keeps any meaningful dialog open. Just because you don't WANT to believe doesn't make you right and the evidence is not in your corner.  
 
-“If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” - Sam Harris  
 
Marpet

I think almost everyone is aware of those ice core samples that scientists have been drilling for in the Arctic and Antarctic, well they provide a very detailed timeline of carbon and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. They can be traced back to events like Pompeii, Mnt St. Helens, etc.  
Natural events like these have had miniscule effect, as compared to the start of the industrial revolution until now.  
So yes, I do believe that climate change is real.  
I also believe it's too late to do anything about it, although we should definitely try. This is our planet, our home. We have not been very good caretakers, and I say kudos to Justin Trudeau for leading the way. He is definitely attracting much more attention to the problem, and hopefully the rest of the world follows his example.

Was there not an ice age? Did it melt? Was there the amount of pollution then as there is now? Maybe the dinosaurs saw climate change coming and started taxing the ground the slept on, or the caves they'd stay in, or the leaves off the trees some of them ate. Yet climate change STILL happened then as it will continue to until the end of time.  
Do people think that if everyone in the world stops using fossil fuels that climate change will just stop? The earth is a living thing and just like you or me it can get sick no matter what is going on around it.  
 
But the biggest thing to talk about is how a carbon tax will fight climate change. What plans has JT put forward that aren't just buzzwords that try to make him sound hip and like he cares.  
Then to go on and tell the provinces if you don't do something I'll force this down your throat. Sounds like a dictator to me and the liberals out there who called Harper a dictator really have to look in the mirror now as this tax is going to cost the average Canadian $1200-$2500 a year as it's a tax everything tax.  
Also to top it all off the Liberals are staying the course with the targets the Conservatives put out for emissions reduction. Funny how they say it's not enough when they are in opposition but when they get power they don't change a thing.  
But I guess a carbon tax will cause people to spend less money therefore reducing emissions because people are buying less.

You nailed it.  
Canadians must look beyond tomorrow, but 10 years down the road, and if we let these current liberals govern with a open book, we are in deep doodoo

Triplethreat said "Yes.     Although the transition from free country, from free society, to total dictatorship isn't quite complete yet, given the way things are going in this country, it soon will be. One of the first steps toward dictatorship or communist regime as some believe we've become or, at least, are becoming, was the omission of Property Rights from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The second step took place at the same time, when a real guarantee of Freedom of Speech was also left out of our constitution. The Charter should read something like "every citizen of Canada has the right to freedom of speech and no government shall make any attempt to limit or restrict freedom of speech and expression". Now don't go telling me that there are some things we shouldn't be allowed to say. Of course you're not allowed to incite others to riot, to commit murder or commit other violent crimes and we have libel laws to prevent people from spreading malicious lies about others in public. What we don't need are restrictions on free speech that prevent people from speaking the truth just because there is a possibility that some group or individual may be offended by the truth, or in many cases, may not want the truth to come out because the truth will hamper the agenda of some activist group.     Instead of having a constitution that protects property rights and clearly protects freedom of speech, we ended up with a charter that does nothing to protect private and personal property. It also does very little to protect freedom of speech, in fact, the charter doesn't even directly mention freedom of speech. Because of this fact, so called "hate speech laws" were able to be passed that not only restrict the rights of Canadians to speak freely, these laws actually make it much easier for those among us who want to use our laws to take all of our freedom away to actually be able to do it. The adherents to the brain numbing doctrine of Political Correctness immediately come to mind. The predominantly left wing activist groups and certain "front groups" are the ones who are constantly trying to find new ways to force their agenda down the throats of all Canadians and these so called "hate speech laws", which are nothing more than restrictions on free speech, are just the tools that they needed. So, if you ask me, Canada took a major step toward totalitarian dictatorship in the early eighties, with the introduction of the Charter and the subsequent passing of restrictions on free speech.     Don't expect Justin Trudeau to be a one term wonder. He and the Liberals are hell bent on changing the way we elect governments in this country. No doubt their main reason for changing the electoral system is to better their chances of staying in power for decades to come. We, as Canadians, must demand a national referendum be held for such an important change to the way governments are elected in our country. It is our right to have a say. As for Justin Trudeau, he won't be prime minister for ever, but there are suggestions that his brother would like to have the keys to 24 Sussex Drive, so we could see another Trudeau as prime minister in the not too distant future.     As for Climate Change, don't even get me started on anthropogenic climate change, the biggest hoax of the millennium and don't bother to try to tell me otherwise. You'll never convince me of anything and you'll never force me to back down. Besides, you guys on the left have pretty much got what you wanted, even though that won't be enough for you. You'll just keep coming back demanding more and more like you always do, saying things like "it's a step in the right direction but it didn't go far enough". Sound familiar? It should. It's one of your favorite lines. Climate Change is the angle that the left has been using for the past three decades and will continue to use to bring us into their socialist/communist utopia, hell would be a better description, of a United Nations run one world government. Speaking of the UN, I don't give a damn what the UN thinks of us. The UN is made up of totalitarian regimes that slaughter democracy protesters in the streets, arguably insane power hungry dictators who not only execute anyone who they believe is against them but also have the entire family of perceived transgressors imprisoned indefinitely and/or executed. It's also made up of religious theocracies where women have no rights whatsoever and can even be legally murdered by a male family member. So why should I care what they think of me? Why should we care what those embarrassments to humanity think of Canada? Apparently, some of you on the left do care and that makes me wonder if maybe you actually condone what they do. Some of those murderous tyrants are very good communists and socialists, after all. LOL!     I also don't care what the European Union politicians think of Canada either. Most of them are in the process of turning, or have already turned, their countries into essentially bankrupt, socialist "welfare state" basket cases, largely by means of their way too liberal immigration and refugee policies. No wonder Britain voted to get free of the EU!     The same will happen here if we are not careful. The Liberals and future Liberal-NDP-Green coalition governments, made possible by Trudeau's proposed electoral reform, will no doubt turn Canada into the same kind of bankrupt, politically correct socialist basket case as many countries in the EU have become, thanks to similar political ideology. PM Trudeau, while in Europe not too long ago, as much as told the refugee claimants that, if they couldn't get into Europe they could come to Canada. Of course, part of the reason for telling them that has to be the hope that, if they do come and they will, they will vote for the party that flung the gates open, promised them all sorts of goodies and told them that, as soon as they are warm and comfy, they can bring in their extended families who will then be entitled to all of the same goodies. So, when I say that I wouldn't expect Trudeau to be a one term wonder, you can see why I might think that he won't be. As for us becoming a dictatorship of some type, we are well on our way and in my opinion, it started while his father was prime minister, when Property Rights and meaningful protection of Freedom of Speech were left out of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. "

Especially like the parts about how you will never ever change your mind.  
 
I would suggest looking outside of the David Icke, Alex Jones and Fox news outlets for a more rounded opinion.  
 
In Canada, we also have this thing called Emigration, if you hate it here that much, feel free to employ it.  
 
Marpet

You said "Was there not an ice age? Did it melt? Was there the amount of pollution then as there is now? Maybe the dinosaurs saw climate change coming and started taxing the ground the slept on, or the caves they'd stay in, or the leaves off the trees some of them ate. Yet climate change STILL happened then as it will continue to until the end of time.  
Do people think that if everyone in the world stops using fossil fuels that climate change will just stop? The earth is a living thing and just like you or me it can get sick no matter what is going on around it."  
 
Pretty confident the dinosaurs didn't do anything about it. Also pretty confident they had nothing to do with it. The scientific record suggests that the ice age was brought on by a rapid increase in CO2 in a relatively short period of time leading to warming that slowed the oceans currents bringing about rapid cooling of the Earth...an ice age.  
 
What caused this warming? The evidence points to some unusually high volcanic events in a condensed time frame causing a large release of CO2 into the atmosphere.  
 
So what do we assume from this?  
 
A rapid release of CO2 in a short period of time leads to a warming planet that slows or stops the ocean currents which stops heat from reaching the northern latitudes allowing rapid cooling of the area allowing glaciers to increase further cooling the climate bringing on an extended period of cooling.  
 
So where has the increased levels of CO2 come from? Seen any volcanoes lately or even an increase in their frequency over the historical record? What about other sources?  
 
I can think of 1.  
 
"Data for the past 2000 years show that the atmospheric concentrations of CO2, CH4, and N2O – three important long-lived greenhouse gases – have increased substantially since about 1750. Rates of increase in levels of these gases are dramatic. CO2, for instance, never increased more than 30 ppm during any previous 1,000-year period in this record but has already risen by 30 ppm in the past two decades." -https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/greenhousegases/industrialrevolution.html  
 
The other gas that seems to be consistently ignored is Methane.  
 
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases  
 
I wonder what effect all the animals raised for meat are having on climate change?  
 
http://www.skepticalscience.com/how-much-meat-contribute-to-gw.html  
 
But your right, KJ2013, global warming happens anyways and we have nothing to do with it.  
 
We needn't worry about whether the Earth will survive but if we are contributing to a climate that wont sustain life.  
 
Marpet

Hmm I think carbon tax is a sneaky little way for the government to get people to pay more money and look good at the same time.

KJ2013 said "Was there not an ice age? Did it melt? Was there the amount of pollution then as there is now? Maybe the dinosaurs saw climate change coming and started taxing the ground the slept on, or the caves they'd stay in, or the leaves off the trees some of them ate. Yet climate change STILL happened then as it will continue to until the end of time.   Do people think that if everyone in the world stops using fossil fuels that climate change will just stop? The earth is a living thing and just like you or me it can get sick no matter what is going on around it.     But the biggest thing to talk about is how a carbon tax will fight climate change. What plans has JT put forward that aren't just buzzwords that try to make him sound hip and like he cares.   Then to go on and tell the provinces if you don't do something I'll force this down your throat. Sounds like a dictator to me and the liberals out there who called Harper a dictator really have to look in the mirror now as this tax is going to cost the average Canadian $1200-$2500 a year as it's a tax everything tax.   Also to top it all off the Liberals are staying the course with the targets the Conservatives put out for emissions reduction. Funny how they say it's not enough when they are in opposition but when they get power they don't change a thing.   But I guess a carbon tax will cause people to spend less money therefore reducing emissions because people are buying less. "

Please read a book. Start with a science book about climatology and climate history. There are several available to you. If you want me to suggest titles, let me know and I will, but I suspect you are happy "knowing" things that you've never taken the trouble to learn about from a qualified expert.  
 
As for how a carbon tax will fight climate change, it's pretty easy:  
 
1. Currently, carbon emissions cost us all money because climate change isn't cheap.  
 
2. The industries that cause climate change should be paying for climate change. This will take away an unfair economic advantage that they currently enjoy.  
 
3. A carbon tax will ideally be used to either subsidize clean tech, or at least reduce the amount of other tax that we are currently paying.  
 
I am also curious as to how it will be implemented, and we'll have to hold JT to account if it's not done properly. It's a step in the right direction, and while it's too little-too late given the threat of climate change (again, please read a credible book before you call me out on this statement), I'm tentatively optimistic.

Marpet said "With the news of the Carbon tax being implemented (which I support in principle), I would like to ask where the money will go once it is collected. Will it be used as incentives for green technology or can we expect general mismanagement that seems to always follow the implementation of new taxes? I await your response.     Will post his response.     Marpet "

Hi Gord,  
 
Thank you very much for your email regarding the Liberal’s plan to implement a carbon tax. I also have asked the same question and have yet to receive a response. At this point, the Liberals have yet to really outline what a carbon tax would mean for regular hardworking Canadians, those on fixed incomes, our energy and agricultural sectors. I oppose any efforts by the federal government to increase the overall tax burden on Canadian taxpayers whereby government revenue is increased in order to pick winners and losers in the marketplace and to spend those revenues on political priorities rather than on the priorities of Canadians.  
 
The Liberal Government was supposed to negotiate and work out a pan-Canadian approach this week with the various Ministers of Environment in Montreal, however while that meeting was going on, Prime Minister Trudeau announced in the House of Commons the federal government would impose a price on carbon regardless of what individual provinces would like to reduce carbon pollution in their own jurisdiction. It should also be noted the Premier of Saskatchewan, the Premier of Nova Scotia and the three Territorial Premiers have all opposed the imposition of a federal carbon tax in an area of shared jurisdiction.  
 
I also have some real concerns on what a carbon tax will do to Westman communities. Many folks have to drive long distances to go to work or school on a daily basis. Our farmers already spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on fuel for their machinery. In Brandon we have a few large companies that use a lot of natural gas in the manufacturing of goods.  
 
Regardless of the fact that Canada only represents 1.6% of global GHGs, the Conservative Party fully understands that Canada must do its part in addressing our own emissions. That is why our Conservative Government established rigorous GHG reduction targets and embarked upon regulating the coal-fired electricity sector and light- and heavy-duty vehicle emissions.  
 
We worked to improved international climate change adaptation by working with the World Bank to assist those countries that are especially vulnerable to the adverse effects of climate change.  
 
We announced investments in 19 new clean technology projects under the Asia-Pacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate. These projects i:ncluded the design of green buildings for communities, research in solar and wind power, and the recovery of gas from landfills.  
 
We invested heavily in carbon capture technology, and also protected a record amount of parkland and made historic investments in wetland and boreal forest restoration and protection, adding considerably to Canada's capacity to absorb (sequester) global GHG emissions.  
 
We began a sector-by-sector regulatory approach. In fact, ours was the first government in Canadian history to actually see GHG emissions reduced.  
 
I apologize in advance for the lengthy response but I believe it’s important that you know where I stand. Thank you once again Gord for your email and I appreciate that you let me know your thoughts on this issue. As always, please don’t hesitate to contact me directly if I can be of assistance on any federally related matter.  
 
Best wishes,  
Larry

There is no doubt he is rewriting some rules that are not the transparency he promised. He is slow to do things he promised . Bill C51 is a caae.  
 
Our Parliamentary system and First past the Post voting system gives the Prime minister more Governing power with less checks and balances than the US President.  
 
I say so what? Yes our country has had leadership difficulties. Yet like the British, bureaucrats do most of the real work .  
 
We still have the best country. Poor decisions or dated ones can and our undone in most cases when we throw the last party out.  
 
If we go to any other voting system any decision done by coalition or multi parties no matter how dumb would be near impossible to undo. Since all parties were involved in the first stupid decision.  
 
Justin lack of making tough choices so far may be a god send. He seems to be kicking the decision can down the road. So far I give him a C. Dictatorship -no. Just how a single majority Government should be run. We can point to one party at election time and deal with the bums.

KJ2013 said "Was there not an ice age? Did it melt? Was there the amount of pollution then as there is now? Maybe the dinosaurs saw climate change coming and started taxing the ground the slept on, or the caves they'd stay in, or the leaves off the trees some of them ate. Yet climate change STILL happened then as it will continue to until the end of time.   Do people think that if everyone in the world stops using fossil fuels that climate change will just stop? The earth is a living thing and just like you or me it can get sick no matter what is going on around it.     But the biggest thing to talk about is how a carbon tax will fight climate change. What plans has JT put forward that aren't just buzzwords that try to make him sound hip and like he cares.   Then to go on and tell the provinces if you don't do something I'll force this down your throat. Sounds like a dictator to me and the liberals out there who called Harper a dictator really have to look in the mirror now as this tax is going to cost the average Canadian $1200-$2500 a year as it's a tax everything tax.   Also to top it all off the Liberals are staying the course with the targets the Conservatives put out for emissions reduction. Funny how they say it's not enough when they are in opposition but when they get power they don't change a thing.   But I guess a carbon tax will cause people to spend less money therefore reducing emissions because people are buying less. "

but I'm just guessing here the dinosaurs did nothing.  
 
What we do know is that after they did nothing they became extinct. Whether that is connected or not is hard to tell but either way I cannot think of a single worse example you could use to further your argument.

sprinter said "You nailed it.   Canadians must look beyond tomorrow, but 10 years down the road, and if we let these current liberals govern with a open book, we are in deep doodoo "

Why is that?

Well, after following the presidential debates and campaigns down in the US, I'm beginning to understand the damage that a loose cannon can have on a political party. We have two interesting comments on here posted by conservative people, as far as the political ideology goes. One basically portrays anyone who considers climate change a concern as a left wing, socialist or communist person with no understanding of anything, and a threat to our country. The other comment, a response by our sitting member in parliament, shows that the conservative government was making an effort in reducing carbon emissions.  
It's true that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but calling those with a different opinion the scourge of the earth in political reference, (left wing,socialist, communist) and may actually end up hurting a political party, case in point might be Donald Trump.

don brown said "Well, after following the presidential debates and campaigns down in the US, I'm beginning to understand the damage that a loose cannon can have on a political party. We have two interesting comments on here posted by conservative people, as far as the political ideology goes. One basically portrays anyone who considers climate change a concern as a left wing, socialist or communist person with no understanding of anything, and a threat to our country. The other comment, a response by our sitting member in parliament, shows that the conservative government was making an effort in reducing carbon emissions.   It's true that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but calling those with a different opinion the scourge of the earth in political reference, (left wing,socialist, communist) and may actually end up hurting a political party, case in point might be Donald Trump. "

...my question posed to the MP should not imply my political leanings. It was posted simply because he is our sitting member. That is who you contact with questions or comments about our government. I support a carbon tax in principle and put our MP to task and question what the government plans to do with the collect tax dollars. The posting of his response was simply because that is what I said I would do in the earlier post. In further communication with Mr. Maguire he indicated that he may write an OP-Ed with regards to this issue.  
 
Just to clarify.  
 
Marpet

That's my point swmb, they did nothing that caused climate change and yet it still happened.  
 
I get this feeling that people think a tax on carbon is "doing their part" and that it will be helping combat the problem without them actually doing anything.  
 
Taxing people is not the answer. The liberals criticized the conservatives for the emissions targets as not being enough but now it's good enough for them AND they want to impose a new tax

The comment I made was not intended to try and tie anyone to any political party, but to show that the concerns of climate Change are held by the majority of people.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-climate-change-trudeau-raitt-1.3792865  
 
So I am watching parliament footage of Trudeau talk about his "Carbon Pricing" and how Canadians need to do their part in protecting the environment. How the heck is it supposed to do just that? So he admits this "tax" will help our environment. So we get taxed and it is up to each province to do what they feel is necessary with the money. WTF does that mean? What if the government just returned the money back to the taxpayers? We destroy the land for development yet don't allow enough wetland or green space to allow mother nature to heal herself. Why are we not doing more to protect the land itself? People are against mines, pipelines, etc yet has anyone ever seen a reclaimed mine site? I have, animals introduced, fish, etc. The land was left in better condition than what it was previous. If it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside knowing you are paying another environmental tax to do your part then so be it. Don't force it down the throats of others. If we were all save the environment we would be opening recycle depots and pay deposits on goods and be forced to bring them in for the deposit back instead of tossing in the garbage or maybe, just maybe putting it in the proper recycle bin. There are many environmental ideas that can be accomplished to offset carbon in the air vs just taxing the crap out of us Canadians.

Well said. Other initiatives could be taken instead of a tax grab. If you've been to a garbage dump it's disgusting how much is thrown out because nothing is built to last anymore.  
Maybe the onus should be put on manufacturers to build a product that lasts that way there is less thrown out thereby reducing emissions.

I think that, if the intent is to reduce emissions, a more direct approach would be to increase the tax on gasoline for non-farm and commercial users. Gas at $2.50/L would certainly reduce Canada's carbon footprint and encourage less fuel-intensive behavior.

ronfay said "I think that, if the intent is to reduce emissions, a more direct approach would be to increase the tax on gasoline for non-farm and commercial users. Gas at $2.50/L would certainly reduce Canada's carbon footprint and encourage less fuel-intensive behavior. "

work real good if minimum wage was about $20.00 an hour. Don''t forget that there are people need to drive to get to work and hospital appointments, go buy food and many any other things in their lives. That aren''t in a position to bike catch a bus or move! Before anybody starts on that topic again. Or they simply cannot afford to go buy a new vehicle that is environmentally friendly and still pay the other bills that are rising rapidly like food and hydro.  
 
Edited by Farmboy74, 2016-10-07 11:15:57

Marpet said "    Marpet said "With the news of the Carbon tax being implemented (which I support in principle), I would like to ask where the money will go once it is collected. Will it be used as incentives for green technology or can we expect general mismanagement that seems to always follow the implementation of new taxes? I await your response.     Will post his response.     Marpet " Hi Gord,     Thank you very much for your email regarding the Liberal’s plan to implement a carbon tax. I also have asked the same question and have yet to receive a response. At this point, the Liberals have yet to really outline what a carbon tax would mean for regular hardworking Canadians, those on fixed incomes, our energy and agricultural sectors. I oppose any efforts by the federal government to increase the overall tax burden on Canadian taxpayers whereby government revenue is increased in order to pick winners and losers in the marketplace and to spend those revenues on political priorities rather than on the priorities of Canadians.     The Liberal Government was supposed to negotiate and work out a pan-Canadian approach this week with the various Ministers of Environment in Montreal, however while that meeting was going on, Prime Minister Trudeau announced in the House of Commons the federal government would impose a price on carbon regardless of what individual provinces would like to reduce carbon pollution in their own jurisdiction. It should also be noted the Premier of Saskatchewan, the Premier of Nova Scotia and the three Territorial Premiers have all opposed the imposition of a federal carbon tax in an area of shared jurisdiction.     I also have some real concerns on what a carbon tax will do to Westman communities. Many folks have to drive long distances to go to work or school on a daily basis. Our farmers already spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on fuel for their machinery. In Brandon we have a few large companies that use a lot of natural gas in the manufacturing of goods.     Regardless of the fact that Canada only represents 1.6% of global GHGs, the Conservative Party fully understands that Canada must do its part in addressing our own emissions. That is why our Conservative Government established rigorous GHG reduction targets and embarked upon regulating the coal-fired electricity sector and light- and heavy-duty vehicle emissions.     We worked to improved international climate change adaptation by working with the World Bank to assist those countries that are especially vulnerable to the adverse effects of climate change.     We announced investments in 19 new clean technology projects under the Asia-Pacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate. These projects i:ncluded the design of green buildings for communities, research in solar and wind power, and the recovery of gas from landfills.     We invested heavily in carbon capture technology, and also protected a record amount of parkland and made historic investments in wetland and boreal forest restoration and protection, adding considerably to Canada's capacity to absorb (sequester) global GHG emissions.     We began a sector-by-sector regulatory approach. In fact, ours was the first government in Canadian history to actually see GHG emissions reduced.     I apologize in advance for the lengthy response but I believe it’s important that you know where I stand. Thank you once again Gord for your email and I appreciate that you let me know your thoughts on this issue. As always, please don’t hesitate to contact me directly if I can be of assistance on any federally related matter.     Best wishes,   Larry "

Thanks for going the extra mile and then posting for us. You have more political patience than I do.  
 
I just read the reply as a wordy non-answer/commitment...typically political.  
 
I would like Larry and the PCs to take a stance on this new tax and tell us how they are going to let it affect Manitobans.  
 
At election time the PCs bought many votes by telling us how they know Manitobans are suffering financially. Now they want us to help them balance the budget with our ideas.  
 
I would just like a straight answer from Larry. How will this carbon tax affect Manitobans?

http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/tbs/tp/climate/A1.htm  
 
$260 million dollars returned to taxpayers, one of the lowest provincial tax rates in the country and cash incentives for "green choices".  
 
There is a lot of fearmongering on this thread. "Prices will sky rocket"....etc. Yes, I imagine there will be increases....that's the point. Make using carbon more expensive so that people start to think about it and maybe make better choices. If you don't want toone, then you pay more.  
Kind of like cigarettes...you can smoke but it'll cost you.  
 
This is a "throw away" society, as stated earlier. People won't change their habits on there own. Provincial governments won't change policy on their own, for fear of not being re-elected. We now finally have a government who is saying "that's enough, we'very talked enough and it's time for action".  
 
Instead of whinning and bitching, get some patience for our political system and contact your MP. It took me 3 minutes to write an Email. Tell them what you think. Make yourself heard.  
 
...and take the time to click the link and become informed. There's more to the Internet than twitter, FB and ebrandon.  
 
Marpet

I live in BC and the carbon tax does make the price of fuel and heating a bit more. Right now the price of gas in BC, with a $30/tonne carbon tax is $1.059/ltr and Brandon price, with no carbon tax, is $1.029/ltr. Not much of a difference. All of the carbon tax is returned to the people giving us the lowest tax rate in Canada.  
Trudeau has given the provinces time to implement their own carbon pricing and what they want to do with the money. If the provinces don't come up with their own plan then one will be implemented federally.  
BTW, Trudeau has been consulting the people of the country and found that a majority favour some kind of carbon pricing.

Fuel in B.C is way more than here.  
Gas in Surrey BC is $1.239 - $1.279  
Cranbrook B.C is $1.119, Brandon is $1.029. Winnipeg is $99.9  
BIG DIFFERENCE.  
Carbon tax is/will be the biggest scam on the planet.  
There is a reason Australia got rid of all types of carbon tax.  
It does NOTHING to reduce your "carbon footprint"

The price in Prince George is $1.029 and Surrey is $1.279. Winnipeg is 95.9 at Costco and $1.029 in Brandon.  
The high price in Surrey has nothing to do with the carbon tax but the high cost of living there that the gas stations need to cover.  
The lowest price in BC and the lowest price in Manitoba is only 7 cents and I get that back in tax returns every year. I'll keep paying and hope that the government gives incentives for carbon neutral energy development.

...is that if you walk outside your house right now and look up...the sky is still there? It's not lying in pieces on the ground?  
 
Thanks for some actual insight from someone experiencing this so called tax grab.  
 
Marpet

I think the point of the tax is to create change. Changes like:  
 
1. Smaller vehicles  
2. People driving less  
3. More electric vehicles.  
 
More expensive fuel, even if just for personal use, would have a massive impact on society. Imagine what would happen to recreational gasoline use. Or the decline in value of acreage properties.

Smaller vehicles, less driving etc. Really.....and how do you suppose the airplanes are going to stay up in the sky flying.....uuugggghhhh.....seriously....I for one will not get on a "electric plane"....we still need gas.....period....idiot Trudeau needs his private plane to jet set around the world taking selfies.

Grandma - please do some basic research into the subject before making wild claims. I'm pretty sure that airplanes aren't going to be grouneed because there is no fuel. Just sayin'  
 
Farmer - those aresponsible all assumptions. Check the link to the BC governments carbon tax plan. ALL TAX DOLLARS ARE RETURNED TO THE TAX PAYER. It can't be said any clearer then that.  
 
Do some research.  
 
Marpet

Is pushing for clean air, climate change means no pollution which in turn is gas emissions.....therefore they want all cars in the near future to be electric cars.....that is why I made a comment about the plane.....nothing is far fetched when it is the liberals talking period!!!