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bigmoe
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bigmoe
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Russian hockey players
3/1/2022 at 9:15 AM

Nothing personal against Russian hockey players in the NHL or WHL but I can’t see how they can continue to have them play given the situation in Ukraine.
Summertime
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Summertime
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What??
3/1/2022 at 9:44 AM

Russian hockey players are not responsible for the decisions of the Russian leader, and should not be punished for the actions of the government. To think so is ridiculous
bigmoe
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bigmoe
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3/1/2022 at 11:41 AM

Not punishment. Not directly responsible but all Russians should be sanctioned on a matter of principal. Maybe they will go home and in the future have a more positive influence on their country. And what about the innocent Ukrainian’s killed and the millions displaced? Sanctioning hockey players would effected far less but the symbolic gesture is needed. You just tell them we’re sorry but we have no choice.
bigmoe
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bigmoe
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3/1/2022 at 11:52 AM

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/should-nhl-punish-russian-players-oppose-putin?auto=true
Exhausted
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Exhausted
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How about interment camps?
3/1/2022 at 2:04 PM

Let’s forget all about lessons learned in the past.

What we did Japanese Italian German Canadians?

Let’s round up all Russia background people and take all their possessions and throw them into camps as prisoners. Separate families. Who cares if they have been here for generations?

Well you know what I care and many others do.

Russia people are not responsible for their leader’s decision. Many in Russia are protesting against this risking their future families and lives.

Do you know what happens in a protest? All are arrested. Majority just have a black mark against their name. The black mark means young people can’t get education. Many other things happen to all. And if a second black mark appears worse consequences.

Leave the hockey players alone. These are individuals. They don’t represent Russia.

I agree with banning Russia teams who represent the country. That is different.
Gussins
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Gussins
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Wow.
3/5/2022 at 2:11 AM

bigmoe said "Not punishment. Not directly responsible but all Russians should be sanctioned on a matter of principal. Maybe they will go home and in the future have a more positive influence on their country. And what about the innocent Ukrainian’s killed and the millions displaced? Sanctioning hockey players would effected far less but the symbolic gesture is needed. You just tell them we’re sorry but we have no choice. "
You don't have a clue about the politics, culture or mindset of the Russian people. Please educate yourself.
Adam

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Adam
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Ovechkin
3/5/2022 at 6:17 AM

I don't think you can or should blanket-discipline just because of nationality. Eg Panarin who has actively spoken out against Putin. Doesn't mean there aren't cases where more is necessary. Don’t care if he’s one of the greatest of all-time or that every missed week could be the difference between getting the all-time goals record, imo more needs to be done about the Ovechkin problem. Link below takes to a thread that outlines:
Some background on Ovechkin's pro-Putin activism uD83EuDDF5
As many of you know, in 2014, when Putin annexed Crimea and invaded Donbas, waging a bloody, horrific war there (that conveniently serves as a pretext for the current invasion), Ovechkin took part in a pro-Kremlin campaign...
— Slava Malamud uD83CuDDFAuD83CuDDE6 (@SlavaMalamud) March 5, 2022

more at https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/01/alex-ovechkin-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-nhl-hockey-russia

Still as of this moment has kept his Instagram profile pic as himself with Putin which in this context is him using the platform provided by the NHL in a way they should not be okay with. Can’t help but wonder if he needs to be forced to a similar fork in the road as Anna Netrebko:
Russian soprano Anna Netrebko withdraws from future engagements at the Metropolitan Opera rather than repudiate her support for President Putin. https://t.co/dfEr6fPUu4
— NBC News (@NBCNews) March 4, 2022
oikos
Joined: Oct 2021
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oikos
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Wow
3/5/2022 at 10:27 AM

Gussins said "You don't have a clue about the politics, culture or mindset of the Russian people. Please educate yourself. "
You don't have a clue about sanctions. Please educate yourself. "
Simonwalcal
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Simonwalcal
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Enough
3/5/2022 at 11:04 AM

I really wish people would keep Russian Hockey players and other civilians out of this, particularly when many of them are going out of the way to distance themselves from their leader. If American athletes didn't have to distance themselves from the Donald, Russian athletes also should not have to suffer for the sins of their leader.

The same goes for the pulling of consumables like Russian vodka. I get the sentiment, but I can't help thinking that the people working on the production line are not in Putin's inner circle. Things get dicier if these oligarchs are shareholders (or otherwise profiting from the sale), but that it another matter altogether. And given that investors tend to spread their money around, I'm not sure that the harm to the low-income worker is worth the peace of mind of taking a bit of profit from a rich person.
Abbysmum
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Abbysmum
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Power and politics
3/5/2022 at 11:20 AM

Simonwalcal said "I really wish people would keep Russian Hockey players and other civilians out of this, particularly when many of them are going out of the way to distance themselves from their leader. If American athletes didn't have to distance themselves from the Donald, Russian athletes also should not have to suffer for the sins of their leader.

The same goes for the pulling of consumables like Russian vodka. I get the sentiment, but I can't help thinking that the people working on the production line are not in Putin's inner circle. Things get dicier if these oligarchs are shareholders (or otherwise profiting from the sale), but that it another matter altogether. And given that investors tend to spread their money around, I'm not sure that the harm to the low-income worker is worth the peace of mind of taking a bit of profit from a rich person. "
That's just the thing - unless the *people* of Russia get rid of Putin, there's no way to get rid of him short of us assassinating him (which I assume I don't need to explain why that's a Terrible No Good Idea).

Part of the idea of sanctions is in fact to make the people suffer in hopes that they turn inward. We can't win this war without Russians being on our side, even if the motive is ultimately to relieve their own suffering instead if any altruistic motive.
nicemoustache
Joined: Apr 2012
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nicemoustache
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Yes….
3/5/2022 at 12:57 PM

Abbysmum said "That's just the thing - unless the *people* of Russia get rid of Putin, there's no way to get rid of him short of us assassinating him (which I assume I don't need to explain why that's a Terrible No Good Idea).

Part of the idea of sanctions is in fact to make the people suffer in hopes that they turn inward. We can't win this war without Russians being on our side, even if the motive is ultimately to relieve their own suffering instead if any altruistic motive. "
Certainly on a much different scale but Kind of the same mentality as a trucker convoy….suffering is maybe a stretch but it did spawn the Emergency Measures Act, which should not happen because people are “inconvenienced”.
Exhausted
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Exhausted
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People were more than inconvenienced
3/5/2022 at 1:09 PM

nicemoustache said "Certainly on a much different scale but Kind of the same mentality as a trucker convoy….suffering is maybe a stretch but it did spawn the Emergency Measures Act, which should not happen because people are “inconvenienced”. "
Anyone thinking that people were just unconvinced by convoys. Have not be reading the facts.

Let me know where you live and I will drive a couple of semis in front of your house blocking your drive and parking and blow the horn for 3 weeks and leave them running so you can breath in the fumes.

Then tell me you were just inconvenienced. And that is just the minimum of what happened to people.
nicemoustache
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nicemoustache
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Relax exhausted
3/5/2022 at 3:35 PM

Exhausted said "Anyone thinking that people were just unconvinced by convoys. Have not be reading the facts.

Let me know where you live and I will drive a couple of semis in front of your house blocking your drive and parking and blow the horn for 3 weeks and leave them running so you can breath in the fumes.

Then tell me you were just inconvenienced. And that is just the minimum of what happened to people. "
….I said the mentality of applying pressure would be similar. And obviously, by whoever is in charge, they deemed it necessary to invoke the Emergency Act so…in spite of me and you not being there, we can assume it was more than an inconvenience, right? And given my vocation, I’m quite keenly aware of what diesel fumes smell like, being stuck in traffic is like, and what air horns sound like.