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Does anyone know if there are plans in the works to put in some crosswalks in the south east area of town? I was driving down 9th street today and it was alarming how many children there are and no crosswalks! Especially on 9th street and woodlands. The bus drops children off on one side, and then many are crossing 9th street to get home...and some of these children do not look very old. I think the safety of these children should be a concern for the residence here, and the city. It is quite unsafe if you are a driver whom is not familiar with the area.

are going home then there must be an adult in the home, why doesn't the parent/caregiver watch out for their kids?

I guess the point of the op is some crosswalks may be needed in between intersections. That is my take.  
 
We all want to walk from point a to b just as the crows fly. Crosswalks that are not at a intersections make sense when there is heavy foot traffic for one reason or another.  
If there is a ton of jaywalkers it is for a reason.

Rosser Ave, for example, has tons of crossings, however people seem to think they own the streets and can walk out in front of vehicles where ever they want, whenever they want. I see it daily.

SparkyJones said "Considering any and every intersection, by law is a cross walk and motorists must yield the right of way to prdestrians, I'm pretty sure there's plenty. Unless the children are crossing in the middle of the block. Then that's j-walking and should be assessed by their parents. "

no you don't cross any intersection as you please and cut off traffic.  
if you cross any intersections walking north or south on 9th st then you have the right first because cars have a stop sign in those intersections before crossing or turning on 9th st. but pedestrians do not have the right to cross 9th st to go east or west as they please because they are no stop signs for cars to drive on 9th st.

have nothing to do with a pedestrian's right to cross a street at an intersection.

1 chance said "    SparkyJones said "Considering any and every intersection, by law is a cross walk and motorists must yield the right of way to prdestrians, I'm pretty sure there's plenty. Unless the children are crossing in the middle of the block. Then that's j-walking and should be assessed by their parents. " no you don't cross any intersection as you please and cut off traffic.   if you cross any intersections walking north or south on 9th st then you have the right first because cars have a stop sign in those intersections before crossing or turning on 9th st. but pedestrians do not have the right to cross 9th st to go east or west as they please because they are no stop signs for cars to drive on 9th st. "

Are you daft? Every intersection is to be treated like a pedistrian crossing or crosswalk. If the intersection has lights follow the rules as indicated by the lights. This is the only exception. If there are people standing at the side of the road waiting to cross and you drive by you are breaking the law and quite frankly being an A-hole.

that part of a highway at an intersection distinctly indicated for pedestrian crossing by a traffic control device or by lines or other markings on the surface thereof

fdsafdsa said "    1 chance said "    SparkyJones said "Considering any and every intersection, by law is a cross walk and motorists must yield the right of way to prdestrians, I'm pretty sure there's plenty. Unless the children are crossing in the middle of the block. Then that's j-walking and should be assessed by their parents. " no you don't cross any intersection as you please and cut off traffic.   if you cross any intersections walking north or south on 9th st then you have the right first because cars have a stop sign in those intersections before crossing or turning on 9th st. but pedestrians do not have the right to cross 9th st to go east or west as they please because they are no stop signs for cars to drive on 9th st. " Are you daft? Every intersection is to be treated like a pedistrian crossing or crosswalk. If the intersection has lights follow the rules as indicated by the lights. This is the only exception. If there are people standing at the side of the road waiting to cross and you drive by you are breaking the law and quite frankly being an A-hole. "

a pedestrians can cross Victoria Ave or Richmond Ave, 18th St at any intersection if they want?  
Is it the same pattern for a pedestrian crossing a street on Portage Ave in Winnipeg? Stop the flow of traffic. Why have painted and post sign of crosswalks if you can cross 1 or 2 blocks further or where ever you feel like to cross an intersection.  
Not once in my whole life one called me daft so you are wrong. Not because you do not like or agree with someone that they are daft.

you quoted only the first part of the crosswalk definition. It is a multi-player definition. there are unmarked crosswalks!  
 
From the MPI drivers handbook:  
edestrian Safety Crosswalks    
Pedestrians have the right-of-way at both marked and unmarked crosswalks.    
   
Unmarked Crosswalks — These are extensions of sidewalks across a road at an intersection. No markings or signs are required. However, precaution should be taken at all times.    
   
Marked Crosswalks — These i:nclude crosswalks at intersections controlled by traffic lights, school crosswalks and pedestrian crosswalks.    
 
 
From the highway traffic act:  
 
 "crosswalk" means  
 
(a) that part of a highway at an intersection distinctly indicated for pedestrian crossing by a traffic control device or by lines or other markings on the surface thereof, or  
 
(b) that part of a highway elsewhere than at an intersection distinctly indicated for pedestrian crossing by a traffic control device and by lines or other markings on the surface thereof, or  
 
(c) that part of a highway that is i:ncluded within the straight production across the roadway, directly and not diagonally  
 
(i) of the lateral lines of the sidewalk on either side of any roadway intersecting or meeting the highway, or  
 
(ii) of the lateral lines of any sidewalk that intersects or meets the highway on either side thereof,  
 
measured, in each case, from the kerb, or in the absence of kerbs, from the edge of the roadway on which the crosswalk is situated, and i:ncludes a pedestrian corridor: (« passage pour piétons »)  
 
In the highway traffic act part c describes an unmarked crosswalk.

Even after 137 seperate eBrandon threads about crosswalks some people still don't get it.  
 
There is a crosswalk in each direction at every intersection, yes even on 18th Street or Portage Avenue. There does not need to be lines painted on the road or signs posted. It doesn't matter if its a 4-way, regular stop sign, yield, or no traffic control device. Unless its controlled by traffic signals (those red, yellow and green light-up thingys) you MUST STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS!!!!!

1 chance said "    fdsafdsa said "    1 chance said "    SparkyJones said "Considering any and every intersection, by law is a cross walk and motorists must yield the right of way to prdestrians, I'm pretty sure there's plenty. Unless the children are crossing in the middle of the block. Then that's j-walking and should be assessed by their parents. " no you don't cross any intersection as you please and cut off traffic.   if you cross any intersections walking north or south on 9th st then you have the right first because cars have a stop sign in those intersections before crossing or turning on 9th st. but pedestrians do not have the right to cross 9th st to go east or west as they please because they are no stop signs for cars to drive on 9th st. " Are you daft? Every intersection is to be treated like a pedistrian crossing or crosswalk. If the intersection has lights follow the rules as indicated by the lights. This is the only exception. If there are people standing at the side of the road waiting to cross and you drive by you are breaking the law and quite frankly being an A-hole. " a pedestrians can cross Victoria Ave or Richmond Ave, 18th St at any intersection if they want?   Is it the same pattern for a pedestrian crossing a street on Portage Ave in Winnipeg? Stop the flow of traffic. Why have painted and post sign of crosswalks if you can cross 1 or 2 blocks further or where ever you feel like to cross an intersection.   Not once in my whole life one called me daft so you are wrong. Not because you do not like or agree with someone that they are daft. "

I was inquiring if you were daft. Meaning are you intending to be silly or foolish in your original post.  
 
The law is quite clear in calling out crosswalks marked or unmarked. Don't take it so personally, but robustly voicing your "opinion" in a thread where there is clearly right and wrong according to the law is asking to have comments directed at you.  
 
I apologize if you felt personally attacked.

Trying to cross Kirkcaldy, at any point..if you want to cross over to the path, its near impossible. Another is the bus stop on Kirkcaldy by Corral Centre. south side) If you are disabled, or pushing a baby stroller to get to Walmart, you must cross the street, wheel up a curb, wheel down a curb, then wheel up another curb. That "boulevard" should be made with sloped accessible curbs. Or Move the bus stop to the intersection where there are lights for safe crossing.

I'm sorry. My original post wasn't meant to cause an uproar as to what is an intersection and what is not. To clear up any confusion I feel there should be a MARKED crosswalk at that intersection at 9th and woodlands due to the heavy foot traffic in the area. When I drove past there were many many children getting off buses in the area. Obviously the rules are not clear to all, as you all have your own opinions as too what constitutes a crosswalk. What is frightening about that is with all the differences in knowledge regarding bylaws, I can only assume differences are also being taught to our children. For the posters who put it all on the parents...you can tell a kid something 100 times and they still will do their own thing....this is especially true for older kids!!! And I don't feel that parents of 8,9, 10 year olds need to hold their hand and walk them home. Children can get distracted and easily step out onto a street forgetting to look, or assume the car will stop, because they are taught they have the right away. This post is about the safety of the children that live in this area and if there are plans for a marked crosswalk(s) for that intersection and that area in general. I don't think it is a huge ordeal to put a couple painted lines down and a couple signs out up to create more awareness for drivers is all.

Betty1818 said "I'm sorry. My original post wasn't meant to cause an uproar as to what is an intersection and what is not. To clear up any confusion I feel there should be a MARKED crosswalk at that intersection at 9th and woodlands due to the heavy foot traffic in the area. When I drove past there were many many children getting off buses in the area. Obviously the rules are not clear to all, as you all have your own opinions as too what constitutes a crosswalk. What is frightening about that is with all the differences in knowledge regarding bylaws, I can only assume differences are also being taught to our children. For the posters who put it all on the parents...you can tell a kid something 100 times and they still will do their own thing....this is especially true for older kids!!! And I don't feel that parents of 8,9, 10 year olds need to hold their hand and walk them home. Children can get distracted and easily step out onto a street forgetting to look, or assume the car will stop, because they are taught they have the right away. This post is about the safety of the children that live in this area and if there are plans for a marked crosswalk(s) for that intersection and that area in general. I don't think it is a huge ordeal to put a couple painted lines down and a couple signs out up to create more awareness for drivers is all. "

I am not familiar with that neighbourhood, but I honestly do not think a "marked crosswalk" would make any difference.  
 
The problem is an ignorance issue on both sides - 1) Children are not only not taught to respect traffic and use crosswalks safely, but I have seen parents at our school ENCOURAGE their kids to jaywalk rather than walking the 20 feet to the cross walk. If parents cannot be good role models and teach kids safe/correct procedures than what good are cross walks?  
 
2) Drivers get impatient and/or belligerent with all the pedestrians and start forgetting rules too.  
 
I get it, I have to drive through a couple of school zones each day and it can be so frustrating the interruption of traffic flows.  
 
I think the only truly proven safe way to alleviate issues is to have crossing guards like they have on Richmond by Meadows. (However they have to be smarter in how they let kids cross - I hate when they allow constant streams of stragglers cross - they need to stop traffic only when a larger group forms) But then how to you force kids to use the marked crossings? You have to have a really good information blitz go out and maybe even have bylaw officers give fake "warning" tickets.  
 
I don't know what the answer is, what I do know is there is wrong on both sides of that coin.