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Anyone know what's going on there?

another semi tried going under the bridge!

If my memory serves me correct, the last time the bridge was hit was in May of 2015. So things are improving.  
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-11-23 17:10:22

One of these days there will be a death caused by someone's stupidity. Something has got to change expecially after what 10-15 cases in the past 5-10 years.

I'll say it again. Close 1A to truck traffic. Although things have gotten better with the massive signs that tell truckers it a no go under bridge it's still a disaster waiting to happen.

Solution would be to slightly reroute 1A around Kenney and make the rail crossing an at grade one.

ABCSS said "I'll say it again. Close 1A to truck traffic. Although things have gotten better with the massive signs that tell truckers it a no go under bridge it's still a disaster waiting to happen. "

LMAO, Im sure if the trucker cant see the 100 warning signs already adding another sign will fix the issue, im wondering if part of the issue is that they dont know how easy the detour is, maybe more signage there or reroute the 1A altogether, the only other solution i can think of is to put up alternating barricades that make it impossible to corner a trailer around, like they did on the temp hartney bridge

How the heck can a "professional" truck driver not see and follow the directions on the multiple signs on either side of that bridge. If they can't follow directions, then fire them and pull their Class 1 permits. The drivers I know, understand those signs and what reason they are there for and are not stupid. They would never try to go under that bridge, or any other that has warning signs.

I've always wondered why there is a western access route into Kemnay at all. All traffic between Brandon and highway #1 could go on the road east of Kemnay,past the elevator. Then the only access to Kemnay would be from the east. There should be no more semi's going under the bridge and traffic in town would be next to nothing, way safer for everyone.

One problem with an access at the elevator is that it is not really on level ground like the present route, not sure if it is at the very bottom of that little valley but it is in an awkward place as well.

Love how ppl say trucks are bad shut down as truck route I use that route and y don't u stop and think wtf can u put in ur mouth that a truck doesn't haul..... ur F in foot that's what. If I knew who u were I'd have no problem smacking u around for saying that. How about mb hiway cause who in heck would allow for a 12ft bridge. truck route gravel road seems like it only graded once every 2 years should be paved and lights there sensor cuz some days it's really hard to get on that road cuz that dip. so hopefully guy wrecks the bridge fill in the hole and allow trucks right through quit blaming truck drivers some of them are not from here some have put millions miles on accident free some just have bad days we have all had bad days. Running into a bridge I would rather do that then run someone over on hiway cuz there in too much of a hurry. And that's what most 4 wheelers are in now a days

that sucks...again!  
Need more signage or signalage?

1. Punctuation, it helps.  
2. I'm in the industry as well and every professional driver I know also shakes their head every time someone smacks that bridge.  
As for your comment "everyone has a bad day"? Well a drivers bad day could have far worse consequences then some. Lack of attention as a professional driver isn't an option when pulling the amount of weight these trucks pull.  
As for the alternate route, it's your choice to use it or not. Going around and driving those extra miles is also an option. It's not always convenient but you get used to that doing this.  
The bridge has been there for years, it's not moving, the appropriate warning signage is there and for the most part it works.

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, so maybe all the words should be taken down, and a flashing yellow sign that shows a semi stuck under the overpass is put up.  
I sometimes wonder if we live in a intelligent society or not, there are sensors put up to warn the driver that the truck is too tall, but if you want someone to stop you should not be warning with a yellow caution but stop the flow of traffic with a red stop light. A flashing red light or a solid red light is something that very very few drivers ignore, and with the use of timers within the system you could have a system that works like this. Over height truck breaks beam which turns on flashing red lights, and maybe the sign that shows the truck stuck under the overpass, and after a given amount of time the system resets,  
 
Edited by don brown, 2016-11-24 06:53:57

I'm quite surprised that with the number of times this bridge has been hit by trucks, that it hasn't been shifted to the point of being unsafe for trains going over it. One of these days a truck will hit it with just the right angle or speed( while a train is passing over) and a serious break or shift will happen and someone will die. I hope we never hear of that happening, but it is possible.

picture from CBC  
 
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/semi-trailer-stuck-bridge-brandon-manitoba-1.3865283

Juggler99 said "1. Punctuation, it helps.   2. I'm in the industry as well and every professional driver I know also shakes their head every time someone smacks that bridge.   As for your comment "everyone has a bad day"? Well a drivers bad day could have far worse consequences then some. Lack of attention as a professional driver isn't an option when pulling the amount of weight these trucks pull.   As for the alternate route, it's your choice to use it or not. Going around and driving those extra miles is also an option. It's not always convenient but you get used to that doing this.   The bridge has been there for years, it's not moving, the appropriate warning signage is there and for the most part it works. "

Well said....

They should install those automatic bollards that come up out of the ground, have them just before the bridge and linked to the height sensors further back. Then if a vehicle is too high the bollards automatically come up, if a driver keeps going he will hit the bollards and not the bridge. But this may be hard to do with Canadian winters.

don brown said "Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, so maybe all the words should be taken down, and a flashing yellow sign that shows a semi stuck under the overpass is put up.   I sometimes wonder if we live in a intelligent society or not, there are sensors put up to warn the driver that the truck is too tall, but if you want someone to stop you should not be warning with a yellow caution but stop the flow of traffic with a red stop light. A flashing red light or a solid red light is something that very very few drivers ignore, and with the use of timers within the system you could have a system that works like this. Over height truck breaks beam which turns on flashing red lights, and maybe the sign that shows the truck stuck under the overpass, and after a given amount of time the system resets,     Edited by don brown, 2016-11-24 06:53:57"

in some states they are red, why they are not here IDK it would maybe be an improvement  
 
I also wonder why so many use that route at all, beside grain guys that likley know the area and the bridge OTR truckers dont have many deliveries on that side of town (that I can think of anyway) so its not even making a long detour to go to the right way into brandon anyway  
 
I do get that the gravel terminal road isnt the best but that is the choice if the guy doesnt want to go north out of town first  
 
the other thing i will add is that while the bridge has been hit many times it has primarily been with vans/reefer type trailers , those types of boxes are not all that structural or heavy so they take the majority of the damage allowing the bridge to still pass the inspection, now if hit with a piece of equipment or something more solid the bridge may take a bit more of the damage  
 
Edited by traveller, 2016-11-24 10:54:53

Jimm said "Love how ppl say trucks are bad shut down as truck route I use that route and y don't u stop and think wtf can u put in ur mouth that a truck doesn't haul..... ur F in foot that's what. If I knew who u were I'd have no problem smacking u around for saying that. How about mb hiway cause who in heck would allow for a 12ft bridge. truck route gravel road seems like it only graded once every 2 years should be paved and lights there sensor cuz some days it's really hard to get on that road cuz that dip. so hopefully guy wrecks the bridge fill in the hole and allow trucks right through quit blaming truck drivers some of them are not from here some have put millions miles on accident free some just have bad days we have all had bad days. Running into a bridge I would rather do that then run someone over on hiway cuz there in too much of a hurry. And that's what most 4 wheelers are in now a days "

Quit blaming Truck drivers? Who then should get the blame for a semi truck hitting a bridge??  
SHould Hi-ways get the blame? Or the bridge builder? MAybe the guy who passed the driver on his Class 1 test should get the blame?  
Any of those people or am I missing someone?  
PLease help!!

traveller said "    don brown said "Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, so maybe all the words should be taken down, and a flashing yellow sign that shows a semi stuck under the overpass is put up.   I sometimes wonder if we live in a intelligent society or not, there are sensors put up to warn the driver that the truck is too tall, but if you want someone to stop you should not be warning with a yellow caution but stop the flow of traffic with a red stop light. A flashing red light or a solid red light is something that very very few drivers ignore, and with the use of timers within the system you could have a system that works like this. Over height truck breaks beam which turns on flashing red lights, and maybe the sign that shows the truck stuck under the overpass, and after a given amount of time the system resets,     Edited by don brown, 2016-11-24 06:53:57" in some states they are red, why they are not here IDK it would maybe be an improvement     I also wonder why so many use that route at all, beside grain guys that likley know the area and the bridge OTR truckers dont have many deliveries on that side of town (that I can think of anyway) so its not even making a long detour to go to the right way into brandon anyway     I do get that the gravel terminal road isnt the best but that is the choice if the guy doesnt want to go north out of town first     the other thing i will add is that while the bridge has been hit many times it has primarily been with vans/reefer type trailers , those types of boxes are not all that structural or heavy so they take the majority of the damage allowing the bridge to still pass the inspection, now if hit with a piece of equipment or something more solid the bridge may take a bit more of the damage     Edited by traveller, 2016-11-24 10:54:53"

You can blame TomTom! Most drivers, including those who don't know the area, are simply using a GPS and that is the shortest route into Brandon so they are often routed that way for this reason. Yes, they make "truck" ones but they are quite expensive, so most guys/gals use regular units.  
 
Majority of drivers however see the signs and lights and turn around or at least stop when they realize their forehead is about to hit the bottom of the bridge!!  
 
Edited by RustyTrebourne, 2016-11-24 12:49:49

Blame TOM TOM? Really? Is there not big signs that say closed to truck traffic? All trucks must use detour? If you cannot understand that, then you should not be a professional truck driver, sorry. Yup they make truck gps.....I bet they are much cheaper than one truck hitting a bridge. Probably could have equipped your whole fleet with just one accident like this.

Fishin Guy said "Blame TOM TOM? Really? Is there not big signs that say closed to truck traffic? All trucks must use detour? If you cannot understand that, then you should not be a professional truck driver, sorry. Yup they make truck gps.....I bet they are much cheaper than one truck hitting a bridge. Probably could have equipped your whole fleet with just one accident like this. "

Clearly you missed the sarcasm in my post bud!  
 
Also insurance covers it. Their premium will take a hit but it would actually cost a company more if one of their drivers takes out oh let''''s say a city street light!! Don''''t ask me how I know! He no longer works for me by the way!  
 
Sadly all these drivers get is a measly $200 fine for disobeying a traffic control device.  
 
Oh and by the way there is no sign that says ''closed to truck traffic'' because, well because its not. There are lots of trucks that can safely and legally drive under it without issues. And yes I am am talking about semis.  
 
Edited by RustyTrebourne, 2016-11-24 14:10:48

RustyTrebourne said "    Fishin Guy said "Blame TOM TOM? Really? Is there not big signs that say closed to truck traffic? All trucks must use detour? If you cannot understand that, then you should not be a professional truck driver, sorry. Yup they make truck gps.....I bet they are much cheaper than one truck hitting a bridge. Probably could have equipped your whole fleet with just one accident like this. " Clearly you missed the sarcasm in my post bud!     Also insurance covers it. Their premium will take a hit but it would actually cost a company more if one of their drivers takes out oh let''''s say a city street light!! Don''''t ask me how I know! He no longer works for me by the way!     Sadly all these drivers get is a measly $200 fine for disobeying a traffic control device.     Oh and by the way there is no sign that says ''closed to truck traffic'' because, well because its not. There are lots of trucks that can safely and legally drive under it without issues. And yes I am am talking about semis.     Edited by RustyTrebourne, 2016-11-24 14:10:48"

Sorry, thought it was one of those posts like blame the parents for when children act out type crap. I haven't been around that way for a while (since spring) but thought there was some traffic sign on the side of the road that said semi truck traffic detour.  
 
Jesus what are they going to need? A train crossing arm that comes down and stops traffic?

LMAO TOM TOM probably is to blame, I was OTR before gps was widely used, back when we had to use a map and not all of the low bridges were on it so yes we had to read the signs, if i came to something like this i had to figure my way out of it, which unfortunately occasionally had had to, good thing i never decided to just test my luck lol, while there are a few semis that can go under the bridge a van isnt even close :/

Juggler99 said "1. Punctuation, it helps.   2. I'm in the industry as well and every professional driver I know also shakes their head every time someone smacks that bridge.   As for your comment "everyone has a bad day"? Well a drivers bad day could have far worse consequences then some. Lack of attention as a professional driver isn't an option when pulling the amount of weight these trucks pull.   As for the alternate route, it's your choice to use it or not. Going around and driving those extra miles is also an option. It's not always convenient but you get used to that doing this.   The bridge has been there for years, it's not moving, the appropriate warning signage is there and for the most part it works. "

other guy shouldn't be driving, let alone calling themselves professionals

It's gotta be either they have no clue how high their trailer is or they can't read. Either one of these is entirely possible too.

warning signs start just past Riverheights Terrance and show the height of 3.7m. And you can turn around at Spring Park Motel just past the sign.  
 
Most commercial GPS units have no idea what your driving or it's dimensions. It's up to the driver of any vehicle to pay attention to any signs that may make the GPS route not suitable for their vehicle.

Too many of them.  
Less wordy ones and look at International signs.  
Jack the fines up to owners/owner operators and companies.  
 
Respect that fact that not all class one drivers in Canada ere trained or live in Canada. Some signs should reflect English may be language they have no strengths with. Their side kick may be someone who interprets.  
 
 
Since the driver in the end is responsible to know their load height he/she should have hell to pay. Yet their company trains them. Company or owner operator should help pay for repairs.  
 
 
Rumour has it 110 South of Brandon is slated to expand past Number ten and head west to join up with number one past Kemnay. That may take forever and a day. Even then some current trucks think 110 is out of the way and go through Brandon anyways. Unless that route get closed hitting,  
the bridge will go on forever and a day.  
 
https://youtu.be/xzkWTcDZFH0

Half the Drivers can not read English.