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There was also a dog taken from a yard, stabbed with a screwdriver, and dragged behind a vehicle until it died near Winkler.  
 
Makes you really wonder what kind of sick person can be so cruel...

Now is a good time to bring up the fact we need better animal protection laws in Canada! If this person(s) gets caught I already know I will wish this bill had already passed. If you care about animlals please follow the link to sign the epetition for bill C246 to improve our animal protection laws.  
 
https://www.change.org/p/members-of-parliament-and-the-senate-of-canada-support-bill-c-246-the-modernizing-animal-protections-act

https://ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=956750&cat_id=26  
 
This link goes back to an earlier message thread about someone skinning cats and throwing them in backyards. Could this be the same person...if so this would be a very scary idea. Moving up to larger animals and more risk with predators.  
This is so sad, how can anyone fathom doing these things?

This is disgusting. Poor animals :'(

This sounds like they are using the animal remains as sacrifice. Googled it could be some sort of Satanic or Religious sacrifice.  
 
At first I thought was maybe sociopath or Psychopath.

This reminds me of the "old days" when kids got paid cash for gopher tails. Where kids would get paid for killing these rodents, but didn't need to bring the entire carcass ...only the tail. Perhaps we're seeing the results of someone doing something similar. The second find was a group of dead coyotes, also with missing ears. What if some farmer has posted a bounty on coyotes like that for gophers. Only ears instead of tails as proof of a kill. Throw in some greed that maybe this hunter couldn't provide the numbers in coyote ears and substituted the goat and horse ears to make "the quota". Just because the RCMP found the goat and horse first doesn't mean they were killed first. The cops should be placing their focus on the livestock farmers South of Brandon. Wouldn't take long to find out if someone did put a bounty on these small predators that can be a rural nuisance with those who raise animals for a living. How much money is lost when a calf gets killed every other night? What would do to reduce the risk? I'm not defending or justifying what took place, just saying that this is the most logical reason for such killings.  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

But wouldn't the person hired to do the bounty killings know that goats and pony ears don't look like coyote ears. And why dump the bodies along the highway? Seems like someone wanted them to find them.  
Way back - like 1960's there was good money in baby fox ears too.  
 
Hopefully the RCMP can get to the bottom of this.

I don't think we can do that (putting a bounty on a coyote), based on the hunting regulations. Any trapper I know wouldn't dispose of an animal that way, and they are the ones likely to be asked to address a coyote problem around livestock. Trappers do it for the value of the fur - they certainly wouldn't leave a perfectly good coyote in the ditch - and showing the furs would be a fine way to prove that a certain number of coyotes had been caught.  
 
Thanks for throwing stones at livestock producers.  
 
Oh, and coon ears look different than coyote ears. And goat and horse ears are way different than coyote ears. No mistaking any of those for coyotes.

some are jumping to conclusions? Maybe we should wait for all the facts before getting out the torches and pitch forks? If there are hard facts that this was someone who did torture these animals like the dog at Winkler, then by all means nail them to the wall.  
 
It''s a strange assortment of animals. What IF the goat and small horse belonged to people on a small acreage. Those are common animals found on acreages. Perhaps the coyotes attacked and killed the goat and small horse. Maybe the owners caught or killed the offending coyotes. Maybe caught the raccoon too.  
 
What would someone do in the winter with these dead animals? They can''t bury them. Now it''s melting and maybe they didn''t know what to do with the bodies? Perhaps cutting off the ears is to get rid of any tags or tattoos? I don''t know why the legs of the goat would be tied or why the ears are gone from the coyotes. Maybe they thought there are tracking devices? People on ebrandon have posted previously having difficulties with exit strategies with indoor pets.  
 
Perhaps there is a plausible explanation. Let''s not jump to worst case scenario in the meantime.  
 
Edited by Mandy6, 2017-03-29 16:19:24

Sorry to tell you but as a person on a small acreage with animals such as a goat and miniature horse there are ways to dispose of an animal that does not i:nclude dumping it in a random ditch and cutting off its ears.  
 
I am wondering if anyone reported the missing animals- the horse for sure as the goat may have been thought to have disappeared due to predators.  
 
This is a terrible thing and hopefully these animals did not suffer.

I also thought that the animal mutilations were due to Satanic ritual. I'm also no expert. That was the first thing that came to mind though.

snowman5 said "This reminds me of the "old days" when kids got paid cash for gopher tails. Where kids would get paid for killing these rodents, but didn't need to bring the entire carcass ...only the tail. Perhaps we're seeing the results of someone doing something similar. The second find was a group of dead coyotes, also with missing ears. What if some farmer has posted a bounty on coyotes like that for gophers. Only ears instead of tails as proof of a kill. Throw in some greed that maybe this hunter couldn't provide the numbers in coyote ears and substituted the goat and horse ears to make "the quota". Just because the RCMP found the goat and horse first doesn't mean they were killed first. The cops should be placing their focus on the livestock farmers South of Brandon. Wouldn't take long to find out if someone did put a bounty on these small predators that can be a rural nuisance with those who raise animals for a living. How much money is lost when a calf gets killed every other night? What would do to reduce the risk? I'm not defending or justifying what took place, just saying that this is the most logical reason for such killings.     Just my opinion, I could be wrong. "

Because horse and goat ears look exactly like coyote ears?? Maybe you should get out of the city a little more, but just one man's opinion... Hahah

Refugee seekers? Really!? Not to mention "Satanic Rituals" What a great and thoughtful contribution to a very serious topic.  
 
We've all heard the common theories that animal cruelty is an indicator of a disturbed mind and often leads to more violent and heartless acts.  
Whatever greater plan or inspiration the guilty party proclaims it is often just a convenient justification in their own mind. The individual is to blame.  
 
Hopefully the RCMP gets some leads quickly and finds out what is the motivation behind the way these animals bodies were treated before something more serious happens.  
 
My hope is that someone is identified, evaluated, and removed from everyday society - likely under psychiatric care.

I do not see or could not read how signing the petition would stop those sick people on animals cruelty.  
It is all bunch of words saying nothing. Sick people or criminals do not care about rules, laws of anything. They are not going to stop then they have to be caught (what is the % of that) if they got caught and charged somehow they seem to get away from it with not much.....and on top of that there will be another law created to prevent them being charged or just get a slap on the wrist.

Where in our posts did we say this was not a serious issue?  
Good to know we finally have an expert who is not "ignorant"-only when he/she calls others that.

The ears being gone could be because as the snow melted the ears popped out of the snow and birds or what have you munched on them?

Pretty sure they wouldn't make a statement that the ears were cut off if the remains had been chewed by predators

plus zero said "I do not see or could not read how signing the petition would stop those sick people on animals cruelty.   It is all bunch of words saying nothing. Sick people or criminals do not care about rules, laws of anything. They are not going to stop then they have to be caught (what is the % of that) if they got caught and charged somehow they seem to get away from it with not much.....and on top of that there will be another law created to prevent them being charged or just get a slap on the wrist. "

Currently, unowned animals like wildlife and stray pets receive fewer protections from cruelty and killing: it is not a criminal offence to kill a stray or wild animal for no reason. It is also not a criminal offence to brutally beat an animal to death for no reason so long as the animal dies right away. Bill C-246 closes these loopholes.  
• Bill C-246 strengthens sentences for repeat animal abusers, with a mandatory lifetime ban on animal ownership for any person convicted of animal cruelty for a second time.  
 
Edited by hatsoff, 2017-03-31 07:25:16

Shooting strays should not be illegal. If people don't want strays to be killed quit dumping your unwanted pets in rural areas!!!! Do you think it is fun for people to have to try and stop starving dogs from chasing there livestock? Ever had a pack of stray dogs chase 30 horses over top of you as you are feeding them? Is the killing of these animals by brandon right? No someone has issues and needs help don't go making up laws limiting people's right to defend themselves because Joe/jane lunatic is scaring you. Just find Joe/jane lunatic and deal with them

tafeel said "Shooting strays should not be illegal. If people don't want strays to be killed quit dumping your unwanted pets in rural areas!!!! Do you think it is fun for people to have to try and stop starving dogs from chasing there livestock? Ever had a pack of stray dogs chase 30 horses over top of you as you are feeding them? Is the killing of these animals by brandon right? No someone has issues and needs help don't go making up laws limiting people's right to defend themselves because Joe/jane lunatic is scaring you. Just find Joe/jane lunatic and deal with them "

It says killing strays or wild animals for [b]no reason[/b]. If you have to kill a stray or wild animal to protect your animals or self that is different, to me that has cause. Your statement doesn't mention a scenario where a regular person trying to protect their livelihood or safety would be charged with a crime if the bill passed. I read it as, if you had to kill a pack of stray dogs because they are killing your horses, that is cause. When someone binds an animals legs then kills them and cuts off the ears that doesn't seem like someone who has cause for any reason.

hatsoff said "    tafeel said "Shooting strays should not be illegal. If people don't want strays to be killed quit dumping your unwanted pets in rural areas!!!! Do you think it is fun for people to have to try and stop starving dogs from chasing there livestock? Ever had a pack of stray dogs chase 30 horses over top of you as you are feeding them? Is the killing of these animals by brandon right? No someone has issues and needs help don't go making up laws limiting people's right to defend themselves because Joe/jane lunatic is scaring you. Just find Joe/jane lunatic and deal with them " It says killing strays or wild animals for [b]no reason[/b]. If you have to kill a stray or wild animal to protect your animals or self that is different, to me that has cause. Your statement doesn't mention a scenario where a regular person trying to protect their livelihood or safety would be charged with a crime if the bill passed. I read it as, if you had to kill a pack of stray dogs because they are killing your horses, that is cause. When someone binds an animals legs then kills them and cuts off the ears that doesn't seem like someone who has cause for any reason. "

But unless you define precisely what is "just reasons/just cause", you're on a very slippery slope. (At risk of being accused of a "slippery slope" argument...)  
 
For example, a farmer might kill a coyote, thinking he has "just cause" because it threatened his livestock, but to someone else they might think it was unjustified if the animal could be caught and relocated, such as what happens to nuisance bears sometimes.  
 
I notice the petition talks about banning selling cat and dog pelts, but someone could argue that it's an important economic activity for some people, therefore killing dogs to harvest them would fall under "just reason" and be exempt. So would trading in the pelts/fur, for that matter. It's not like trading in the parts of endangered animals like rhinos and tigers - dogs are literally a dime a dozen and could be successfully bred specifically for that purpose.  
 
I agree that this whole ears-cut-off thing seems horrendous, but what if it was for the practice for a religion? (i.e. Satanism, or perhaps some animism beliefs) You could argue that the person could be entitled to do that as long as the animal didn't suffer unnecessarily while it was alive, in the interest of freedom of expression. I don't agree with it necessarily, but it *is* a legitimate argument in this day and age.  
 
So be very careful with the application of "just cause" when we're having these types of conversations. Unless "just cause" is defined and enshrined in law, it's not as simply black-and-white as your post would have us believe.