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Turned my stomach. Some of his smug comments and defending his past stance on many issues as correct.  
Basically slaps reporters in face with "If you don't like how I do things, you can eff off". (translation). Would not a bit of humility get you more votes in future than 'mansplaining' stuff and saying "I always stood behind__________.My gov't has always been quick to resolve issues regarding ___________?"  
...Blah blah blah.  
He was confronted as to why his indigenous minister is stepping down, and he dodges questions. Listen how many times he uses the words "I" and "me". I think a few apologies can go a long way or corrections or just saying "I don't have all the answers, but I will certainly discuss with cabinet or seek a consensus" ...etc)  
 
Egad. I've been here a short time and now I see what people were saying about this kind of leadersh*t.  
 
Roussin did well with pandemic response but you can see how wanted to get outta there!  
 
Watch the last 15mins, (but warning, you may get ill)  
 
 
 
If link does not show then google ... Next phase of Manitoba’s ‘4-3-2-One Great Summer’ Reopening Path - July 14, 2021"  
 
Edited by No Comment, 2021-07-14 16:35:09

Has to go!

Many may not like Pallister for his parties policies, nor is personality, but who else will keep Manitoba from flying off the rails? Certainly not Wab Kinew or whoever is leading the Liberals. Really, who is leading the Libs? It's like a ghost leading a bunch of mutes, I can't even think of a single name. As for Wab, he's the right man for the wrong party. And because of this... I reluctantly reserve my support to really anyone, but I lean towards Brian only because there are few options.  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I have to agree with Snowman5 as Provincial politics is a no win situation right now with no clear leaders stepping up! It is a sad situation for sure.  
Right now there is not one person that I would want to stand behind and give my support to in this Province.  
Pallister is shitting the bed, Wab is only looking out for unions and the Liberals are nonexistent.  
At least Brian hasn't had his security physically manhandle a female reporter like Trudeau did just for asking what they are doing about the churches being burned!  
Federal politics is just as bad right now with so much divide! That is why Trudeau is going to call an election right away to try and take advantage of that.

No good leader to vote for. Hopefully, another party will step up and give us a choice.  
Maverick Party? PPC maybe?  
I’ll throw my support behind an unknown before I support any of the current parties.

Would rather face the unknown and give someone else (regardless of party) a chance than vote for a self entitled failure of a man who made all the wrong choices when it mattered most. I will not play a part in his dream of privatizing our resources. I hear they are looking for politicians in Florida. Time to retire Pallister!

I’m not tied to any party per say. But I will say. The devil you know is better then the devil you don’t know.  
 
To much scares me about wab. the Ndp had the province for 16 years and left pallister with this mess to clean up. I’m not a fan of some of the choices pallister makes. But i am I prepared to go through 4 more years of ndp handouts?

He came into power and inherited a fiscal mess from the previous government and has been working to curb the previous overspending. The pandemic has not been an easy time for anyone in government financially or politically, almost unprecedented. Manitoba has a reasonably high vaccine uptake which is positive. And yet our tax burden has been reduced which sure helps.  
As for vandalism and destruction of statues etc that is unacceptable and not the way to help anyone’s cause or healing. It is the premiers job to condemn such destruction although words could and should have been better chosen.  
One area the conservatives have handled poorly is the reorganization of crown lands, it has become a complicated mess and they have ruined a system that worked well for everyone and enhanced conservation of those lands.  
Having said I am not eligible to vote. We refuse to become citizens due to mistreatment by the previous NDP government.  
 
Edited by Farmergeorge, 2021-07-15 07:29:26

You have to remember a lot of what the PC government walked into was debt from 2 "State Of Emergency" floods. But one of his first decisions was to cut 1600 healthcare positions, and eliminate some ICU beds. Then he started cutting more civil service jobs and contracted a good part of that out of province (our money going elsewhere). Now government purchasing contracts are gone Canada wide (not buying from Manitoba based businesses). He refuses to sit down with any unions in regards to the fact that most of the civil service has been without a contract or wage increase for years. Instead he spends millions of tax dollars fighting them in court while him and MLA's still get large raises (10-14%). Then demands that all these civil servants work the front lines during this pandemic, including begging nurses that he put out of work to come back (but only for the pandemic). People say he is doing the best to help Manitoba, but from where I sit, He is only lining pockets of select private contractors and shopping out of province for a lot of it. Might as well be shopping on Amazon.  
His smug attitude deserves a backhand. But at least when he retires soon, he gets a full pension

I agree with his refusal to negotiate with unions. Unions hold far too much power have a propensity to call a strike whenever they feel like it, abuse employers and reduce our competitiveness. The power of the unions must be broken . When I was employed I refused to work for anyone that mandated union membership. Employer/Employee negotiation can only be successfully carried out on a one on one basis. A future without union power is a brighter future for the economy.

You do know that the NDP also sold off Crown corporations when they were in power right?  
A little thing called Land titles! All that company did was collect money from real estate sales, yet they sold it off to a company in Ontario. That is just money coming in with no extra expenditures.

anyone that has the guts to speak from the heart/head. I don't have to agree with them but I do like forthright people.  
I stand behind Pallister when he condemned the destruction of the statues at the Leg. My family are indigenous and after talking to others I can see how this act of vandalism only creates more division amongst us.  
I was looking at a card from the last election of the Conservatives promises and there were five listed and they've kept them all.  
Plus the Cons have actually given citizens money back, Autopac, school taxes. All the NDP did was raise our taxes.  
The PCs were left a huge financial mess to pick thru and I think they're doing a fair job.  
I'll never vote for Wab that's for sure.

The real hell of a mess was what was left after the Filmon Government. The NDP won several elections just by mentioning his name. For all you out there believing the "Hell of a mess" claim 5 years later don't be so gullible. There has been some damage done that again will take years to reconcile. It seems that the current government just does not want any of its workers to be happy. Why not negotiate a fair deal?? What is happening right now is just bullying. Whether it is Hydro staff, teachers, or health care, a lot of these workers have invested their lives to their work only to feel unwanted by their current employer. Obviously there is only so much money to go around but running everything into the ground doesn't help either. Mr. Pallister has clearly shown a hatred for certain groups as a whole but seems to not care in the groups are real people with real families who need his support not his condemnation.

I feel the same as Snowman. There is nobody else to vote for, so I too would stick with Pallister. I couldn’t be paid to vote for Wab, and the liberal leader is non existent. So I would still be voting for Pallister. He’s damned if he does and he’s damned if he doesn’t. I know I wouldn’t have wanted his job for the last few years.

The last time I voted PC in provincial politics was for Duff Roblin. Have never voted for PC since then. But....today....I would vote for Pallister. Why? Because I have been around long enough to recognize the folly of voting strictly on party lines. All of the mainstream parties have made major contributions for the betterment of the citizens of this province. And, of course, in the process they have alienated many people. The adage of "cutting off your nose to spite your face" could apply this situation.

Much like Snowman I will stay with with Pallister

Wab all the way.

I don’t understand how people can support this guy. He has gutted our healthcare system, has a hate for unions, wants to privatize Hydro, bypasses the PUB to raise Hydro rates during a pandemic, is narcissistic and is attempting to pass handfuls of bills without letting anyone see them first. He is akin to a dictator.

But as others have mentioned he is the best of a bad choice. I would too re-elect pallister.

What are you basing that on? Do you like having no say in how the government goes about its business? We are headed down a slippery slope with Pallister and his cronies. I hope you don’t get sick and like huge hydro bills in that case!

Kinda like how we as tax payers had a say in Bipole III and the NDP shoved that down our throats regardless of the extra costs involved!  
People can hate on Pallister all they want but don't for one second pretend that the NDP are any better. No I'm not happy with Pallister as I feel they have done a poor job through Covid, but I don't see how the NDP or Liberals would have done any better in this situation.  
Need to have a clean slate of new people coming in at the heads of these parties as none of them are trustworthy at all, including WAB (I'm only interested in Unions) Kinew.

There is no such thing as a trustworthy politician regardless of party, never was, never will be.

Bipole 3 was a disaster and Health care management was pretty top heavy too, sales tax raised WTF!!..... But there was jobs to be found and Doctors to be seen, emergency rooms open, ICU beds too and diagnostic machines were busy and not sitting idle.  
Politicians like Mr. Pallister like to kick you in the nuts and procede to tell you how good it feels. The reason people are dumping on him is because he makes it easy. Where is any of the "good" to take with the bad?? It's impossible to make everyone happy of course but find the balance. It seems very few politicians can do this no matter what party. They get in power on false pretences and procede to dictate against the wishes of the people who they are supposed to be working for. Mr. Pallister is working for himself and his ego while still telling us after 5 years of the "mess" inherited while his supporters repeat it. Do some good...create some jobs in our province not contracting things out of the province!! Quit administering low blows while saying its the other guys fault or that its for our own good and should thankful for it.

There is a huge difference between creating a private sector job and a government job!!  
Lots of governments are quick to say "hey,, we've created lots of new jobs" by they are government made jobs that are paid for by the tax payers!  
You are right though, there isn't a politician out there that can be trusted now and that is sad! Greed and personal agenda's are winning out and the tax payers are paying the price as they just don't care about us!

Same as Federal Government. No options any better.

The sheer volume of folks are still willing to support Pallister after his absolute dumpster fire of a Covid response makes me queasy. Not to mention that there are individuals in here who have the gall to say that unions are a bad idea (which is hugely laughable). If someone can name a single good thing that Pallister has done while he is in office ("doing good" and "keeping promises" are not the same thing) I will be surprised. His attempts at privatizing hydro, his aim to privatize the provincial parks, as well as his absolute joke of a Covid response has me not even entertaining the thought of even possibly voting for him ever. Time for him to go.

Reduced PST, introduced education tax credit, reforming government and services overspending, oversaw a reasonably successful covid vaccination drive and vaccination clinics, attempting to break union powers.  
I don’t know much but when I needed surgery free healthcare was available to me.  
Not a great premiership but I don’t see anyone else with any kind of achievable or workable plan that will do any better.  
It seems that some people believe that the tax payer and government purse is endless.

Sure he kept them but at what expense in the long run. He balanced the budget but made it so no one in health care could get a contract, spent more money arguing unconstitutional laws that made the tax payers pay for it sometimes twice if your part of the health care field. He told us we were essential but not enough to pay for our hard work. He wants to give away our energy to private companies so we will have to pay more and get less. Please think of that when you vote next.

Unfortunately I would argue that only two of those things are moderately good, and even then I doubt that he was the one who was responsible for the Covid vaccinations going as smoothly as they did.  
 
I'm not sure why you seem to believe that unions are bad, unless you are in a privileged enough position that you have never once needed a union's assistance. Sure, not all unions are great, but unions as a whole are responsible for fair wages, hours, and benefits for the workers under them. The only people who hate unions are those who are in positions of power over unionized workers. It's why people get fired for talking about unionizing a non-unionized job. People deserve to be paid fair wages, receive vacation time, and receive benefits, just to name a few. The only reason Brian Pallister would care to reduce union power is if it helped him line his own pockets somehow. It's sleazy.  
 
The only people I can see who would support Brian Pallister are people who are privileged enough to either not be affected by his decisions or who are of the very very very very very small amount of people who overall benefit.

You can’t see the good?  
Maybe you need to inject some positivity into your life instead of being so negative all of the time.  
I have seen the power of a national union cause a national strike ( in the UK) . Those strikes destroyed the competitiveness of an industry and forced that industry to collapse.  
Don’t try to tell me that unions are any good. They exist to fill their own inflated pockets and nothing more.  
When I was employed if I was unhappy with my current position I went out and secured a different job for myself. There was no minimum wage then. An employee got paid what they were worth and we were thankful to have work.  
 
Edited by Farmergeorge, 2021-07-16 18:46:37