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The refugees are not the terrorists.They are escaping the terrorists. It is not going to be a flood gate. CSIS will handle the background checks to ensure our countries safety.

Yes but it has been commented that ISIS is smuggling in the terrorists with the refugees. How confident are we that the government can keep that under control?

There are roughly 25 to 30 working days left this year, 25,000 people. That's roughly 1000 background checks a day.  
 
There are no insurances. We can only hope that they enjoy their new life in Canada, and hopefully pick up our appreciation for the Canadian lifestyle.d

jay8484 said "Yes but it has been commented that ISIS is smuggling in the terrorists with the refugees. How confident are we that the government can keep that under control? "

I fully understand that there are more legitimate refugees than terrorists in the millions of people that have already fled the region.  
 
However, there is widespread proof of what you are saying - it has been reported by many agencies that there have been hundreds of terrorist linked people found with fake passports in these waves of people.  
 
Now is not the time to bend rules and lighten security checks just to stick to a campaign promise of "25,000" in such a short period of time. Now is the time to be even more diligent with checks.  
 
I also do not believe for a second that many of these millions of "refugees" are actually refugees. I have read too many stories now from around the world that makes it sound like these are people looking for economic change rather than truly running from terror. These waves of people sound more like planned over running of countries rather than running in fear. Countries are being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers and it makes these people look more like locusts than scared people.  
 
I heard the tail end of a story yesterday on CNN where they said something like 4 million refugees have left the Syrian region in the last two years. I would like to know how many terrorists are actually there that 4 million people would rather run away than stand up for their homeland. That is a pretty large number.  
 
Something seems very off - it is very hard to know who to believe here. It may be a case of access to too much information, but not enough at the same time.  
 

Reality is that there may be just as many, or more, terrorists already living in Canada as would be among the 25,000 refugees.  
 
ISIS is gaining supporters in Canada already and trying to recruit students at many of our universities. It wouldn't surprise me if there were terrorists hidden within the group of refugees but they are no more dangerous than the terrorists already living in Canada. I just pray they are discovered before something terrible occurs.  
 
I think the worry of letting terrorists into Canada is warranted but it is also out of our hands. We can only trust that our immigration officers are diligent in their research and security measures are in place and followed through on.  
 
Canada admits, on average, 250,000 immigrants into Canada every year. That's 20,833 per month which would effectively double the admissions for the last month of the year if 25,000 new refugees were admitted at once. When you double anybody's workload in any profession and expect the same deadlines, quality of work will suffer. Let's hope that the government increases the immigration workforce to cover the extra paperwork.  
 
At the end of the day all I really know is that I need to trust people who know their job much better than I do. And I need to trust an immigration system that has been quite successful for as long as I can recall. Canada hasn't had many terrorist attacks on our soil that come to mind.

If terrorists want into a country, they are going to get in anyway. Look at 9-11 World Trade Center Attack (no, it wasn't the U.S. attacking themselves but that is another topic).  
 
I am sure hundreds of thousands of refugees over the years are glad countries did not close their borders to them in the name of "national safety".  
 
I wonder how many people in WWII did not want refugees fleeing from the Nazi advance to enter their country because there "might be Nazis among them"...  
 
How many boat people were communist fanatics? Did they terrorize Canada?  
 
Oh wait, sorry, ISIS attacked Paris so logically that means Canada and your house are next... :/  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-11-14 11:25:49

Fact of the matter is reality is reality. It is already proven and documented that individuals with connections to ISIS and other extremist groups are making their way into countires amongst the refugees.........including one of the Paris attackers.  
 
People need to stop being so black and white. No this does not mean all refugees are terrorists.......but you also cannot ignore the problem. Saying there are already terrorists here or that they will get in if they want to doesn't negate that either. It's reality and should be addressed.  
 
As for the refugees that are legitimate and need help, it doesn't mean we can't or shouldnt. But let's face reality and extend this ridiculous end of the year deadline that was promised to make people feel all warm and fuzzy. Let's do the proper checks and work to protect our country and our citizens. Will we guaranteed get them all? Nope, never can. That's the nature of how they cowardly operate without facing anyone. It still doesn't negate the need to do due diligence to do what we can while helping out. Time for people to apply so,e common sense. Tired of the black and white.

Cee Jay 55 said "If terrorists want into a country, they are going to get in anyway. Look at 9-11 World Trade Center Attack (no, it wasn't the U.S. attacking themselves but that is another topic).     I am sure hundreds of thousands of refugees over the years are glad countries did not close their borders to them in the name of "national safety".     I wonder how many people in WWII did not want refugees fleeing from the Nazi advance to enter their country because there "might be Nazis among them"...     How many boat people were communist fanatics? Did they terrorize Canada?     Oh wait, sorry, ISIS attacked Paris so logically that means Canada and your house are next... :/     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-11-14 11:25:49"

Doesn't mean we are "next".........but when it is clearly already documented that extremists are using the refugees to gain access to countries..........clear common sense would say let's slow this down and take a closer look.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/facts2014/permanent/01.asp  
 
Is all I am going to reply with. Figure it out.

I have, sadly you haven't. Yes there are many, fantastic, great, welcome, it's what Canada is about.  
 
None of those however were hastily moved in on a timeline far too short to provide proper security procedures all the while ignoring the fact that it is KNOWN that extremists are using the exact group to infiltrate MORE ( not the first but more ) individuals into countries around the world.  
 
Slow it down and do it properly. Just gonna leave that there and let you figure it out.....tho doubt you will. Have a nice day

Do we "save" 25,000 refugees at the risk of a bomber being hidden amongst them who may kill thousands of Canadians?  
 
What value do we put on human life? Is a refugee's comfort more important than a Canadian life? These are the moralities being considered and the answer is far from easy.  
 
 
 

jay8484 said "Yes but it has been commented that ISIS is smuggling in the terrorists with the refugees. How confident are we that the government can keep that under control? "

This is my concern also.  
 
My confidence in our government is minimal at best. Rushing through the process to aid refugees may very well be putting our own country and it's citizens at risk.  
 
I hate for this to be a "hindsight is 20/20" operation.

Last post on this: I am saying don't over-react one way or the other.  
 
25,000 is not out of line with our history of allowing refugees/immigrants in. I am sure extra precautions will be taken but far too many people are freaking out thinking a good portion of the 25,000 will turn out to be terrorists....  
 
25,000 is roughly 1/10 of our "normal" yearly immigrant intake - I am sure the system can handle 25,000 over a few months.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-11-14 12:03:41

If we save even one innocent child among those 25,000 it would be worth it. That's what Canada used to be all about.

If they want to come to Canada, they're gonna come. They might already be here. They might be our own citizens.  
 
Let's remember the refugees are fleeing these terrorists, this is a humanitarian crisis. Let's help.

Do you honestly think they will all be allowed to enter in one day? One week? One month? A few months? 25,000 may seem like a huge number but annually about 260,000 people immigrate here. They don't have to "rush" them through.  
 
Do you honestly think the immigrant security is unaware of the threat?  
 
ISIS has already stated that they have terrorists already in place in various countries - do you think homeland security does not know this as well? Or who some of them are??  
 
Give our security SOME credit.

Cee Jay 55 said "Do you honestly think they will all be allowed to enter in one day? One week? One month? A few months? 25,000 may seem like a huge number but annually about 260,000 people immigrate here. They don't have to "rush" them through.     Do you honestly think the immigrant security is unaware of the threat?     ISIS has already stated that they have terrorists already in place in various countries - do you think homeland security does not know this as well? Or who some of them are??     Give our security SOME credit. "

its 25,000 by the end of this year, and no I do not believe that our security checks will ar can be adequate in that time frame, Junior is pandering to his base only

mackenzie5 said "    Cee Jay 55 said "Do you honestly think they will all be allowed to enter in one day? One week? One month? A few months? 25,000 may seem like a huge number but annually about 260,000 people immigrate here. They don't have to "rush" them through.     Do you honestly think the immigrant security is unaware of the threat?     ISIS has already stated that they have terrorists already in place in various countries - do you think homeland security does not know this as well? Or who some of them are??     Give our security SOME credit. " its 25,000 by the end of this year, and no I do not believe that our security checks will ar can be adequate in that time frame, Junior is pandering to his base only "

In a normal 3 month span Canada lets in 65,000 immigrants ... and did so through the Harper era. Who was Harper pandering to????  
 
How many of those immigrants were terrorists???  
 
 
 
 
Sheesh.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-11-14 12:40:42

mackenzie5 said "    Cee Jay 55 said "Do you honestly think they will all be allowed to enter in one day? One week? One month? A few months? 25,000 may seem like a huge number but annually about 260,000 people immigrate here. They don't have to "rush" them through.     Do you honestly think the immigrant security is unaware of the threat?     ISIS has already stated that they have terrorists already in place in various countries - do you think homeland security does not know this as well? Or who some of them are??     Give our security SOME credit. " its 25,000 by the end of this year, and no I do not believe that our security checks will ar can be adequate in that time frame, Junior is pandering to his base only "

Double post???  
 
Delete please.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-11-14 12:38:32

To the person who said if we save one innocent child its all worth it...  
 
Is it all worth it if every member of your entire family dies by suicide bomber?  
 
Yes, find out who the true helpless victims are and help them, but take the time to screen in order to protect thousands of innocent Canadian children & their families here too.  
 
Could they not be brought somewhere stable temporarily while screening? Must they be settled across the country automatically? Why the rush once they are out of danger?  
 
Anyway, anyone who claims its a simple answer to this problem shows they have a simple understanding of a complex issue.

Btw how does Immigration Canada do background checks in Syria? Just call up on the phone & reach all the other fleeing people in their neighborhood? See, it makes no sense as an argument.

Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-corey/paris-attack_b_8562448.html  
 
While this is American, I believe it also relates to Canada.

they live among us. Anyone with evil intent in their heart to carry out a deadly deed.  
 
The term TERRORIST is politically incorrect. It should be downplayed, and a new term coined..."COWARDist"

Indiscriminately scoop up 25,000 syrians, bypassing the normal procedures and scrutiny of the immigration process and drop them off in Canada.  
 
..Solid plan, what could go wrong?

Now some of you are just making up stuff, lol.

"There might be too many people for Brandon to sustain once the refugees get here, so they'll ask current residents to move out!"  
 
... Are you kidding me? Look, I just started a fear-inducing rumour with no proof to back it up! Don't start saying things and passing them off as facts unless you can show us that you have some proof.

This terrorist act changes a lot of things for all of us. Expect more security measures at all major events, airports, etc. Radical Idlamists have embraced and are taking advantage of the West's kindness and generocity. Our security checks can be all that and a bag of chips ( Cee Jay 55), but the fact of the matter is that France is more than likely a mirror to our and all Western democracies future. You think France's security are dumb and incompetent? Isis is getting stronger with more Muslims being converted to radicals all over, including Canada. Please take off your rose coloured glasses and realize what is happening. One group of people (and they happen to be from one faith) is particularly creating havoc and pain around the world. There will be backlash against mosques and muslims inFrance. It's going to get ugly and it will spill over to all democracies eventually. As for our 25,000 refugees. I do hope that the government looks at fillingthat quota with single women, children, elderly and orphans. All all bodied men would be expected to go back and fight the fight as byaccepting all men as refugees, we the West are paving an easier road for ISIS to grow stronger aswel asletting in potential terrorists into our country. I do feel sorry for allyhe good Muslims inour community as somehow this reflects very bad onthe faith that they proclaim as a faithof "peace". I also wish that the Muslim communities in the Western world would stand up and pubicly denounce these acts of terror as remaining silent only fuels doubts about their true allegiance

As I understand it, the refugees that will come to Canada are ones that are in the camps in Lebanon, not the migrant people wandering around Europe looking for he best place to end up. These people have been in these camps for some time and given the conditions not the first choice ISIS terrorists. That is not to say there won't be some risk. Nothing will come without some risk. There was supposed to be risk with the boat people, I am sure but we must have killed that with kindness as I don't believe I have ever heard of any terrorists acts.

Open your eyes people. Most people seem to have not noticed that the majority of the 'refugees' are men in their 20s and 30s. Except when the media wants to tug on the heartstrings of the public. Then they will find some women and children to show you. I'm not saying that Canada should not let genuine refugees in, but that they should be paying attention to the demographics of who they are letting in and sure as heck should not be letting anyone in without detailed background checks. There is a world of difference between a genuine refugee and an economic migrant.