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Just curious to see what Brandon residences think of this outcome. I strongly disagree with the outcome.  
 
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/04/omar-khadr-former-gitmo-prisoner-who-killed-us-soldier-to-get-from-canadian-govt.html

Thanks to the Liberal and their friends, they gave a pile of money to a terrorist who shot an American. I post this without any 'snowflake' apology.

Why is Canada giving him 10 mil if he shot a guy from the states?

And rediculous.......

He was just a child soldier following orders under a brutal religious based military regime that the United States declared war on. Truth be told, it was one soldier killing another (by using a grenade). And when the Americans soldiers returned fire, shot him, then realized he was only a kid, saved his life... only to put him through hell at Guantanamo until 2010. Eight million sounds like a lot, but he spent half his life (caught at 15, now at 30) in custody for doing what a soldier was supposed to do... to fight against the invading enemy forces. It's not like he won the lottery with this payment, I kinda believe he's became a bigger victim then the soldier he killed. Personally, I never thought of him as a criminal. Just another captured brainwashed soldier fighting in a dumb war. So how could the Americans make him confess to murder? ...It was a war! That's the part I could never understand. Now the US soldiers family has filed legal suit (and won) against him for wrongful death. Really? How is this even possible during a battle in a declaration of war? The whole thing is a twisted mess right from the beginning. And none of this wouldn't even come to light if Omar hadn't survived, been sent to Guantanamo, tortured to confess, been under aged, withheld a lawyer for most part, had been a real threat to western society or had Canadian citizenship. ...But he did and does... And so, that's on us now. This whole process sucks. No one really came out ahead. Even with the money, Omar is a damaged man from what all happened to him, he'll never enjoy it like how we would. ...So why be angry at him? I still think it all falls onto the Americans for screwing things up. We just got stuck with the bill.  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong

A person would have to look up, but is it not written somewhere that medical personnel are not to be targeted? I could be wrong in that thought.  
 
Second, what in the literal **** did I just read? A soldier kills someone, is spared and tossed in jail....and he somehow thinks he should get compensated?? What??? Does this mean that everyone who murders someone can sue and get millions in compensation, cause that sounds like a juicy deal. All a person has to do is spend 25 years in the sin bin and your out a millionaire. (Obviously I would never recommend doing this).  
 
What the hell is wrong with society? Is this what we've come to?

why should taxpayers foot the bill? I guess Omar and his family don't have to worry now!  
Just another reason I won't be voting Liberal again!

It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.  
 
SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24

If it's between one of the many country's the states is in a perpetual state of war with and the United States. Then how did we get dragged into it for a 10 million dollar bill?

From the Supreme Court: Canadian officials in Khadr’s Guantanamo interrogations “offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects.” Trudeau didn't just give the money away, it was settled in the courts. Frustrating and shameful when people spew hate when they don't even know the facts!

I recommend reading the articles about it on ctv. I read two of them from there and now understand way better what has happened. Omar is a Canadian citizen he was born in Canada. The way I understand it is he is basically getting the money due to the fact that the Canada government ignored his right as a canadian and refused to even try to help him even tho there was little to no evidence that he was the one who through the grenade that killed the soldier. He was then denied a lawyer and torchured at the age of 15 till he was finally released back to Canada and put in a max security facility here and again denied his rights. I understand why he did the law suit because there was very little proof that he threw the grenade. I don't agree that he should receive that much money but I understand more by reading more articles. Also this has nothing to do with Trudeau as it was Steven harpers government that refused to even see if he should even be helped

Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24"

the federal government that doles out the cash right?  
 
Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people.

quit paying federal income tax until those idiots in Ottawa get their s**t together . unreal

Canadian Taxpayers Federation has a petition calling for the federal government to retract their offer of $10 million. Please check it out & sign, if you agree, here: https://www.taxpayer.com/resource-centre/petitions/petition?tpContentId=162

Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24" the federal government that doles out the cash right?     Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people. "

You're just being ridiculous. Straw man argument, at best.

Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24" the federal government that doles out the cash right?     Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people. " You're just being ridiculous. Straw man argument, at best. "

how am I being ridiculous?  
 
Where was the compensation for the family of that Somali teen our soldiers beat and tortured to death? He lost his life and our government didn't give a sh&t?

Just to correct some of you... He didn't shoot the American medic, he threw a grenade at the medic... He also helped build bombs and such...  
 
I agree 1000% that this is complete and udder B.S... All this does is send that message that you will be compensated for terrorist acts.

We just get finished celebrating Canada's 150th birthday and enjoying the long weekend to wake up to this (I can't even think of a word for it) on Tuesday morning.  
 
So, that's how it works! Instead of going to post secondary school and learning a trade or profession to better yourself or even just buying lottery tickets every week, all you have to do is become an islamic terrorist and go overseas to fight against our troops, have your way with any girls or women that your band of terrorists capture, behead a few civilians, then kill a member of one of Canada's allies military. You will then be sent to a prison run by our ally, where you will be held in high regard by the other terrorists for killing an American and you will be given all of the rights that none of your victims had. Then after you've done your two years, you can come back to Canada where you will have all of the protections of the Canadian constitution that you hate so much, not to mention the benefits of all of our social programs. Then to top it all off, the pathetic joke of a government will give you $10.5 million dollars of Canadian taxpayer's money.  
 
...And just think of all of the money I've wasted on lottery tickets over the years!  
 
By the time it's all over I wouldn't be surprised if Trudeau gives him the Order of Canada.

Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24" the federal government that doles out the cash right?     Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people. " You're just being ridiculous. Straw man argument, at best. " how am I being ridiculous?     Where was the compensation for the family of that Somali teen our soldiers beat and tortured to death? He lost his life and our government didn't give a sh&t? "

I was trying to state that it was NOT Trudeau that awarded the money, it was NOT the Liberal Government that awarded it either. It was the judicial system and it would have been awarded regardless of which government or PM was in power.  
 
Yes, the government has to pay it and yes, it is far too much but that does NOT mean Trudeau or his government awarded it.  
 
You must have not done well in reading comprehension in school.

Triplethreat said "We just get finished celebrating Canada's 150th birthday and enjoying the long weekend to wake up to this (I can't even think of a word for it) on Tuesday morning.     So, that's how it works! Instead of going to post secondary school and learning a trade or profession to better yourself or even just buying lottery tickets every week, all you have to do is become an islamic terrorist and go overseas to fight against our troops, have your way with any girls or women that your band of terrorists capture, behead a few civilians, then kill a member of one of Canada's allies military. You will then be sent to a prison run by our ally, where you will be held in high regard by the other terrorists for killing an American and you will be given all of the rights that none of your victims had. Then after you've done your two years, you can come back to Canada where you will have all of the protections of the Canadian constitution that you hate so much, not to mention the benefits of all of our social programs. Then to top it all off, the pathetic joke of a government will give you $10.5 million dollars of Canadian taxpayer's money.     ...And just think of all of the money I've wasted on lottery tickets over the years!     By the time it's all over I wouldn't be surprised if Trudeau gives him the Order of Canada. "

Good post. Pretty much paints the picture of what happened. Don''t know if Trudy will give Kadr the "Order of Canada", but chances are that Elizabeth May would be quick to give it to him if she were PM as some of her past statements would indicate that she holds Kadr in very high regards, probably higher than the men and women in uniform that fight for the rights and freedoms that her, Kadr and we all enjoy for granted in Canada. Kadr should be in jail and his mother deported back to her country of origin as some of the articles that I''ve read in the past woukd indicate that she is radicalized and supports terror against our western lifestyle.  
https://www.google.ca/amp/nationalpost.com/news/politics/omar-khadr-youve-got-more-class-than-the-whole-f-cabinet-green-leader-regrets-f-bomb/wcm/1945c10b-02c8-4d88-b3ae-8284a874efea/amp  
 
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/04/the-khadrs-canadas-first-family-of-terrorism  
 
Edited by 70`s guy, 2017-07-05 05:27:10

Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24" the federal government that doles out the cash right?     Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people. " You're just being ridiculous. Straw man argument, at best. " how am I being ridiculous?     Where was the compensation for the family of that Somali teen our soldiers beat and tortured to death? He lost his life and our government didn't give a sh&t? " I was trying to state that it was NOT Trudeau that awarded the money, it was NOT the Liberal Government that awarded it either. It was the judicial system and it would have been awarded regardless of which government or PM was in power.     Yes, the government has to pay it and yes, it is far too much but that does NOT mean Trudeau or his government awarded it.     You must have not done well in reading comprehension in school. "

to Trudeau and his Liberal government to fight this obscene payment to a terrorist then! They have the power to oppose.  
Guess this means you are a die hard Liberal?  
 
The court awarded compensation to the 60's scoop and the gov't is fighting that so why not this BS?

70`s guy said "    Triplethreat said "We just get finished celebrating Canada's 150th birthday and enjoying the long weekend to wake up to this (I can't even think of a word for it) on Tuesday morning.     So, that's how it works! Instead of going to post secondary school and learning a trade or profession to better yourself or even just buying lottery tickets every week, all you have to do is become an islamic terrorist and go overseas to fight against our troops, have your way with any girls or women that your band of terrorists capture, behead a few civilians, then kill a member of one of Canada's allies military. You will then be sent to a prison run by our ally, where you will be held in high regard by the other terrorists for killing an American and you will be given all of the rights that none of your victims had. Then after you've done your two years, you can come back to Canada where you will have all of the protections of the Canadian constitution that you hate so much, not to mention the benefits of all of our social programs. Then to top it all off, the pathetic joke of a government will give you $10.5 million dollars of Canadian taxpayer's money.     ...And just think of all of the money I've wasted on lottery tickets over the years!     By the time it's all over I wouldn't be surprised if Trudeau gives him the Order of Canada. " Good post. Pretty much paints the picture of what happened. Don''t know if Trudy will give Kadr the "Order of Canada", but chances are that Elizabeth May would be quick to give it to him if she were PM as some of her past statements would indicate that she holds Kadr in very high regards, probably higher than the men and women in uniform that fight for the rights and freedoms that her, Kadr and we all enjoy for granted in Canada. Kadr should be in jail and his mother deported back to her country of origin as some of the articles that I''ve read in the past woukd indicate that she is radicalized and supports terror against our western lifestyle.   https://www.google.ca/amp/nationalpost.com/news/politics/omar-khadr-youve-got-more-class-than-the-whole-f-cabinet-green-leader-regrets-f-bomb/wcm/1945c10b-02c8-4d88-b3ae-8284a874efea/amp     http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/04/the-khadrs-canadas-first-family-of-terrorism     Edited by 70`s guy, 2017-07-05 05:27:10"

I did take a few liberties, but I did that because I wanted to make sure that I got my point across.

Ha, the people who are even remotely trying to defend this guy, thanks for showing your support for terrorists.

There was a time when Khadr would have been tried, found guilty of treason and sentenced accordingly. There was a time when 99% of Canadians would have wholeheartedly supported a conviction for treason in his case, after all, he did join the enemy and fight against Canada and her allies during a war, but after decades of liberalism we find ourselves in the sad state that we are in today. We now live in a time where government is sympathetic to him and his fellow travelers, so it doesn't surprise me at all when a Liberal, Green or NDP politician would side with him and his lot against the people of Canada. We are used to seeing the courts hand out lenient "slap on the wrist" sentences to some of the worst offenders and now not just to criminals, but to terrorists too. As for the media, I would take anything that comes from the Toronto based mainstream media with a grain of salt. Again and again, the media has made it very clear where their sympathies lie. Now, thanks to Trudeau and his Libs, we are faced with the real possibility of M-103 becoming a bill and being passed into law by his majority government. Canadians only have a short time left to wake up.  
 
Edited by Triplethreat, 2017-07-05 10:41:52

-How much knowledge did you have when you were 15 of global affairs and the true meaning of war? How independent were you from your family at 15? -How much torture does one need to experience for 15 years to qualify for cash? How would you like your government to abandon your rights as a Canadian citizen and leave to to the devices of another country, at 15 yrs old? I want my government to honour my rights as a Canadian citizen, and that settlement as through the courts is a reminder to the government the cost of purposely abandoning its citizens.

Canada violated his rights as a Canadian citizen, he sued the government and won just like is supposed to happen, if any of you get your rights violated, this went to court, a Canadian judge found Canada in the wrong, has nothing to do with politics, Justin didn't do this even if with all your heart you want to blame him, sorry to disappoint you buts its a simple Canada broke the law now they are being punished.

Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24" the federal government that doles out the cash right?     Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people. " You're just being ridiculous. Straw man argument, at best. " how am I being ridiculous?     Where was the compensation for the family of that Somali teen our soldiers beat and tortured to death? He lost his life and our government didn't give a sh&t? " I was trying to state that it was NOT Trudeau that awarded the money, it was NOT the Liberal Government that awarded it either. It was the judicial system and it would have been awarded regardless of which government or PM was in power.     Yes, the government has to pay it and yes, it is far too much but that does NOT mean Trudeau or his government awarded it.     You must have not done well in reading comprehension in school. " to Trudeau and his Liberal government to fight this obscene payment to a terrorist then! They have the power to oppose.   Guess this means you are a die hard Liberal?     The court awarded compensation to the 60's scoop and the gov't is fighting that so why not this BS? "

You say that like it's a bad thing. I used to support the conservatives and I am embarrassed to admit that now but I am hardly a "die-hard Liberal" , lmao. I was simply stating facts which you seem unfamiliar with.  
 
PS the fight over the "Scoop" payout started with Harper's government. I would suggest you get your facts straight if you want to pluck straw man arguments.  
 
https://www.google.ca/search?q=federal+government+fights+%22scoop%22+payout&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24" the federal government that doles out the cash right?     Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people. " You're just being ridiculous. Straw man argument, at best. " how am I being ridiculous?     Where was the compensation for the family of that Somali teen our soldiers beat and tortured to death? He lost his life and our government didn't give a sh&t? " I was trying to state that it was NOT Trudeau that awarded the money, it was NOT the Liberal Government that awarded it either. It was the judicial system and it would have been awarded regardless of which government or PM was in power.     Yes, the government has to pay it and yes, it is far too much but that does NOT mean Trudeau or his government awarded it.     You must have not done well in reading comprehension in school. " to Trudeau and his Liberal government to fight this obscene payment to a terrorist then! They have the power to oppose.   Guess this means you are a die hard Liberal?     The court awarded compensation to the 60's scoop and the gov't is fighting that so why not this BS? " You say that like it's a bad thing. I used to support the conservatives and I am embarrassed to admit that now but I am hardly a "die-hard Liberal" , lmao. I was simply stating facts which you seem unfamiliar with.     PS the fight over the "Scoop" payout started with Harper's government. I would suggest you get your facts straight if you want to pluck straw man arguments.     https://www.google.ca/search?q=federal+government+fights+%22scoop%22+payout&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari "

I know when the fight started for the scoop.  
 
Despite Trudeau talking reconciliation his government is trying to stop the payments for these people.  
 
A Canadian soldier wounded might get a whopping payment of 360 thousand. A soldier who puts his life on the line for US! What if the soldier is in his 20s? How long would that amount last?  
 
You get off on calling people dumb?

Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Cee Jay 55 said "It was the court that awarded the money, not the government. If Harper was still in power it would have been the same decision but obviously some will still think the PM had something to do with it.     SMH at some of the narrow mindedness on here.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2017-07-04 18:25:24" the federal government that doles out the cash right?     Or maybe they should fight the decision? After all the feds are still fighting the decision to pay the 'Sixties Scoop' people. " You're just being ridiculous. Straw man argument, at best. " how am I being ridiculous?     Where was the compensation for the family of that Somali teen our soldiers beat and tortured to death? He lost his life and our government didn't give a sh&t? " I was trying to state that it was NOT Trudeau that awarded the money, it was NOT the Liberal Government that awarded it either. It was the judicial system and it would have been awarded regardless of which government or PM was in power.     Yes, the government has to pay it and yes, it is far too much but that does NOT mean Trudeau or his government awarded it.     You must have not done well in reading comprehension in school. " to Trudeau and his Liberal government to fight this obscene payment to a terrorist then! They have the power to oppose.   Guess this means you are a die hard Liberal?     The court awarded compensation to the 60's scoop and the gov't is fighting that so why not this BS? " You say that like it's a bad thing. I used to support the conservatives and I am embarrassed to admit that now but I am hardly a "die-hard Liberal" , lmao. I was simply stating facts which you seem unfamiliar with.     PS the fight over the "Scoop" payout started with Harper's government. I would suggest you get your facts straight if you want to pluck straw man arguments.     https://www.google.ca/search?q=federal+government+fights+%22scoop%22+payout&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari " I know when the fight started for the scoop.     Despite Trudeau talking reconciliation his government is trying to stop the payments for these people.     A Canadian soldier wounded might get a whopping payment of 360 thousand. A soldier who puts his life on the line for US! What if the soldier is in his 20s? How long would that amount last?     You get off on calling people dumb? "

I never called you dumb, I simply questioned your reading comprehension as you have not been able to understand what I said and have inferred several things from my statements that either aren't true or misguided  
 
Thanks for the effort though.

Triplethreat said "We just get finished celebrating Canada's 150th birthday and enjoying the long weekend to wake up to this (I can't even think of a word for it) on Tuesday morning.     So, that's how it works! Instead of going to post secondary school and learning a trade or profession to better yourself or even just buying lottery tickets every week, all you have to do is become an islamic terrorist and go overseas to fight against our troops, have your way with any girls or women that your band of terrorists capture, behead a few civilians, then kill a member of one of Canada's allies military. You will then be sent to a prison run by our ally, where you will be held in high regard by the other terrorists for killing an American and you will be given all of the rights that none of your victims had. Then after you've done your two years, you can come back to Canada where you will have all of the protections of the Canadian constitution that you hate so much, not to mention the benefits of all of our social programs. Then to top it all off, the pathetic joke of a government will give you $10.5 million dollars of Canadian taxpayer's money.     ...And just think of all of the money I've wasted on lottery tickets over the years!     By the time it's all over I wouldn't be surprised if Trudeau gives him the Order of Canada. "

Triplethreat ? I think you should put your plan into action.  
 
Omar was a 15 year old under the thumb of his father, a relentless and brutal tyrant. From the day he was born he was taught to obey his father without question. Who among us was so worldly and aware at 15 that we could have resisited ?  
 
Yes, I believe he did throw the grenade. Yes, it was wrong.  
 
For his crime he was mortally wounded and imprisoned for 15 years. He was probably tortured. The Canadian government abandoned him and denied him his rights and is therefore complicit in his maltreatment.  
 
If he had not been radicalized, as a child, by his father, and had not thrown the grenade, how would we feel about the situation ? Was he really operating of his own free will ?  
 
Would any of us happily accept what he has been through and being abandoned by our government ?  
 
If that had happened to you, would you be inclined to seek compensation ?  
 
Edited by standard standard h8r, 2017-07-05 15:47:40