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I mean... It probably was to them...

How long should we shut our economy down. You saw a family of 6 yet you are out shopping too. It can be transmitted by anyone. We are always going to have cases here and there. This isn't going away. Does one really believe that the keypads, machines, carts, etc. are all perfectly sterile to touch? So what if someone wears a mask. They get in their car and take it off. Probably didn't sanitize on way out. At some point we have to function. We have been on slow release for over 4 months now. The Canadian government has spent a ton of money giving it to people to stay home, our government credit rating has dropped. People bitch that our government isn't doing enough yet we cannot afford to pay people to sit at home for a year or so for this to pass by. The thing with this is fear has been instilled into our way of thinking. Basically if you catch it you will be stuck in some hospital with tubes sticking out of you. It ranges from sniffles to hospital beds and everything between. What do people expect? Sit at home until Canada has zero cases? I also say this being a high risk. If it is my time so be it.

Nuff’ said.....

like dying just yet. And I am high risk also. If you don't feel like protecting yourself, then do it for a total stranger you may come in contact with. You can be careless if it only impacted you. Then I would not care one way or another. But this thing is not predictable, as you mentioned. it can be spread by asymptomatic individuals. You can unknowingly give it to someone else and they may have a worse outcome than you. People are forgetting the social responsibility when they make the "just live with it" statement.

In the beginning we were asked that one person per household to go in stores. How do we know that this is a larger group but from multiple households?

The alternate to this is that they could be shopping for multiple households. My parents would often shop together, but they were shopping for 3 households at once (theirs, my grandmother and my brother's family).  
 
Also, there's been a time fairly recently when we had to bring all our kids to the store with us because we needed to buy something we both needed to be there for. We don't routinely take them (my kids haven't otherwise seen the inside of a store since March), but you really don't know the circumstances of why all those kids are there.

Keep in mind alot of people have been out of work, kids aren't in school, some don't have family to watch the kids, daycare is extremely expensive, cost of 6 N95 mask's is expensive, and this list goes on. there are so many variables, yes there is shop online and pickup and many other options. Nobody knows whats going on in a strangers life. Yeah there are just plan idiots out there but don't forget life is tough for a lot of people and easy decisions aren't easy to all.

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Edited by Lala_D, 2020-07-27 17:36:59

You can’t play games with public health during a pandemic in that way, it’s too dangerous. The reality is that the economy will be on hold for as long as it takes, government payments will stop and we are all going to have to struggle until this virus is under control for the greater good of everyone’s health. This could well take several more months if not years. We may as well accept the challenge ahead of us and accept our responsibilities to each other.

Masks don't prevent others from getting it masks help to prevent people from spreading it...We all need to be considerate of others

but there were children in the group that were old enough to watch the younger ones

Just don't speak moistly to anyone and you'll be fine. If you're vulnerable, ask for help from someone who cares for you, and protect yourself.

yes I was out shopping & I wore a mask to prevent from spreading to anyone if in fact I had covid....masks don't prevent you from getting it but prevent from spreading it...I never stated that we should shut the economy down..I just think if we want to get the economy back up & running we should all do our part in trying everything possible to not spread this anymore than it has already spread...take a deep breath & carry on

The problem with easing restrictions is that rational behavior is defined differently by everyone. I, for one, would be happy if we never saw groups of people with multiple caregivers and multiple little ones again. I much prefer being in a store when people are mission oriented and not having a good old social time. That is just my preference.

I don’t go shopping anymore. I mainly shop online. I don’t want anyone writing about me on EBrandon. They would describe me, I would know it was me.

Oh don't worry. I still follow the arrows on the isles, even though about 50% of the people I run into don't. I still wash or sanitize my hands when going into the businesses, I still follow the cattle shoots at places like Canadian Tire to pay. Everywhere I see online is the same story.....too early, too early, too early. What difference does it make seeing a family of 6 at Walmart vs a family of 6 at Minnedosa beach using the change rooms and enjoying the beach? We spew that we should only have one family member out at any given time as we all need to do our part. Yet in my back yard the community park is overflowing with area children. Spray Parks have kids running around. Beaches are busy. Public washrooms at these recreation area are busy. Do we honestly think that these area along with the carts we push and keypads we press are actually fully sanitized and germ free? TigerBarb I don't want to die as you said, but I cannot live a life of fear either. I cannot pretend that by following the grocery isle arrows I should feel like I have just helped save the world by doing my part.

More questions than answers when it comes to COVID. The whole idea for the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or so we were told. It seems though that that has become waiting until there are no more cases or until there is an effective vaccine. COVID is a virus, HIV is a virus. We still don't have a vaccine for HIV and that virus has been around for 40 years. So, are we going to be doing the social distancing, masks and lock downs for 40 years, if we don't get a vaccine against COVID?  
 
Yeah, I don't like to see the social gatherings in the supermarket isles, even in normal times. You would think that with the virus...oh, never mind! LOL

your stance on this as I believe everyone has a right to their opinion, I think I'll be okay relaxing my safety protocols and social distancing efforts when qualified individuals give the go ahead thanks.  
 
You do realize that the government is spending a tonne of money to avoid an even bigger cost if we were to become akin to the U.S. or Iran, China, India, the U.K., etc.  
You do also realize that many countries have had their credit rating dropped. It is unavoidable and something the government knew would happen when they introduced the CERB. Yet they did it anyway because the cost outweighs the risk.

There is just so much wrong with this attitude toward large families that has been around for a very long time, but has gained much more traction since Covid broke. My post got long as I have much to say on this subject and the hate spewed forth has no place in our society, no matter what.  
 
First of all, nobody talks about the percentage of cases in Canada. There is less than 1% of our whole population that has known to have had it. Remember as well that our nation's population is roughly the same as California's.  
 
Most people don't get very sick from this virus. A few do. Very few of those who get sick are considered previously healthy. Most already have an underlying condition.  
 
In the news again, it was stated that cases of Covid are much more in advanced countries due to people being kept artificially alive (including all ages) through use of drugs and other means, meaning many people already are not healthy & are more susceptible due to their underlying conditions.  
 
A scientific study in BC that was recently reported on in the news revealed that according to antibody testing, that 8 times the amount of people caught that tested positive in BC have already had Covid...but were not in the positive cases stats.  
 
What if this family only goes into Brandon once a month from an hour or more out of the city and this is the first time kids have been along? Most city folks don't think twice about shopping everyday, sometimes multiple times in one day & many stores within that one day.  
 
They might actually be following the rules too...and better than that 1 person beside you. Did you stop to ask & find out?  
 
What if they all needed something in that one trip (as opposed to many trips)? What if it was shopping for many families? It is more efficient and wiser for so many reasons to do one trip & not many.  
 
What if the older kids are not responsible enough to care for the younger ones? Then there are the other suggested reasons that have already been given.  
 
Maybe this whole family is more responsible than that one person in front of or behind them. Did you think of that? Teaching responsibility to children is important too. That sometimes requires being in the situation instead of hiding at home.  
 
As stated before, nobody knows the full reasons and it is hateful to judge when you don't know. Hate against political stripe, hate against color, hate against..., now there are more now than ever hating families and really, that is irrational. If you have one person from that family, and they are unknowingly positive, that's all it would take. Being six people doesn't automatically make them more "dangerous"! The one at a time in the stores suggestion was an early one, and isn't practical for many...but many still could manage that for a *short* time...and did. Have you noticed as well that this rule no longer exists in most stores?  
 
A heads up...one day, hopefully soon, my whole large family is coming to Brandon. We need many things that we have been waiting on and we want to get them before we all get shut down a second time. The kids haven't all been in with us except once through this whole mess, and it's a good thing. Adults hating kids for being a part of a family & actually being seen & hated on is unacceptable. Have you hated on a family of 4? Most likely not...it is more acceptable in society to have only 2 kids. That is sad. Quit picking on large families. It makes you sound very bitter and is very rude. See some of my comments above and reconsider. *I would be more concerned about the one city person who just has to go to a store (or more) daily and doesn't care to plan ahead and avoid shopping.* Those folks are more risky.  
 
We follow rules. My kids are taught and reminded of what is acceptable. This is reminding me of how black kids are warned of hate stemming from others & how to be careful of strangers. I bet this talk has recently been through the Hutterite & most likely uniquely but similarly dressed Mennonite areas as well due to Roussin's slip up, since most people incorrectly assume they are the same & lump them together. You just don't know the stranger's attitudes. Thankfully for us at this point, abuse is only verbal and not physical.  
 
If you are that concerned about the virus, I want to suggest that maybe you and others with this presumptive attitude should be the one(s) staying home. Life needs to continue on somehow in spite of everything. None of us can be cooped up forever. It is just not good in any way.  
 
Edited by Flutterby, 2020-07-28 08:58:35

I can no longer edit. I should have also said that hate motivated by fear is even worse & more dangerous than hate alone.

you and amen to all youve said!! peoples attitudes since phase one have been atrocious to say the least. either they are ignorant and cant figure out what at least arms length is, or they are wearing hazmat suits and expect everyone to do the same. its actually nerve wracking going into a store with the crappy attitudes of so many on either side of this virus

WE can not live in fear of COVID for the rest of our lives. Will you die from covid maybe but you also could die from the flu, cold or anything else in this world. You could step outside in your yard and you could get a tick and get lime disease and die. Are you going to stop going outside now? I follow social distancing and I use hand sanitizer going in and out of stores and I follow the arrows. I do not wear a mask unless I am asked to. You can judge me but maybe when I see someone with a mask I wonder to myself if you are sick and if you should be in the store but I do not come onto ebrandon and complain about it.

the family was shopping for school supplies and clothes? jus sayin

 
 
Edited by auntieerica1984, 2020-07-29 20:40:08

This whole covid thing has been all over  
 
First start everyone get tested we can't move forward until everyone gets tested. Masks do nothing. Stay home and don't even think about breathing moistly. Well I hope people that were all about testing went once a week and got tested once they opened it up. If you tested on Monday and contacted it Tuesday well you never will have known. I bet with your negative test Monday you feel pretty comfortable that you can walk around with less fear.  
 
Then it was shifted to now where we have half a dozen to a dozen cases that they can easily trace where they came from and people are freaking out that it is running rampant. No people made a decision to gather and they ended up sick. These new cases aren't unknown tracing. If we were having these numbers with unknown tracing then I would consider this is growing again. Yes our numbers are going to go up and down over time. It's going to happen. We can't lock ourselves inside for ever. There will be far worse medical issues arise from that.  
I know testing is still happening, but you hear nothing about go get tested. We need 100% of the population tested to open up. Now it's wear a mask. If you care about everyone else you better wear a mask. I actually feel very uncomfortable around people wearing a mask. Why are you wearing it? What do you have?  
 
The absolute best situation I saw. This was a month or so ago. Pumping gas. Person at another pump is wearing a mechanics style glove on one hand that they were using to pump gas. Pumps their gas. Puts nozzle away. Takes other hand and grabs the glove by the palm/finger area and pulls it off. Sure glad you protected the one hand.  
 
People feel they are doing good. But really have no idea how to properly protect themselves. How to wear masks, how to wear gloves, how to properly sanitize.  
 
I choose to not wear a mask as I don't believe it protects anyone. They have changed their mind over this so many times I don't think anyone actually knows. It's not that I feel invincible, its there is no proof it works. And I feel it gives people a false sense of protection. Majority of people I find that crowd up on me in public have a mask. People that don't tend to be more aware of a bubble. I distance myself from others. I am way more conscious of sneazing/coughing into elbow opposed to hands.  
 
Im either going to catch it or I'm not. If I do I will either recover with no symptoms or could one of the few that end up in the ICU struggling to live. I can jump I'm my car and get smoked by someone running a red light and end up dead. Doesn't stop me from living and driving.  
 
I am more worried about what all These CERB and payouts are going to do to the economy and the government then I am catching a virus.  
Where is this billions of lost tourism and Payouts coming from? There will have to be major budget cuts in the future. Just remember when a program gets cut that it was lost to covid payouts. Yes I applied and am hoping to get mine this week. I am stupid to not. I will be paying for it for the rest of my life. Why not benefit from it.  
 
I think Manitoba definitely got ahead of the outbreak and steps they took to lock the province down clearly worked. But it's time to open up and live and end this fear mongering.

"I choose to not wear a mask as I don't believe it protects anyone. They have changed their mind over this so many times I don't think anyone actually knows."  
 
That's is demonstrably untrue.  
 
Masks protect. That's why medical staff where them even prior to COVID. It protects the wearer to some degree, but more importantly it protects the other person. This has been known for at least 100 years, during the 1919 influenza pandemic masking was widespread for this reason.  
 
The advice for the general public to wear masks has changed approximately once. It went from "the public shouldn't wear masks because we're concerned they're not going to do it properly and it will cause more harm than good" to "the public should wear masks because even when done wrong the benefits will outweigh the risks". The issue was never the mask, but people.  
 
If you wear a mask, and wear it properly, and everyone else wears masks too, the science suggests that it can reduce transmission by 90% or more. That part is still ongoing - it might only be 50% - but it clearly has a benefit.  
 
I agree with the rest of what you say. Many people don't wear them properly, or remove them properly. Many people do the thing with the gloves (I've seen it too!). But people doing things incorrectly doesn't negate the science support masks.

It doesn’t affect you if somebody else wears a mask it actually helps you if somebody else wears a mask. Take a minute to think about this. If a person is asymptomatic they could potentially pass this virus off to others and not even be aware of it. You have no idea in passing others if they have symptoms or not so why would you take that risk. If everyone wore a mask then we would all be better off and hopefully we could prevent this virus from spreading. All we have to do is look at the high number of cases in the USA. Do we want to be like them? I would think not. So let’s all do what we can now so we don’t end up like the USA. Scary stuff!!!

Just wanted to add support for wearing masks and practicing distancing. This flu/cold season along with covid is going to be interesting. If everyone wore a mask that would hopefully lower the number of people that get sick.

Will give them the benefit of the doubt that they really didn't know what they were dealing with back in January or February, but since then Dr Fauci has changed his tune so many times that it's becoming impossible to even know what instrument he's playing. First we didn't need masks according to him, then we did and now he is actually talking about us wearing eye protection. What's next? Full Haz- Mat suits? At what point are people going to say "enough already"? Or are we going to eventually see bus rides to isolation camps? Seriously, how much freedom are you willing to give up in the name of safety?