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If you are on a street with two lanes, then people can go in the right lane and pass you, no harm done. If you are driving this speed on a single lane, then I would pull over and let traffic by, then continue on my leisurely way. We have done this if your driving around looking at homes for sale or christmas lights in the winter.

Drivers who wander along well under. The speed limit offer have the tendency to speed up/slow down for no reason other than they are just wandering along with no real concern about getting anywhere in any particular time. Iten they think nothing of doing their slow speed in the left hand lane next to a vehicle also going slow in the right hand lane-then yes, you will get honked at or have people flip you the bird. You want to putt along, get into the right hand lane which is meant for slower traffic. There is also the tendency to slow down way early and sneak up on intersections, sometimes resulting in the light turning before you make the turn and then everyone behind gets held up more. Sneaking up on I tersectiins isn't safer-you can drive at posted speeds and approach normally and still stop or turn safely.  
 
If other drivers are not supposed to care that you drive slowly, why do you care if others drive faster? Double standard there i would say.

I am going out shopping for next couple of hours so can you please stay home till about 2 o'clock or so that would help me lots thanks.

Mr.Brett said "All people can respond with here is "40 is slow! How can you only do 40?" Listen, it was a proportionate example. For those who ask, NO, I do not do it just to piss people off. For the 3rd time: I enjoy cruising, I'm a car enthusiast, and live a slower-paced life-style with simple pleasures, and my main one is driving my cars. So why on one of my preferred pass-times would I gun it everywhere? If one plays guitar, they don't go all out and play Metallica and shred picks all day long do they? No, sometimes they might just strum an easy-going Eagles tune every now and then. Same idea here. "

Mt.Brett i dont think speeding up 10 km would be classified as gunning it, and you wont burn off your tires.  
 
Example: the turning light at 18-vic. If everyone "guns" it 3-4 cars can turn, but when the first car takes their time only one car turns. Hope there isnt to many vehicles wanting to turn.

Mr. Brett must have been on the road today because I got stuck behind some ignorant man going 48/km in the 70/km zone on the North Hill.

do you (op) come on here and ask for opinions and then have a fit when more people disagree with you and point out how dangerous your actions are being, than agree with you!?! As someone that enjoys cruising in classic cars and on my HD, I can sort of relate....but in no way should my love for riding low and slow impede others and put other lives at risk. The way you responded makes you sound like one of the most dangerous thoughtless driver and I hope one day you do meet a BPS officer that gives you a ticket. I care about how my driving affects other drivers and whether I am speeding or cruising it should never affect others safety. Thoughtlessness and self-centered is way more dangerous than doing the speed limit.

Boy, how you people interpret things is sure entertaining. Driving slightly slower, and we know that 5-10 KM. less than the limit is slight, is not a sign of a poor driver, nor did I ever imply that I speed up and slow down constantly with no control over my foot. In fact I'd challenge every single one of you against me for holding a steady speed. No one steadier than me, so fluctuation is not an issue.  
And I find it rather rude to be-little me by saying I have a fit. I'm calm, collected, and never freaked out, where as most of the people here right away call me crazy and tell me to quit driving.  
My closing statement to this whole discussion, because it's too far gone:  
I hope, truly and dearly, that I get at least 1 of the folks from this discussion behind me at some point, sooner or later. Flip me off, yell, honk, I welcome it all. I'll be there, and never, ever, will your gesture mean a damn thing

How does your 40 k a hour leasuirly cruising speeds fare in city’s like Winnipeg Calgary or even Regina. You can’t tell me there isn’t a flow of traffic in those city’s. Brandon’s not that big. But in our peak times. Traffic does have a flow. The speed limit helps that.

Sorry I didn’t mean to try and give you a hard time I seen you were getting it some posts above. I just wanna know how your leisurely speed philosophy applies to bigger city’s where there is an actual flow of traffic.

Remember years ago watching the above mentioned TV show and at the time, Manitoba was the only Province in Canada that you could be charged for driving too slow. I hope this is still law and enforceable.

This going way back, back when speed was in miles per hour. I had an old Dodge car that I thought I would drive once I turned 16, at that time I was told that the car would have to be able to maintain the speed of 45 mph and that was is a 60 mph speed area. Hopefully the ratio is slightly higher than those numbers. At an eighty percent ratio that would make 40 kph in a 50 kph zone acceptable.  
Drivers in Winnipeg, from my experience mind more about how they drive, than how others drive, unless you are doing something to the extreme.  
Big Daddy, years ago we used to haul our cattle to the Burns plant, many trips involved, and one time involved what I would call close to road rage. The crosswalk at the university was always a problem, and on one occasion a person waited till I was way too close to push the button and step onto the pavement. When hauling cattle, it is like hauling water in a tank with no baffles, braking and turning can cause concerns. I managed to get stopped and the person then flipped me the bird, this was the only time in my life that I looked around the cab of the truck for a tire wrench.  
When something like this happens you just have to take a deep breath and carry on, and hope that this person never meets the guy that had the tire wrench handy.  
Care, caution and courtesy, which was the motto of defensive driving, does have to involve all parties, and in the end, dangerous situations are always around us, and I am one that believes that one is responsible for the safety of all.

Mr.Brett said "Don Brown, you, are the light in all this darkness of ignorance and arrogance. Thank-you! Anyone and everyone reading this needs to get something straight. I do not care about your schedule, and I a not in a hurry. If all you clowns are, too bad. How many times I get passed and roll up right beside them at a red light 7 blocks down. It doesn't help.   And my 40 KM. travelling speed (usually), is not a personal restriction, or a cautious move, it's simply my leisurely cruising speed, which I travel when LEISURELY CRUISING. If someone is in a hurry, it's simple: I   m not. They make bumper stickers saying: I May Be Slow, But I'm In Front Of You. Exactly!   Anyone crying the blues about their comfort issues with various speeds, and having always needing to do the speed limit, and "boo-hoo traffic flow", I've got no use for your ignorance and narrow-mindedness "

the attitude you show here in your post is exactly why you are getting honked at and such, you can have you leisurely drive but admitting you really dont give a darn about anyone else but you tells us a lot about how you are on the road doing 40.  
 
My bet is you are not one to let people go because they are in a hurry and you are not, not one to move over when there is a line behind you, not one wait until the car goes by before you turn, cuse you know you are slow, nope why would you, you dont give a darn about their schedules, why would you, right?  
 
nope, you are like the two older guys I saw in their very nice old cars, out for a cruise that instead of both staying in the right lane doing 35/40 enjoying themselves, nope, they stayed beside each other enjoying hindering everyone else, cuse they weren't in a hurry, dont matter if you are.  
 
they didnt even bother to look ahead and notice traffic in their lane was going to have to slow and make a lane change, nope they almost hit the person who did, with that beautiful old car that couldnt handle the extra gas they gave it, almost stalling as he cut them off,why because they had to stay together on their casual drive, they are enjoying themselves and not in a hurry you know, then after all of that when the huge line behind them had it, sped by and honked they thought how rude, why wont people be nice, not tail gate ect,  
 
the answer is because of the same attitude you have, they are only thinking of themselves So if you want them to care about your leisurely cruse start caring about their schedules, instead of being like the two guys in the story above

Drivers like you add to the road rage !

Mr.Brett said "Don Brown, you, are the light in all this darkness of ignorance and arrogance. Thank-you! Anyone and everyone reading this needs to get something straight. I do not care about your schedule, and I a not in a hurry. If all you clowns are, too bad. How many times I get passed and roll up right beside them at a red light 7 blocks down. It doesn't help.   And my 40 KM. travelling speed (usually), is not a personal restriction, or a cautious move, it's simply my leisurely cruising speed, which I travel when LEISURELY CRUISING. If someone is in a hurry, it's simple: I   m not. They make bumper stickers saying: I May Be Slow, But I'm In Front Of You. Exactly!   Anyone crying the blues about their comfort issues with various speeds, and having always needing to do the speed limit, and "boo-hoo traffic flow", I've got no use for your ignorance and narrow-mindedness "

post and you will clearly see why I said you were having a "fit"! Not all of us were bashing you or making fun of you by name calling. I like many others disagreed with your train of thought. You don't like people disagreeing, don't post on social media! You don't like other opinions, don't ask for opinions on social media!  
It wasn't until you said stuff like "boo-hoo, narrow-mindedness, ignorance" and "if someone is in a hurry, it's simple: I'm not" where I changed my tone of thinking this is just someone that is unaware of the safety issues and disruption they are causing, to this sounds like a spoiled little child that is self-centered and ignorance to anyone but themselves.  
And once again, you don't like people calling you on it so you say you're done. I still encourage you to seek out the episode of Mythbusters where they showed how traffic jams are caused by one person like yourself and hopefully you learn how dangerous and ignorant your driving style truly is.

Its not about Mr. Brett driving slow, its about all the Mr Bretts that drive slow that cause the issue. I did a quik tally and i figure there is 4 Bretts per block in Brandon.  
 
The biggest Brett was going north down the 18th St bridge doing 35 km.

ifish said "Its not about Mr. Brett driving slow, its about all the Mr Bretts that drive slow that cause the issue. I did a quik tally and i figure there is 4 Bretts per block in Brandon.     The biggest Brett was going north down the 18th St bridge doing 35 km. "

I was behind him too!

Mr.Brett said "What I'd like to know is if the speed limit is let's say 50 KM./HR., and I''m going around 40, why people seem to think that is ridiculously slow. It''s not. What''s 10 KM.? I''ve been tail-gated, honked at, yelled at, and flipped off, all because some people feel the need to go absolutely 50 KM. even, or most-likely faster. I'll tell you something, and this is a big point of debate: IT WILL NOT GET YOU THERE ANY SOONER. 4-10 seconds does not make your arrival any sooner than mine. I've done it countless times: get to the store, I'm parking, they're heading in - Same thing. We got there at the same time.   Anyone feel I''m delusional?     Edited by Mr.Brett, 2018-07-06 22:54:47"

The problem is you asked a specific question on ebrandon. The people of ebrandon answered it. Than you rejected the response to that question.  
It is clear the majority of the people of brandon believe 40 in a 50 is slow. The right response would have been to thank everyone for their honest answers. Even if you decide not to put the new found knowledge to use, you could still be thankful for peoples honest opinions.  
 
The concept that faster speed dose not get you there faster is false. The majority of the people that pass you, you will not meet at the next light. they will be at the other side of the light continuing on their merry way, or stopped one light ahead of you... and then 2 and so on. Those that you see stopped at the same light you are, are the exception to the rule. They probably represent less than 20% of the people that passed you.

...just reinforces how wonderful the world will be if self-driving vehicles can become the norm rather than the exception. The reality is that human drivers are incapable of consistently following simple rules. As a result, we end up with unnecessary traffic bottlenecks, and a huge number of injuries and fatalities.  
 
40km/h while you cruise the city may not seem problematic to you. But you're practicing confirmation bias when you say nobody is impacted and argue that going faster doesn't get you to a destination more quickly - sure, in some cases, over a short distance, it won't. But overall, going to speed limit will absolutely get you to your destination more quickly than going slower than the speed limit.  
 
The reality is most cities have timed their traffic lights based on the speed limits in effect. When one driver purposely goes slower, everyone trapped behind them gets stuck at more red lights because they did not cover the distance between lights in the expected timeframe. Not only is this annoying, but it's bad for the environment, and hurts businesses that have time pressures.  
 
Driving more slowly IS dangerous. While we can argue about who is more at fault (the slower driver or those weaving around them because they are impatient or have somewhere to be), the point is, if everyone simply drove the speed limit there would be no need for all the lane changes and passing required to get around the person impeding traffic - maneuvers that increase the risk of collisions.  
 
Having said that, the reality is that a lot of drivers consistently exceed the speed limit, and a lot of drivers are terrible at driving, and some drivers are also terrible human beings with no respect or regard for their own, or other's safety. So whether you go 40km/h or 50km/h in a 50km/h zone, some idiot will always be barreling down the road with reckless abandon.  
 
Bring on the self-driving vehicles.

A lot of seniors in this city really need to evaluate their ability to drive at all. As a lot are causing so many issues with not doing the posted limits. Yet on other hand 20 minutes later on a highway same individuals are passing you doing 125 in a 100 lol.

Now there's a idea that will test the patience of likely all drivers. The reason I say that is when I look at the squeeze that is put on drivers at the old bridge on 18th. Right now it is a personal decision about letting other drivers merge, with driverless cars it will be a situation that if the car beside you is a foot or so ahead of you, and puts on it's blinker to merge, you will be slowed to allow it to merge, maybe a good idea, but it will test people.  
On thing I learn from cousins, in Winnipeg many years ago, was when in a hurry put you brain in gear and stay away from major routes, somehow doubt that driverless cars would adopt such thinking.  
I like technology and usually embrace it, because it moves us forward, but I do realize that I have seen how the forced technology usually comes with a financial cost. Total driverless cars will likely end up with a monthly or yearly fee.

don brown said "Now there's a idea that will test the patience of likely all drivers. The reason I say that is when I look at the squeeze that is put on drivers at the old bridge on 18th. Right now it is a personal decision about letting other drivers merge, with driverless cars it will be a situation that if the car beside you is a foot or so ahead of you, and puts on it's blinker to merge, you will be slowed to allow it to merge, maybe a good idea, but it will test people.   On thing I learn from cousins, in Winnipeg many years ago, was when in a hurry put you brain in gear and stay away from major routes, somehow doubt that driverless cars would adopt such thinking.   I like technology and usually embrace it, because it moves us forward, but I do realize that I have seen how the forced technology usually comes with a financial cost. Total driverless cars will likely end up with a monthly or yearly fee. "

Personally, I can not wait for the autonomous vehicle age to mature and do for ground traffic what it has been for air traffic for decades now. That is not to say that the transition won't be painful at first for many reasons (particularly the next few decades of mixing erratic humans and machines), but I predict it will all eventually come together. And it will be much more efficient.  
 
Take some common situations.  
Traffic lights, now timed for both aggressive and passive drivers, can have shorter cycles if all vehicles respond at the exact same measured rate.  
Zipper merging won''t be dependant on someone letting you in.  
Emergency vehicles won''t have to fight to get past traffic bottlenecks.  
 
And to bring it back to the discussion, the speed variance on both sides of the envelope (40 OR 60k) may be programmed out altogether. Or if conditions allow (empty streets, good conditions, few pedestrians), speeds may increase.  
 
The sooner the human element is removed from the driver''s seat, frankly, the better. Though we still have some time to go before this all fully kicks off.  
 
Having said that though, I think autonomous truck traffic between Winnipeg and Mexico is not all that far into the future.  
 
Edited by Simonwalcal, 2018-07-08 08:20:44

rum said "    Mr.Brett said "What I'd like to know is if the speed limit is let's say 50 KM./HR., and I''m going around 40, why people seem to think that is ridiculously slow. It''s not. What''s 10 KM.? I''ve been tail-gated, honked at, yelled at, and flipped off, all because some people feel the need to go absolutely 50 KM. even, or most-likely faster. I'll tell you something, and this is a big point of debate: IT WILL NOT GET YOU THERE ANY SOONER. 4-10 seconds does not make your arrival any sooner than mine. I've done it countless times: get to the store, I'm parking, they're heading in - Same thing. We got there at the same time.   Anyone feel I''m delusional?     Edited by Mr.Brett, 2018-07-06 22:54:47" The problem is you asked a specific question on ebrandon. The people of ebrandon answered it. Than you rejected the response to that question.   It is clear the majority of the people of brandon believe 40 in a 50 is slow. The right response would have been to thank everyone for their honest answers. Even if you decide not to put the new found knowledge to use, you could still be thankful for peoples honest opinions.     The concept that faster speed dose not get you there faster is false. The majority of the people that pass you, you will not meet at the next light. they will be at the other side of the light continuing on their merry way, or stopped one light ahead of you... and then 2 and so on. Those that you see stopped at the same light you are, are the exception to the rule. They probably represent less than 20% of the people that passed you. "

No offense to everybody here but eBrandon does not necessarily what the majority of people in our city feel about anything.  
 
While I atleast agree driving 40km per hour on a major street is a bit slow under ideal (key word IDEAL!) conditions, I also believe that speeding is just as bad. I hope those who racing 60km per hour down the streets get pulled over especially on secondary streets. Stating 'I'm going with the flow of traffic' likely won't cut to the police officer who pulls you over and gives you a speeding ticket.  
 
Edited by unbreakable1, 2018-07-08 08:36:30

The rule is to drive at a safe speed. If you’re on a main street you should drive 50 km/h unless pulling something like a trailer.  
 
In residential areas 40 km/h might be too fast considering parked cars and children.

Bring on the Self Driving Cars. I miss the Good Old Days, when people respected other drivers. That has sadly changed forever. There's just too much attitude. A lot of drivers just don't know how to operate a vehicle safely. And life in general is just all about speed. Driving a vehicle shouldn't be how quick a person can get somewhere. Just be "Safe", & enjoy the Summer.

This is my thought on this slow drivers cause accidents more then speedy drivers. But having said that each person also drives at there own speed which doesn't bother me one bit unless your on a single lane road, on a two lane road driving next to the only other person in brandon driving 40 with you slow traffic keep right, or on the highway if you want to drive 80 on the highway and there is a bunch of on coming or a solid yellow then you can easily to 80 on the shoulder pull over and let people pass then pull back onto the highway. Otherwise drive how you want

its dangerous, and its ingnorant, and not in any particular order. If someone is going the posted limit, and all of a sudden come up on a vehicle doing much less than the flow of traffic, its extremeley dangerous and can easily cause accidnets. This rings especially true on the highway. Get off the road if you cant keep up.