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The comment made by bigmoe represents part of Mr. Trumps ideas, he is against the federal reserves idea of trying to control inflation by tight money policy and seems to think that more money should be put into the economy, more money in the economy usually results in inflation, and since we purchase so much from the US, the cost of what we consume will go up. Also as mentioned, if he pushes to end trade with other nations it will also hurt. We have one of those American green tractors, and since it's getting older we have to buy parts, interesting thing is nearly every part we put on it seems to come from offshore. The reason for this is the part is produced outside of the US cheaper, so tearing up trade deals and trying to start trade wars will cost us all, not just those in the stock market. There are those who are trying to push Reganomics, because at the time they worked, but the world economy has become much more globalized, and it's no longer the 1980's so those ideas aren't going to work. It's going to be interesting how he is going to fund his infrastructure programs, to do it the country will have to issue long term debt, and that debt will have to be bought up by foreign investors or countries, it will be interesting how eager those countries will be to purchase American debt if there is the idea that we aren't going to trade with you.

The most scary aspects about Trump are his unpredictability and compulsive lies (which can, in most cases, be very easily refuted. Now I realize most politicians lie from time to time, but Trump takes it to a whole other level, sometimes lying dozens of times in a single day). I''ll admit that the ''f*** you'' he gave to the US political system is somewhat thrilling and exhilarating, but I can''t help but have my doubts about this guy. Note that this guy''s been all over the political spectrum in his lifetime making him not exactly a true Republican in my opinion (though, to be fair, some consider him an independent but I''ve never heard him refer to himself as that). It''s my guess that he ran as a Republican largely, if not entirely, because he thought he could more easily win as that than as a Democrat. Remember how only a few years ago he was in love with the Clintons, defending Bill at any chance he got? Well now he hates the Clintons and thinks they''re criminals. This does not make any sort of sense. One more thing about Trump that bothers me: the impossible promises. The wall thing is possible, yes, but getting Mexico to pay for it isn't. And he knows this.  
 
As always is the case when a new president has been elected, it''s always my hope that they''ll end up doing a competent job as the leader of the USA, but I have my doubts. And, just to put it out there, I''m neither liberal nor conservative—I''m more of an in-betweener with slightly left leaning views, while acknowledging that the left have some problems of their own. I also can''t stand much of the media and view them in a negative light as many modern conservatives do. So I guess, in that way, I kinda relate to conservatives.  
 
Anyway, anyone else a bit fed up with this whole ''us VS. them'' mentality? It''s a recipe for a civil war of sorts.  
 
Edited by , 2016-11-10 01:17:25

All dressing rooms open now!!!

My take on it is that he said whatever it took in order to be elected, truth having nothing to do with whatever came out of his mouth. Now that he's in, if he follows through on a fraction of it I will be surprised. He said he would "drain the swamp" of insiders and elite's, yet the people put those same insiders right back in Congress. There will be no swamp draining. When he finally gets around to learning the job he will find out how things really work in government. Short of becoming a dictator, he's going to have to work with the insiders if he wants to do anything. If the American people had thought this through, they would have figured out the fact that it doesn't matter who lives in the White House. It's who they elected at the state level that can make things better. Perhaps they will get it right next time. In the mean time hopefully he won't cause any irreparable harm.

I find it rather interesting that all through that election we were told by the media as well as the democrat party ad's that Trump supporters are the lower class, the "deplorables" even the "angry white male".  
 
Yet look at the way the democrat supporters are acting now, blustering about leaving, rioting and massive protests all because they lost, who's deplorable now ?  
 
Frankly they should be ashamed, they voted and their party lost, it happens in every election, it just seems like this group more so than any other in recent memory are acting like children.  
 
Thinking back I remember a few riots when Obama first won, but I seem to remember them being winning riots, like stanley cup riots, or is my memory fuzzy ?

kevlar said "    IMO said "    BTM707 said "No more "what ifs" now, folks.     Welcome to hell. " I am interested to hear why you think we are in hell now with Donald Trump as president " I would like to know too, everyone is terrified, but don't actually have a reason why. Probably just going by what the media has told them to think. I have a lot more faith in his ability to govern than Hillary. If they had knowingly elected her with all she has done, that would have basically told her they were ok with what she has done and gave her permission to carry on as usual but in a position where she couldn't be stopped. My god people, she's a criminal!!!! "

Did you just space out over the last year and a half? Did you miss the protests/riots over the last couple days? People don''t want an inexperienced, temperamental, immature, racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic assh*le to be in charge of the most powerful country in the world - especially when said man has access to leagues of the most deadly weapon we have today. Obama has spent the last eight years slowly but surely improving that country for the better, and Trump''s game plan - which he has stated, REPEATEDLY - is to undo it all ASAP. Of course everyone is terrified of Trump being in charge. The real question is, why in god''s name aren''t you?  
 
"Grab them by the p*ssy." Oh yeah. He''ll be great.  
 
Edited by BTM707, 2016-11-10 13:24:43

Johnbisonbear said "Does The Donald still think the election was rigged? "

No he Along with the Russians probably rigged it. Lol

You're delusional. The people voted him in and the others have to accept it.  
How is he sexist? Because he said "grab them by the p*ssy?" We've all said bad things. Everyone one of us. Where he did say he's homophobic? Proof please. He came out with support for the gay community after the shootings in Orlando. And he only wants to put a temporary stop on Muslims coming into the country.  
So you hate a guy who has only said a few crass things but support (I'm assuming) a woman who did things she knew was wrong and stayed married to a man who is sexist which is proven though all his actions. Not to mention the corrupt Clinton foundation who took 25 million for Saudi Arabia.  
Clinton like Obama is a globalist.

KJ2013 said "You're delusional. The people voted him in and the others have to accept it.   How is he sexist? Because he said "grab them by the p*ssy?" We've all said bad things. Everyone one of us. Where he did say he's homophobic? Proof please. He came out with support for the gay community after the shootings in Orlando. And he only wants to put a temporary stop on Muslims coming into the country.   So you hate a guy who has only said a few crass things but support (I'm assuming) a woman who did things she knew was wrong and stayed married to a man who is sexist which is proven though all his actions. Not to mention the corrupt Clinton foundation who took 25 million for Saudi Arabia.   Clinton like Obama is a globalist. "

Sorry friend, but I don't support Hillary. The only one I cared for at all was Bernie, and he unfortunately couldn't cut it with the Democrats. That being said, if I had to vote down south, I'd have gone for the lesser of the two evils in my eyes - the "corrupt criminal" some of you think of her as. What I can't understand is how people can defend Trump as a candidate/president. I'm sorry, but the sexist/misogynist part isn't really up for debate anymore: the guy is a complete tool who o:bjectifies women. What is the justification for a "temporary" ban on Muslims? And how is that not motivated by bigotry? It's racist and/or Islamophobic, and it'a completely unnecessary. Finally, he's said "There can be no discrimination against gays. I'm against gay marriage." The problem with this is that A) he says he's against same-sex marriage but contradicts himself, so he either doesn't know what he means or doesn't know what "discrimination" means, and B) this is quite reflective of his overall campaigning, in which he is flip-flopping so much that no one really knows where he stands on his policies anymore. Say what you want about Hillary, but you absolutely cannot defend Trump against his actions, especially over the campaign. He's taken an ethic stance so outdated that younger generations don't even understand how he ever had a chance.  
 
Edited by BTM707, 2016-11-10 18:48:24

Sorry I'd quote your post but I'm on the app and you can't do that.  
Anyways you still haven't provided me with proof that he's sexist. He may not believe in gay marriage but it's highly unlikely he'll do anything to stop it. He is on record as saying he accepts the Supreme Court ruling. People said the same thing about Harper and did he do anything to impede gay rights?  
As far as the ban of muslims goes I see no problem with that. Call me what you want I don't care. If a sect of people produce radicals more than any other group why not look into it? Pit bulls get a bad rep because the odd one goes violent but the whole breed is considered dangerous. I know it's a little foolish for me to compare dogs to human beings but I think it's a somewhat good comparison.  
I think besides Trump acting outlandish what has he ACTUALLY done that is scary? He is owed a fair shake going forward and let his actions speak for themselves. Then again a Liberal/Democrat is going to hate and bitch about anyone that isn't a Liberal.

Please keep in mind that this is a man who has repeatedly advocated for stopping terrorists by killing their families - an act that is actually a war crime, never mind how awful that just sounds by itself. Beyond that, you can't just accuse an entire sect of people for the actions of a SMALL few. If you actually break down the percentage of Syrian immigrants/refugees (one of the largest red flags for America) who commit actual acts of terrorism in America, the percentage is about 0.00000383% - in other words, 3 out of 784,000. The primary religion by a huge margin (87%~) of Syria is - are you ready? - Islam. What Trump is arguing is that 0.00000383% should be treated as a 100% threat, which is so astronomically stupid that it's almost unquantifiable.  
 
Do you REALLY want me to hunt down examples of misogyny? I'm seriously concerned that this is the one that doesn't seem to faze some of you.

I am hoping against hope that Trump turns out to be a decent president. But by the example he's set in the past, I can't hold my breath too long.

It comes down to proof. So if you want me to believe what you say you have to prove it else it's just opinion.  
But there is really no point. I don't think we are going to change each other's mind. Let's just hope for the best. I'm hoping he shakes up the system and fights globalism.

It does come down to proof. Problem is that no one can provide proof that Trump isn't everything I've accused him of. But no, we obviously aren't changing each other's mind tonight. You're right, all we can do is hope for the best.

Can't wait until January. Trump will put all these lefty environmentalists in their place and start getting pipelines built.  
 
Get people back to work and stop worrying about all the other stuff. It's all media hype anyways.

that Trump wants to abolish the EPA, doesn't believe in global warming/climate change and has said he will rewrite or abolish the trade agreements the US has?

If it's done responsibly the environmental harm will be negligible.  
 
Big corporations will choose to do it responsibly to minimize the odds of a disaster that will destroy their share price, profitability and ultimately, the company.  
 
These projects need to happen to move the economy of North America forward.

Isn't it funny how the media would run down Trump about being racist and now they say it was uneducated whites that voted him in. The democrats tried to use race to gain votes, but they cry foul when the white vote got Trump in. All the people protesting the vote are just spoiled. Babies that didn't get their way.

BTM707 said "    kevlar said "    IMO said "    BTM707 said "No more "what ifs" now, folks.     Welcome to hell. " I am interested to hear why you think we are in hell now with Donald Trump as president " I would like to know too, everyone is terrified, but don't actually have a reason why. Probably just going by what the media has told them to think. I have a lot more faith in his ability to govern than Hillary. If they had knowingly elected her with all she has done, that would have basically told her they were ok with what she has done and gave her permission to carry on as usual but in a position where she couldn't be stopped. My god people, she's a criminal!!!! " Did you just space out over the last year and a half? Did you miss the protests/riots over the last couple days? People don''t want an inexperienced, temperamental, immature, racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic assh*le to be in charge of the most powerful country in the world - especially when said man has access to leagues of the most deadly weapon we have today. Obama has spent the last eight years slowly but surely improving that country for the better, and Trump''s game plan - which he has stated, REPEATEDLY - is to undo it all ASAP. Of course everyone is terrified of Trump being in charge. The real question is, why in god''s name aren''t you?     "Grab them by the p*ssy." Oh yeah. He''ll be great.     Edited by BTM707, 2016-11-10 13:24:43"

Simply put:  
 
I am more offended by what Hillary did versus what Donald said.  
 
I can get past the email scandle. I can even get past the reslease of classified military information on live television. What I can't get past is the late term abortions and the live birth abortion which she supports. An abortion at 36 weeks? My brother was born at 35 weeks and he was a healthy baby. Jabbing a needle into the base of a baby's skull while it is half way out? Its unsettling. As for Obama, well that is another kettle of fish entirely. An increase of national debt, unemployment, people on food stamps and homelessness do not make a good leader.  
 
Is he the best choice to lead a country? Probably not. But as far as I am concerned, he is the lesser of two evils.

First off, my wife and I have often talked about abortion and in our case it is something that we could never go ahead with, but since I could never get pregnant because I'm the wrong sex the decision would have been hers. In many instances there is answers to problems that are doable. Here is my line of thinking. At a certain point of a pregnancy a fetus becomes sustainable, and in today's world that point is becoming earlier in the pregnancy all the time. If the state says abortion is not legal after the point of sustainability, then if a woman wishes an abortion the fetus or baby becomes the responsibility of the state. I do find the idea of late term abortions sort of disturbing or even the abortion of a sustainable fetus, but when laws are passed about certain things then those who pass the laws should be held somewhat responsible. Abortion laws are laws to protect the fetus, but how far are we willing to go with that idea that we must protect the fetus.

Showed her true colours in defeat, can't even congratulate the winner? Pathetic, then blaming it on the fact that she is a woman, even more pathetic.  
 
My prediction is that had Michelle Obama ran she would have won big time and last time I checked she was a woman and black as well.  
 
The people didn't want a crooked (and many people say evil) woman.  
 
I was not hoping for a trump win, but guess what, the world didn't stop, so we need to hope for the best and play whichever hand we are dealt in the future.  
 
We don't know yet, he could be a great president.

I think everyone is missing what I feel is the most dangerous part of everything Trump said.  
 
On live television, Trump threatened to put his opponent in jail. That right there is the single biggest red flag of them all.

Trevor said "I think everyone is missing what I feel is the most dangerous part of everything Trump said.     On live television, Trump threatened to put his opponent in jail. That right there is the single biggest red flag of them all. "

Isn't that where you would be if you had done the things she has? What makes her above the law?

swmb said "Showed her true colours in defeat, can't even congratulate the winner? Pathetic, then blaming it on the fact that she is a woman, even more pathetic.     My prediction is that had Michelle Obama ran she would have won big time and last time I checked she was a woman and black as well.     The people didn't want a crooked (and many people say evil) woman.     I was not hoping for a trump win, but guess what, the world didn't stop, so we need to hope for the best and play whichever hand we are dealt in the future.     We don't know yet, he could be a great president. "

Of course she called to congratulate him. It was in the early morning hours of Wednesday when it was clear he was elected.  
 
Where do you get your facts? Same place Trump gets his? (he had the worst fact checking record of all time in 3 debates with all his lies and ill preparation).  
 
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/washington/hillary-clinton-calls-to-congratulate-donald-trump/  
 
I''m not a big Hillary fan, but in my eyes she was the lesser of 2 evils and has dedicated her entire career to the public service sector, particularly families and children.  
 
I wonder what it would have been like if there had been a secret video release of HER saying "just grab ''em by the ****! You can do anything you want!  
 
At least she talked about policy (with a high record of positive fact checks - she knows her stuff). All he did was attack, intimidate and make low blows.  
 
 
Oh well. It is what it is. Just get your facts straight.  
 
Edited by Kellye, 2016-11-11 11:50:07

What's done, is done. Trump is now the President Elect. Let's wait and see what happens for the Americans, next year. I do think he's a threat to the stability of the worlds political stage, but he may not be the 'doom and gloom' many believe could happen. Let's not forget that George W Bush was/is an idiot puppet, surrounded by smart people who kept tight control of him and the policies of the Republican Party. Something similar will happen to Donald very soon. (Backroom deals always happen behind closed doors in politics) Some of you will be considered a fool you think Mr. Trumps attitude and demeanor will continue on like it has been lately/always. And if you think he doesn't answer to someone else... that is also be foolish to think that. Like George, Trump will have a 'buffer' immediately set up between himself and the public and media. 'Town meetings' with the people? ...Not happening with this President any time soon. Media/press interaction at the White House? ...Far and few, and of those will probably be written statements needed to be released to the public --No questions from the press will be answered by the President, thank you. The Paparazzi will have better coverage on that man, than CNN or NBC. LOL. How many interviews or question periods occur with the media, prior to the Kennedy years? If he says he's going to take America back to the "great times", that will entail of limiting of public knowledge of some actions and thoughts happening within the top office.  
 
Donald is no different then George, both are ignorant men that say/do stupid things on a personal level. But, the government will always be controlled by the shadow force of an collective inner circle from the Republican Party. It was clearly seen during the two term Bush jr. Administration.  
...We'll see it happen again for the Trump Administration as well.  
 
Some of Trumps campaign promises will happen, only because it will prove beneficial for the Republicans. Oil, healthcare reform, international trades, immigration and the 'trickle down' domestic economics will definitely be addressed, only to suit the capitalists controlling the party.  
 
Make room Kermit... There's another 'Muppet' in the spotlight.  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

no matter what happened in the election there was going to be many unhappy people that their choice didn't win. There's so much BS from all sides in these elections that you could cover millions of fields with manure. These #notmypresidents protests could very still happened if Hillary was elected. Many Trump supporters threatened action infront of many news cameras.

Universities offering counseling services for those who can't cope with Trump winning. People blocking highways over Trump winning. 'Adults' (and yes I am using ' ' for a good reason) offering advice on how to tell children how Trump won. I'm not a fan of either Trump or especially Clinton. Both Clinton and Trump have their faults in many levels but geez. People have voted. Just accept the results and go on with life. The world hasn't come to an end.

I love all these arguments about "Trump won, the world hasn't ended, calm down". You all realize that Trump isn't actually in power yet, right? He won't officially have power until January. So of course nothing bad's happened yet, because he's not in control yet. You can't argue that the world hasn't ended yet until Trump actually takes power. We still have no idea what could happen in the future.

They are doing exactly what the Trump supporters would be doing if Trump got the most votes, he made such a big deal out of the election being rigged, if he would have got more votes than Hillary they would be setting fires too. And most of the chanting and rhetoric heard on news coverage, was against the DNC and their rigged primary, their pissed off and rightly so they got screwed by their own party.

the U.S election was never about the popular vote, and everyone should know that. Since Independence, they used the Electoral Collage, because even back then they were paranoid.  
 
And their election system will never change because it's nearly impossible to get everyone to agree that it needs to be changed.