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Just wondering how many Manitobans would vote for someone who endorsed Stephen Harper as a leader and served on Gary Filmon's government? How many of you remember what happened when Filmon was premier? If you remember, did you agree with it? Perhaps since conservatism seems to be the order of the day in this part of Manitoba, I may be asking obvious questions. Hope the medical profession and educators are paying attention, and the rest of us better do our homework before April.

The bloated SpeNDP government is not who I will be voting for.... that much I know.

The conservatives will get my vote....the NDP has ruined our province

The current Government has a spending problem. There was before the rise of the PST enough revenue.  
 
If they get into power again and our Hydro revenue is included in the up coming transfer payment changes we will be in real trouble. I can not understand why they never were.  
 
I do not like any of the current leaders. The Tory leader is already talking about lower taxes before he sees the books. The bank account is empty in my opinion.  
 
While he is free to change spending priorities or make cuts after he is elected a promise new of cuts or new spending on top of what us committed rings hollow to me.  
 
A old Federal spending plan from years back would be music to me ears.  
 
Budget for a surplus. Once we get it then any surplus goes three ways. Debt repayment/rainy day fund and any new one time spending. It could be infrastructure  
Not new programs where there is ongoing yearly budget commitments needed.  
 
collect a tax dollar spend a tax dollar wisely.  
 
It is almost vote for none of above time if we had that choice

Mooey said "Just wondering how many Manitobans would vote for someone who endorsed Stephen Harper as a leader and served on Gary Filmon's government? How many of you remember what happened when Filmon was premier? If you remember, did you agree with it? Perhaps since conservatism seems to be the order of the day in this part of Manitoba, I may be asking obvious questions. Hope the medical profession and educators are paying attention, and the rest of us better do our homework before April. "

endorsing another Conservative, what's the big deal about that?  
 
Notley thinks Selinger is doing a bang up job of running Manitoba, so does Mulcair.  
 
The NDP have a spending problem like previously posted but refuse to admit it. Then the party makes lots of expensive promises to try and get re-elected.  
 
I won't be voting for any party with grandiose plans, I want fiscal responsibility. The only party leader talking like that is Pallister.

Which ever party gets in. They have a big mess to clean up and they are going to have to make tough decisions that won't be popular. Why do you think that the Filmon government was so unpopular? They were trying to clean up the mess left to him by the SpeNDP.  
 
I'd really love to see the SpeNDP get in again, solely for the purpose of cleaning up their own mess. Whoever, I know full well that they won't do it. They will keep on digging the hole deeper.

Just wondering what big payouts will be in store for the current NDP members who are either not running again or get defeated.  
I imagine most of them will be eligible for rather lucrative pensions so there shouldn't be too much crying in their beer.

We're quickly discovered that Justin The Selfie Boy Trudeau is a joke and a half. We are paying the price of the 40% of the population who voted for him.  
 
Seeing that the MGEU got their way in getting the provincial workers a big raise, they are doing some campaigning for Selinger using union due money. That should be illegal in my opinion. Same with the Teachers Union commercials for that matter.  
 
If you want to talk about your topic heading, we can argue that other then then Winnipeg, Northern Ridings and Brandon East, rural Manitoba never voted for the NDP in the past couple of provincial elections. Let's reflect on this for a while. Let's reflect that the NDP got caught not doing any major infrastructure spending minus the last year and a half. We can go on and on about this.  
 
I will gladly vote Conservative and hope all of Manitoba will give the NDP only 2 seats tops.  

What does JT have to do with this discussion? Huh?

Pallister had every right to endorse Stephen Harper, just the same as any other leader of a provincial party would have the right to endorse the federal party leader. A lot of Canadians, myself included, voted for Stephen Harper and still would if a federal election were called today, and yes, I know he's no longer the party leader. I liked Stephen Harper as Prime Minister and for the most part, I liked the federal Conservative government. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to vote for the provincial Progressive Conservatives though.  
 
In another thread there were comments on federal spending by the new government. Their supporters voted for them, knowing that they were planning to deliberately run deficits and then somehow magically pay them down in time for the next election. I doubt that they will be able to eliminate their deficit, but we will see. While I didn't and wouldn't vote for Justin Trudeau and the Liberals, for now, I'm willing to give them a chance unless they do something completely outragous. Ask me what I think in five years.  
 
Right now we are being asked to choose between a party and leader who lied to us about not raising the PST and then doing just that and a party, who under a former leader, lied to us about not selling MTS and then going ahead and selling it just a short time later. It's hard to forget being lied to, having promises made and then deliberately broken and what's more, why should we? Speaking of Hydro, we all know that our electricity rates are going to go "through the roof" over the next five or ten years, in order to try to recover some of the costs of the ridiculous Bipole 3 debacle. The fact that the lines are being run along the wrong side of the lakes is an attempt by Sellinger and the NDP to try to appease environmental activists/lobbyists and gain favour from the United Nations at the same time, all at our expense. So, am I voting PC? Maybe. I could vote for the provincial wing of the Liberal Party I suppose, but since I didn't feel confident enough to vote for the federal Liberals, I don't know why I would vote for their provincial counterpart.  
 
I could go and on with the things that I'm unhappy with in Manitoba and who, which politician/party, I blame, but I won't. At this point, I may or may not vote at all. I may vote for one of the major parties or I may give my vote to some small party that doesn't have a hope in hell of winning even one seat. I will say that it is high time that we had a "None of the Above" choice on every ballot.  
 
Edited by Triplethreat, 2016-02-25 18:00:42

Kellye said "What does JT have to do with this discussion? Huh? "

If Harper is fair game, then Trudeau is fair game.

don't know if I would want to win this election if I was running the PC Party. The province is a mess. We are paying almost $1BILLION a year to service the interest on our debt. That is very concerning for a province with just over a million inhabitants.

Triplethreat said "    Kellye said "What does JT have to do with this discussion? Huh? " If Harper is fair game, then Trudeau is fair game. "

Where did anyone attack Harper?

Triplethreat - there is a 'none of the above' option! In Manitoba (as well as Ontario and Alberta), a person can DECLINE their ballot.  
Here's an article about it:  
http://www.reformedperspective.ca/resources/46-politics/205-voting-for-none-of-the-above  
 

are bad in Manitoba. Things are worse in Ontario as they have a $300 billion debt. The system cannot sustain itself under these conditions. They put a massive band-aid over reality. Slowly, the band - aid is peeling away. As it stands, only one fraction of a corner of the band-aid has been peeled. Things are going to get much worse.  
 
We wonder why Trump is in the position he is in? It's because the professional politicians are severely screwing things up. Passive Canadians don't understand why Trump is popular. Many Canadians simply buy the sound bites put out by the establishment and their cronies who run the MSM.

<sigh> So typical of this province. The ndp spend too much. The pc's are too radical and right wing. Therefore there are no options and I must vote "none of the above" or decline my ballot. There is still the option of the provincial Liberal party. Now, I agree that they are untested, but by declining your ballot, you aren't so much sending a message as you are giving up your vote to someone else. I think that everyone who dislikes both the ndp and pcs should vote liberal. THAT should send a message to the status quo.

Interesting idea. What happens if the majority decline their ballot and win? Personally, I'd like to see that all the parties have to scrap their current candidates and start with new ones. Then the politicians would take the voting public seriously and we'd get good government.  
 
Just voting for a different party doesn't have any effect because the losing parties lost to the winning one, which doesn't change anything except the party in power. Same _hit, different pile.

Ha, to all of you complaining about how the NDP are spending money, and how the Liberals are spending money now as the federal government.....dont forget, the Conservatives had 10 years in power as federal government and had a deficit for that whole time. (Cant count the last year as a surplus) So, before everyone hates that NDP for spending money, all parties do it. You gotta spend money to make money.  
 
That being said, Im not fond of the NDP and change is a good thing.

Change is indeed a good thing, but why is the only option in Manitoba to change your dirty underwear into the last dirty underwear you had on before? Nobody outside of Winnipeg is even willing to consider putting on fresh, clean, brand new underwear. I just don't understand this province.  
 
Hey... if Alberta can elect an NDP government, then Manitoba should be able to give the liberals a chance.

The liberal leader along with the Party is not ready for Prime time.  
 
I was hoping their platform would be a good option. Their Federal cousins should have could still could send in help.  
 
We do need a good third option. That upstart less tax party has no chance in my opinion. The Greens still are a one issue party in my mind.

I agree that this vote does need serious consideration.  
 
in 8 years, or less, I do not want to see Pallister sitting on the board of a privatized Manitoba hydro, like Filmon does now with MTS.  
 
No matter the party stripe, I do not believe ANY elected official has the right to sell a crown corporation that took generations of taxpayer money to construct.  
 
that is the main reason I will never vote for the conservatives.

will not be privatized. Claiming Pallister will privatize hydro is nothing more than an NDP talking point meant to persuade low info voters. Hydro is a monopoly and privatizing it would make no sense. But it does make me wonder why Manitoba Hydro pays for rink boards in many arenas in Manitoba. Why are they paying for advertising? If you don't choose Manitoba Hydro, to whom will you go for power needs?  
 
MTS, on the other hand, is not a monopoly, and because there is much competition, MTS rates have been low.

I guess we should leave the ndp in power so our hydro rates can quadruple while the ndp plunder the coffers. Have people not noticed the steady rise in hydro a selling has raped manitoba hydro bank accounts.

tafeel said "I guess we should leave the ndp in power so our hydro rates can quadruple while the ndp plunder the coffers. Have people not noticed the steady rise in hydro a selling has raped manitoba hydro bank accounts. "

have. And the NDP has promised hydro rates will go up 50% over the next 10 years.  
 
Greg Selinger has spent his life in the public sector.  
 
Brian Pallister is wealthy because he took chances in the private sector and is very intelligent. It amazes me that progressives demonize the truly hard-working and successful.  
 
 

That is the best the NDP faithfull can come up with "look what happened years ago!"  
How about telling all the good the NDP have done for us the last two decades.

Sorbet said "will not be privatized. Claiming Pallister will privatize hydro is nothing more than an NDP talking point meant to persuade low info voters. Hydro is a monopoly and privatizing it would make no sense. But it does make me wonder why Manitoba Hydro pays for rink boards in many arenas in Manitoba. Why are they paying for advertising? If you don't choose Manitoba Hydro, to whom will you go for power needs?     MTS, on the other hand, is not a monopoly, and because there is much competition, MTS rates have been low. "

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/no-plans-to-privatize-then-and-now-130688038.html

Whiskers said "    Sorbet said "will not be privatized. Claiming Pallister will privatize hydro is nothing more than an NDP talking point meant to persuade low info voters. Hydro is a monopoly and privatizing it would make no sense. But it does make me wonder why Manitoba Hydro pays for rink boards in many arenas in Manitoba. Why are they paying for advertising? If you don't choose Manitoba Hydro, to whom will you go for power needs?     MTS, on the other hand, is not a monopoly, and because there is much competition, MTS rates have been low. " http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/no-plans-to-privatize-then-and-now-130688038.html "

privatization of hydro has resulted in lower bills and better service. Why would anyone be against that?  
 
Frances Russell......she makes me laugh as she is a partisan hack.  
 
 
 
Edited by Sorbet, 2016-02-27 16:29:45

Sorbet said "    Whiskers said "    Sorbet said "will not be privatized. Claiming Pallister will privatize hydro is nothing more than an NDP talking point meant to persuade low info voters. Hydro is a monopoly and privatizing it would make no sense. But it does make me wonder why Manitoba Hydro pays for rink boards in many arenas in Manitoba. Why are they paying for advertising? If you don't choose Manitoba Hydro, to whom will you go for power needs?     MTS, on the other hand, is not a monopoly, and because there is much competition, MTS rates have been low. " http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/no-plans-to-privatize-then-and-now-130688038.html " privatization of hydro has resulted in lower bills and better service. Why would anyone be against that?     Frances Russell......she makes me laugh as she is a partisan hack.         Edited by Sorbet, 2016-02-27 16:29:45"

It shows that the conservatives can not be trusted. Selling MTS was good for Filmon as he made over 1 million with stock options and sitting on the board of directors.  

First you say "Hydro will not be privatized". Then you offer this beauty: " The privatization of hydro has resulted in lower bills and better service"  
 
France's Russel may make you laugh, but your inconsistencies are quite laughable, too.  
 
People need to think seriously about this election. Both of the last two parties in power have lied to the voters. One of them even tried to rig an election.  
 
Choose wisely.  
 
 
 
Edited by standard standard h8r, 2016-02-27 16:47:57

I think we need to take responsibility for all of the lying that goes on in politics. I am not sure someone could/would get elected if they were always 100% truthful and honest.