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I don't give a rat's ass if I'm liable or not. if some jackass wants to break in here yes he will be facing a German Shepherd of police dog breeding. If he is too stupid to turn around and leave then she is welcome to bite him and then he can explain to authorities why he was in my house without any invitation to come in. I have farm liability insurance but an intruder would have to defend himself in court first. The dog would not bite without provocation and an intruder could not prove otherwise.

remember that if a thief is determined enough he will plan ahead and poison a guard dog a week or more prior to robbing you. It happens often enough, especially in some areas.

JessieJay said "remember that if a thief is determined enough he will plan ahead and poison a guard dog a week or more prior to robbing you. It happens often enough, especially in some areas. "

I guess you could have a lot of motion detectors as well as recordings of a couple of mean sounding dogs attached to the activation of said lights....

I would have chain link fence with abed wire along the top-motion sensor lights, cameras and a motion activated alarm that goes WOOP WOOP WOOP .  
 
LMAO my neighbors would love that. Wish I could afford it.

If you are trying to protect your snowmobile from theft use an arctic cat cover.

You might be liable if your dog bights an intruder.  
 
A thief probably wouldn't take you to court, because that would be stupid and they probably wouldn't even bother looking for a lawyer. A Jehovah's Witness or encyclopedia salesperson might sue you, if your dog can't tell the difference between a thief and a visitor.

If you have your insurance, no trespassing signs, BEWARE OF DOGS signs, then short of sitting up all night, every night with a shotgun loaded with salt: about the only other thing I could think of besides cameras , etc would be a very strong electric fence (warning signs posted of course). Haha  
Good luck catching the nervy buggers.

Security lights. Inexpensive. They flick on when someone enters the yard.

Kellye said "Security lights. Inexpensive. They flick on when someone enters the yard. "

Only issue with this, is that lights don't scare people. Some people are heavy sleepers and lights wont wake them up to alert them of trespassers in their yard. They definitely wont hurt though.

Be glad use a medium voltage electrical fence, use 2-3 strands. People in town can't from what I read. And yes a big dog helps. Also I would use a couple golfer holes around windows and things. I mean oops poor idiot was doing something fell and hurt themselves. You know they are there thrives might not.

An alarm system would work, it does not have to be monitored.  
Makes a lot of noise, if you are in the house, it will wake you up.  
Or you can have it phone your cell phone, if you are away.  
 
Edited by Toolman, 2016-05-28 22:08:25

Crow bar or bat worth it! Very good investment.... Along with a man that will use it, upon an uninvited entry in my home!!!

When I look at society I sometimes see more laws to protect those who break laws. If I were in a store and saw someone stealing and got involved physically I could likely be charged with assault, you put your hands on someone you stand the chance of being charged with assault. I even wonder about store employees if they were to try and restrain a person who was leaving the store with unpaid goods are they allowed to touch a person or are they also at risk of an assault charge.  
Now we go to a part that I consider interesting and may contain an answer, store security personel, they seem to be able to take a hands on approach to restraining and detaining thieves, not sure how much force they are allowed to use, but they sem to be allowed some physical force.  
Now let''s take this to maybe the next higher level, armoured car personel. I don''t think that they are police but do carry weapons and are allowed to discharge those weapons in public to prevent a theft from taking place.  
 
The reason I brought these points up is that over the years I have had different discussions with different Mounties about theft on the farm and have been told what I can do and what I can''t do, right down to the point of where and when I can use deadly force. The idea of deadly force may be a bit of a shock to some, but it does apply, if you don''t believe me ask a Mountie.  
Back to my points about security personel. Many police forces are unable to provide proper policing of rural areas because of cutbacks made by different levels of government, these cutbacks have left larger areas and less manpower, and I doubt that this issue will be addressed.  
In closing I''m saying that goverent has caused us a problem, so why not allow us to take training so that we can protect what is ours. If security personel are allowed to legally use physical force, and armoured car personel are allowed deadly force, why not us.  
 
Read the book Animal Farm many years ago, and at the very end was the statement that we are all equal, but some are more equal than others, wonder if this applies when looking at rural problems.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2016-05-29 07:12:16

Never use beware of dog sign can be used against you says your dog may be aggressive. Cameras good quality HD that record are the best way and place cameras where they can't be seen. Use a good quality decoy camera in the open. The would be intruders then hide or shield from the camera they see and get caught on camera they do not. They are quite pricy but go to security company for your equipment do not cheap out by purchasing on the Internet or at box store. Use an alarm system on doors and windows make sure they are locked and set alarm. I would recommend Allan Leigh security for rural over the other 2 in Westman.

Black Star's ideas are good, but they are costly and not everyone can afford to do this. New property owners, young persons (families) may not have the extra money needed to turn your property into Fort Knox. It is, in my mind, still a shame when we as law abiding citizens have to go way above and beyond the normal to ensure the safety and protection of our property. Don also says it too, criminals have more rights then property owners. How can we change the attitude of these thieves who don't seem to care about anyone or anything?

Black Star said "Never use beware of dog sign can be used against you says your dog may be aggressive. Cameras good quality HD that record are the best way and place cameras where they can't be seen. Use a good quality decoy camera in the open. The would be intruders then hide or shield from the camera they see and get caught on camera they do not. They are quite pricy but go to security company for your equipment do not cheap out by purchasing on the Internet or at box store. Use an alarm system on doors and windows make sure they are locked and set alarm. I would recommend Allan Leigh security for rural over the other 2 in Westman. "

Years ago I was told that if you don't have Beware of Dog signs to warn people there is an aggressive dog on the property, you could be held liable for attacks. I think that is absurd. If someone is trespassing in the backyard and I let the dog out the front door and she finds someone in the backyard, she will not ask to see the invitation. No one comes in the yard when the dog is outside. The size of the dog and her bark is signage enough. It should just be understood that if you trespass on someone's property, it might not end well for you.

Hackeda said "    1 chance said "If you have a dog, few years ago a RCMP told me to get a no trespassing sign then you have more liability protection against you " City cop told me that anyone on your property without your permission is trespassing. He never mentioned signage. Hmm. Isn't it just a given? "

rcmp is for out of town, acres of lans.  
Buy few no trespassing, and few behaware of dog, get bunch of signs and add a no welcome sign.

If they want it bad enough... they'll get it eventually when you make it easy for them. The key is to making it difficult without turning the farm into Fort Knox. Can they see anything from the road? How many approaches is there into your compound? What do you have, yard lights or motion lights? Would you consider a couple of "barking dogs"? Answering those four questions can reduce the theft quite a bit. When I grew up in a rural area, my folks always thought of those things. Rule of thumb: First, never let something you think has value sit out or can't be seen from the house. If that means putting up another building... so be it. And shut the doors when you walk away and locked them when you're not coming back. It's a hard habit to get into, but soooooo well worth it. Second, if you can get away from it, have only one main drive in towards the buildings. Weld-up some gates that lock or open only one way that strangers can't easily figure out (especially at night) or put a car or trailer across it so it can be moved when you need that approach the five or six times a year. With one entrance, you, the dogs, or an electric eye-beam can easily monitor the traffic coming or going. I had an Uncle who had an electric eye set three feet up and set off a chime in the kitchen once the beam was interrupted. That thing picked off everything, but the dog that was using that driveway. Next, light it all up. Won't stop the pros, but it gives the amateurs second thoughts. The idea is to let the "scouters" see that there hardly anything sitting out (because it's all inside) and whatever is still out is right by the house and not worth the risk. And lastly, yapping dogs. No explanation needed, but other than to say "it's your extra pair(s) of eyes". Cameras are great, but they only help after the fact.  
 
It's more your habit(s) that will keep the theft down. Put it away or watch it, that's all you can do.  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

That's awesome. I laughed so hard I almost pee'd  
 
Thanks

Seen the latest episode? Check out their compound. Machine gun turrets, armored patrols, and fenced up zombies in the cellar are a sure way to send those pesky thieves packing.

I have a sign at the end of my lane that says "we dont call 911" and has a gun pointing. Also have a Doberman. No one comes into my yard. Rural people are like sitting ducks. I cannot and will not wait at least half an hour for police to arrive. I will defend my family and property using WHATEVER it takes. If criminals knew full well their life was in danger we would not have this issue.

I recommend calling Westman Security and Automation. They can work with you to set you up with something you can afford. 204-717-5599 they are located in Brandon and they are by far the best.

You could get a personal protection or guardian breed of dog and have signs stating "Dog on the Premises". That doesn't mean that the dog is aggressive but just saying that there is a dog. Great Pyrenees or Dobermans are good choices for guardian/protection and there are other breeds as well.

Good security cameras usually come at a high price but they're worth it, they don't always stop the crime from taking place but at least you'll have a better chance of having evidence and catching them.  
 
http://www.summusinc.ca/ is a local company that I see in a lot of store windows around Brandon, I haven't used them myself as I bought my cameras online and installed them on my own but there name seems to pop up a lot.  
 
Sometimes just having signs up is enough to discourage most would be thieves, but nothing is ever 100% effective unfortunately.  
 
Lots of good ideas suggested in here though.

Unfortunately I've also had problems with theft in my rural location(twice now at our new place). Part of the reason we moved to the middle of nowhere was to avoid these problems, guess there is no running away.  
Although I haven't found any one magic solution to address the problem, a multi step approach has worked wonders for me.  
Signage right at the front of our lane way notifies anyone approaching that we have a monitored alarm(if cheap, just the sign provides a good bluff, but I'd feel stupid if they ever called my bluff). A monitored alarm with sensors for outside sheds helps deter would be theifs. park everything inside and lock the doors. We originally had our house secured and someone stole a heavy duty ladder that was in my shed.  
We also installed cameras so if it does happen again then we will have proof of who took what. Suspicions will only get you so far.  
I disagree with hiding the cameras, put them in plain view(and put a sign saying that the property has cameras). If the system is properly designed(have the cameras point to each other so they see each other), they will be caught on tape breaking the cameras and if the pictures are emailed or uploaded then taking the recording box won't remove all evidence. A good yard light can help deter theifs. I prefer the always on instead of motion activated. The ideal is to make you place so unappealing that they go somewhere else. There are lots of places locally providing these services so make sure to shop around (and test their support numbers). We ended up settling with Westman Security as they could provide the automation I was looking for in my system and support has been excellent.  
Granted even with all these safeguards someone could still break in but our alarm will notify us right away giving me that little bit of time to prepare for a defense to protect my family. I know I sleep better at night now and hope it never comes to that.

If you have trees or fence posts close to your lane. Look for anything out of the ordinary that may be used to mark you as a good target.