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"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Very well said!

Dang it! If only countries and nations could run on love and good intentions!

the middle class is suffering so much financially. not matter what election is happening special interest groups have their collective hands out wanting more money/services.  
 
the wealthy at least have more cash to play with but the middle class are running out!

I'm not old enough to be an ancient, but I'm old enough to have had the chance to know, and talk to people born in the late 1800's, as well as people born right up to present times. I've hard the chance to talk to people born in the early 1900's who "road the rails" in search of work when there were no jobs available anywhere in this country. I've had the chance to talk to people who lived on "relief" which was a feeble attempt by government to keep people from starving, or freezing to death in this country.  
Social assistance is something that has been needed and always will be needed in society, and the sad part is it will always be abused by some.  
We talk of taking from the wealthy, but do we, or government, ever give to the wealthy, we tax them at higher rates but we allow them tax breaks that only those with extra money can use.  
These taxes you talk of are controlled by the people we elect, and have you noticed how those in charge of the public purse give themselves and their employees pretty good wages and benefits as compared to any other working people, also maybe look at the pensions that those elected representatives are "entitled" to.  
I don't like paying people for doing nothing, but I also have a problem with people taking larger wages while having their work load reduced, sort of a six of one and half a dozen of the other idea.  
Final point, there are always going to be people that are unemployable because just because, and the reasons for this is varied and many, until you and I go out and hire these people then we have what we have, unless you have a better idea to present that will address the problem.

Some people feel entitled to be supported and shouldn't have to work, even though they are more than capable or working.

Let's remember, though, that it is often the wealthiest who pay the smallest proportion of their income in taxes. Some accountants and lawyers will find ways for the wealthiest to park their money elswhere so that they certainly do not pay their share. Some live in multi-million dollar homes and yet declare earnings of only a few thousand.

standard standard h8r said "Let's remember, though, that it is often the wealthiest who pay the smallest proportion of their income in taxes. Some accountants and lawyers will find ways for the wealthiest to park their money elswhere so that they certainly do not pay their share. Some live in multi-million dollar homes and yet declare earnings of only a few thousand. "

Would suggest that people that think what you just posted need to look into the details before themselves before consider your opinion as truth. I would suggest it is not!  
 
The only way anyone pays taxes is buy earning money. no money no taxes. We have a number of social programs to help people in need . Who pays the most in dollars to support these programs?  
 
If someone receives their income from one of these programs and adjusts their life to that income but do not work how does this help them if they are capable to do something to earn money.  
 
Would suggest that things like minimum wage also control who is hired for a job.  
If you have two people doing the same job for $11 a hour and one does half the work the government says the employer has to pay them the $11 vs $5.50 that their performance reflects. The choice is that they an keep the person or let them go. Then they have to go on programs that they do not have to do any work and the $11 a hour employee has deductions from there wage to pay for them.  
 
If their was not incentive for people that generate jobs to get ahead then their would be a lot less jobs for the employees. When a person puts their name on a loan or puts up their own cash an generated two or three more jobs for others is that not what people want? No entrepreneurs no taxes to pay for programs.

Nollie said ""You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." "

government takes from those who work hard and give to those who want thus killing the incentive of the ambitious.

Well said.  
 
Don. Tax breaks are always for a reason governments want or need. RRSP'S are a tax break all can use but the poor can not afford. TFSA are a new tool.  
 
Years back the Feds used tax breaks for the wealthy to build social housing.  
 
Taxes are a necessary evil. The correct tax level is a mystery. I say collect a buck spend a buck. The abuse of the social safety net is easily stoppable but us Canadians are to nice for that.  
 
Nellie that really was a good post. It is timely. Entitlements will be a big issue in the future. All our new friends coming in etc. We need to buck up as a society and be a hands up society not a hand out.  
I personally do not like seeing single parents never working a day in a year(s) getting tax refunds that would equal 2 of my paychecks. Seen it .  
 
They may deserve it but I think their monthly coin should be higher and zip for a tax refund since they never made a wage.

Oh Canada said "    standard standard h8r said "Let's remember, though, that it is often the wealthiest who pay the smallest proportion of their income in taxes. Some accountants and lawyers will find ways for the wealthiest to park their money elswhere so that they certainly do not pay their share. Some live in multi-million dollar homes and yet declare earnings of only a few thousand. " Would suggest that people that think what you just posted need to look into the details before themselves before consider your opinion as truth. I would suggest it is not!     The only way anyone pays taxes is buy earning money. no money no taxes. We have a number of social programs to help people in need . Who pays the most in dollars to support these programs?     If someone receives their income from one of these programs and adjusts their life to that income but do not work how does this help them if they are capable to do something to earn money.     Would suggest that things like minimum wage also control who is hired for a job.   If you have two people doing the same job for $11 a hour and one does half the work the government says the employer has to pay them the $11 vs $5.50 that their performance reflects. The choice is that they an keep the person or let them go. Then they have to go on programs that they do not have to do any work and the $11 a hour employee has deductions from there wage to pay for them.     If their was not incentive for people that generate jobs to get ahead then their would be a lot less jobs for the employees. When a person puts their name on a loan or puts up their own cash an generated two or three more jobs for others is that not what people want? No entrepreneurs no taxes to pay for programs. "

I'm guessing regardless of how hard someone was working most owners would opt to pay $5.50 so they could line their pockets more.

JD said "    Oh Canada said "    standard standard h8r said "Let's remember, though, that it is often the wealthiest who pay the smallest proportion of their income in taxes. Some accountants and lawyers will find ways for the wealthiest to park their money elswhere so that they certainly do not pay their share. Some live in multi-million dollar homes and yet declare earnings of only a few thousand. " Would suggest that people that think what you just posted need to look into the details before themselves before consider your opinion as truth. I would suggest it is not!     The only way anyone pays taxes is buy earning money. no money no taxes. We have a number of social programs to help people in need . Who pays the most in dollars to support these programs?     If someone receives their income from one of these programs and adjusts their life to that income but do not work how does this help them if they are capable to do something to earn money.     Would suggest that things like minimum wage also control who is hired for a job.   If you have two people doing the same job for $11 a hour and one does half the work the government says the employer has to pay them the $11 vs $5.50 that their performance reflects. The choice is that they an keep the person or let them go. Then they have to go on programs that they do not have to do any work and the $11 a hour employee has deductions from there wage to pay for them.     If their was not incentive for people that generate jobs to get ahead then their would be a lot less jobs for the employees. When a person puts their name on a loan or puts up their own cash an generated two or three more jobs for others is that not what people want? No entrepreneurs no taxes to pay for programs. " I'm guessing regardless of how hard someone was working most owners would opt to pay $5.50 so they could line their pockets more. "

In some cases some will most won't . The reason most wont is that if the person is worth $11 or more based on performance then if they are not paid what they are worth they can go to another employer that will pay them more for the same job. I find it interesting when a person is not willing to do a job unless they get x dollars a hour. If they don't work they get zero but are willing to hold out for a $20 a hour job. Maybe because we have or they have a safety net in government programs or a family member enabling them with the necessities (food , water Shelter) !  
 
Where some get lost is they work in places like the oil patch getting paid $25 and then when they loose their job due to a turn in the market. They think they are worth $25 in any job. Most jobs have a pay range and should get paid on what you contribute or make the company you work for .  
 
What employees do not see is the owner of a business that has put their signature on the line for all their personal asset with a "potential" to make money . Ask a employee to give you $500 with the potential to make $800 and a possibility of loosing it all and see what they say?

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.  
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.  
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.  
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.  
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."

crownyboy said "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.   You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.   You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.   You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.   You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." "

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln/prosperity.asp

Make America Great Again!

do not know all the wealthy people but some of them worked for their money so I am not so in favor to target them more with taxes because they have more money.  
I do know some people worked alot with long hours even at starting young age and do extra hours on weekend so why punish them.  
It is your choice if you want one job only or small shift or 8am to 5pm with free weekends, your choice how to spend money, your choice to have kids and the partner you choose and how big a house you want. The choice you do not have in control is where you are from meaning your parents.  
Do not expect to sit home or do less work than others and expect have more money than most.

This has to stop also.  
 
http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/canadians-pay-hefty-684b-bill-in-business-subsidies-over-20-years-study-shows

Basically, if the poor are starving, there will be revolts  
And we have a social responsibility to prevent starvation  
 
However, the wage earners of the country are getting tired of paying for the people that don't work...  
 
Either way, a revolution is coming...

Midway55 said "    crownyboy said "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.   You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.   You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.   You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.   You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." " http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln/prosperity.asp "

Then who said it? Certainly wouldn't be a democrat. They got other ideas about taxes.

Sorbet said "    Nollie said ""You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." " government takes from those who work hard and give to those who want thus killing the incentive of the ambitious. "

I farm here and had some work done by custom guys for a few years. This cost about $8000 a year and the service was getting terrible/unreliable.  
So I got mad and went and got the machines to do the work myself at a cost of 0000's for used equipment. That $8000 was totally tax deductible every year as an expense.  
Now I own the equipment it will take many years to get the money back as a deductible at tax time and chances are the equipment will be worn out and scrapped before I see that money back. in reality I will really only get money back for the repairs and fuel in the short term.  
There was other equipment I wanted but screw that I might just as well not bother and pay some else. At tax time I very soon found out why work to get ahead after paying thousands in tax for wanting to work and have ambition to get ahead my self.  
 
It's just a real shame I'm smart enough to work but not smart enough to screw the system and get paid to stay at home and sit on the couch!.