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will he be a `one term wonder`. Sick of hearing of all the money he has and is spending on other countries. How about giving us a break!

why would you have expected anything different?  
 
looks like a 4 year ego trip

we should all quit paying federal income tax .turdo has done nothing for Canadians except spend our money .

A carbon tax is just that, another useless tax under the guise of helping the environment. It is a complete joke! The amount of pollution put out by Canada compared to countries like China is miniscule. We could have zero carbon emissions and it wouldn't change what is going on in other countries. Bend over and take it again.....getting hard to get ahead. Next comes the hydro bill.....3.95%/year for the next 15 and that isn't enough......ahhhhhh

Wars, famine, human displacement, and species extinction on a scale we've never seen, not to mention economic collapse in most of the world, which will affect us here in a huge way.  
 
These are the impacts of unmitigated climate change. And you people are complaining that you have to do something to try to prevent it?  
 
I support carbon pricing. It will cost more money until the global economy shifts away from fossil fuels. If the economy doesn't shift away from fossil fuels, we're all screwed anyway, or our grandchildren are at least, and that's a much bigger problem than things costing more right now.  
 
Honestly people, the biggest threat facing humanity and you can't even read a book to get the bare minimum education about it? Watching youtube videos that politicize the issue is not educational, nor is it helpful. Pick up a book and learn a bit of the science before you spout off about the politics.

citizen E and acid basement like your thoughts harper was push push oil there is a wind turbine company in BC manufactures wind tubine he is selling more to other countries then canada is even puting up

Love him or hate him he will be around for a long time, the Tories will most likely run someone as stupid as harper again and he will win by default again.

The carbon tax is going to translate into a lot of money the government collects. Let's forget about the potential for consumers reducing their personal carbon footprint as a result of the tax for a moment. My question is, is what specific plans for the use of this tax money to further reduce Canada's carbon footprint does the Liberal government have, or is this tax money going to be used in a manner that does little or nothing to lessen the uphill battle we face in controlling carbon emissions?  
 
Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't heard anything that spells out clearly where this money will be used.

A number of posts had to be removed. Please keep it rational and respectful when making a point on any side of this debate, i.e. "debate the point, not the person." If this thread degenerates further into a partisan personal flame war it will be closed. thank you

I have been following things happening in Ontario right now. I saw the news footage of Trudeau announcing the climate change plans etc and the carbon tax and so on. He also said that we cant undo what''s been done and things that have happened over the last 10 years that have maybe made the situation worse. Yet is approving a major pipeline that will contribute to climate change bigger than anything else. So stating a tax and climate plan to combat a problem that''s recognized. Then approving a massive project to contribute to the very thing that''s trying to be dealt with? Doesn''t even make sense. Like Wynne in Ontario. Taxing a tax? I know a couple in Ontario. 2 month hydro bill 590$. And they are very aware of lights etc etc. They have a place in Florida for the winter. 2 months with the air conditioning cranked every day. Hydro bill 45$. Figure that out. Someone is just stuffing their pockets. That situation there is going to break people while higher ups fill their pockets more. It''s blatant robbery. Something needs to be done about the climate change situation but I'm not sure what's being done is the best way. More sustainable energy incentives maybe? Those sources more affordable and attainable for people?  
 
Edited by M&J, 2016-10-04 15:57:38

Trudeau shouldn't have come out an declared what was going to happen. That showed zero regard for premiers across Canada. He should have worked WITH the provinces to work it out. He needs the extra tax to cover his minister's expenses and maids. He should be embarrassed by his actions and he should apologize to us all.  
 
To the OP, yes, Trudeau and his Liberal government are running a dictatorship. Canada doesn't need a cutesy PR guy running the country. We need a leader.

What kind of foolishness would have even provoked this question?  
 
I'd imagine that if you ever spoke to someone that lived under a dictatorship they'd say that Canada is night and day different.  
 
Give your head a shake mate.  
 
Pierre did little harm - and a lot of good - during his time. We don't have "homegrown terrorism" because of him.  
 
Had the NEP gone through Alberta wouldn't be crippled right now - of course Alberta, under Peter Lougheed, fought the NEP so... karma?  
 
So slagging our current PM for being like his father is sort of weak. By "sort of" I mean really, amazingly, stupefyingly weak.  
 
Pierre Jr is doing a fine job thus far. Keep in mind that he's not been in office a full year. But in that time he has:  
a) started repairing the Harper damage on the international front  
b) started Canada down the road to global stewardship of the environment  
c) distanced us from the expensive and counter-productive "war-on-drugs"  
 
Regarding the proposed carbon tax - good!  
 
If it stops my neighbour from "warming up" their car for 45 minutes every morning four months a year - good!  
 
If it makes companies consider shipping over down-line waste - good!  
 
If it means that you walk three blocks and back for your Doritos rather than drive - good!  
 
I'm not even a bloody Liberal and here I am defending this guy. Defending him from people who have literally called him shit (turdo?)  
 
So basically quit whining because your guy lost. Get over it and enjoy the fruits of democracy.

"Trudeau shouldn't have come out an declared what was going to happen. That showed zero regard for premiers across Canada."  
 
Seriously? Given how Harper handled things as far as dictums? Really?  
 
"He should have worked WITH the provinces to work it out. He needs the extra tax to cover his minister's expenses and maids. He should be embarrassed by his actions and he should apologize to us all."  
 
 
This is, I'm afraid, lunacy.  
 
 
You're suggesting that Trudeau is implementing a tax in order to cover his maids - actually nannies - and the costs of his ministers' moving? Are you nuts?  
 
No fewer than three senators appointed by Harper got busted for wrongly accounting for spending. This has cost the taxpayers how many hundreds of thousands of dollars?  
 
"To the OP, yes, Trudeau and his Liberal government are running a dictatorship. Canada doesn't need a cutesy PR guy running the country. We need a leader."  
 
First off I DARE you to tell anyone that lived under a dictatorship that Canada is one.  
 
As to the "cutesy PR guy" versus a "real leader" what do you propose?  
 
What would a real leader do?  
 
You, clearly, have a pretty good grasp on things.  
 
What would a "real leader" do?

I think I just heard a mic drop. That was beautiful, kudos for that argument.

Before you start complaining about what our prime minister is doing.. " wrong" look at what he has done so far. He is not perfect, no politician ever is completely. He has how ever kept a few promises, this tax on carbon being one of them,  
 
Marijuana legalization is moving forward.. that means more revenue for Canada. " hes spending to much money" you need to spend money to make money... yes we are going to run a deficit.. Harper ran a deficit his first years in office as well.  
 
He's building a pipe line from Alta that will help grow the economy and employ Canadians  
 
He has fixed student loans for Canadians that are putting them selves through school.  
 
The Provinces have been allowed a period of time to come up with their own plan before the Government applies one to them so you cannot say the Provinces dont have a choice or voice.  
 
Instead of reading a headline and forming an opinion read an article.. and then another.. that goes for you and everyone else that posts political threads with out giving it a second thought.

So you think that his father didn't do harm to Canada.  
There was a lot of talk about the west separating, then Quebec.  
He couldn''t keep his own house in order or Canada''s  
 
Edited by sprinter, 2016-10-04 19:45:12

So , when your natural gas bill rises by 20%, electricity by 10%, gas by 5% you will be happy.  
When fertilizer rises by 20% because of natural gas price increase, diesel by 5% the cost of crop production just rose .  
What about the families that right now are struggling.  
what about first nations people who can't afford the necessities.  
But i have a question that no one has answered.  
Is the so called tax going to actually be used to correct pollution and its effects or go into general funds to be gobbled up for government schemes.

CitizenE said ""Trudeau shouldn't have come out an declared what was going to happen. That showed zero regard for premiers across Canada."     Seriously? Given how Harper handled things as far as dictums? Really?     "He should have worked WITH the provinces to work it out. He needs the extra tax to cover his minister's expenses and maids. He should be embarrassed by his actions and he should apologize to us all."       This is, I'm afraid, lunacy.       You're suggesting that Trudeau is implementing a tax in order to cover his maids - actually nannies - and the costs of his ministers' moving? Are you nuts?     No fewer than three senators appointed by Harper got busted for wrongly accounting for spending. This has cost the taxpayers how many hundreds of thousands of dollars?     "To the OP, yes, Trudeau and his Liberal government are running a dictatorship. Canada doesn't need a cutesy PR guy running the country. We need a leader."     First off I DARE you to tell anyone that lived under a dictatorship that Canada is one.     As to the "cutesy PR guy" versus a "real leader" what do you propose?     What would a real leader do?     You, clearly, have a pretty good grasp on things.     What would a "real leader" do? "

Would work WITH his provinces on issues and NOT dictate to them just how things are going to be AFTER stating it would be a collective effort. That IS lunacy.  
 
By stating my opinions about Trudeau doesn't mean I support Harper so don't assume.  
 
I don't need to be DARED about anything, particularly dictatorship and who, what, where they are, pretty boy or not.  
 
Apparently, you are simply nuts if you can't read sarcasm. Clearly, YOU have a good grasp on things. We all deserve maids and endless pits of expense accounts from taxpayer wallet.  
 
Thanks for playing.

All we have is a majority government that will do as all majority governments do, and that is push their adgenda, I think that some of us knew that they has a green plank in their platform and we are going to see it. We won''t just end up paying a carbon tax but because energy is a part of just about everything, we will see an increase cost of nearly everything, an increase in the cost of products will mean also a greater amount collected in GST.  
Like others have questioned, where is the money going to go, and is it going to reduce our carbon footprint.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2016-10-04 21:18:31

Maybe he can use some of the extra money to pay down his massive budget deficit

That pipeline = terrible idea.

Coming on this board and complaining about the state of our government and the decisions that are made is all but pointless. It will change nothing. If you are unhappy with decisions that are made, you need to contact your local MP and make your grievances heard. Tell your member that as a Canadian citizen you are not happy (or happy) about a particular matter. Coming on here and moaning about it only creates the mindless drivel that seems to permeate from these threads.  
 
You are Canadian citizens and you have a voice. Use it!  
I suspect that most of you will just continue with the whining and bellyaching that flows incessantly.  
 
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I, for one, support a carbon tax in some sort. It's about time we started paying the true cost of things and weren't so damned convenienced all the time...God knows the rest of the world hasn't been. My concern sits squarely on how the money will be spent and if it will be used to offset our footprint.  
 
And maybe it won't make a difference but it is surely better to try and fail then to sit by and do nothing.  
 
Marpet

What I cannot figure out is where this carbon tax is going to go. Big corporations will just pass on any increases to the end user. Groceries will go up, fuel will go up, prices will go up but the person at the end is the one paying. Corporations will still make their billion dollar profits. I tried googling where the tax money will go but don't really have a firm answer. Is it going to go to increased rebates to make green cars more affordable? Is it going to push auto makers to create more fuel efficient vehicles? Will it bring more wind turbines? These big leaders don't care if prices go up, they have the money to cover the costs with little dent in their pockets. How many families will this affect? Those that spew the Green Energy story, do you actually know how these green products are made? Do you know the environmental impact on other countries producing these products?

With the news of the Carbon tax being implemented (which I support in principle), I would like to ask where the money will go once it is collected. Will it be used as incentives for green technology or can we expect general mismanagement that seems to always follow the implementation of new taxes? I await your response.  
 
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Marpet

Yes.  
 
Although the transition from free country, from free society, to total dictatorship isn't quite complete yet, given the way things are going in this country, it soon will be. One of the first steps toward dictatorship or communist regime as some believe we've become or, at least, are becoming, was the omission of Property Rights from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The second step took place at the same time, when a real guarantee of Freedom of Speech was also left out of our constitution. The Charter should read something like "every citizen of Canada has the right to freedom of speech and no government shall make any attempt to limit or restrict freedom of speech and expression". Now don't go telling me that there are some things we shouldn't be allowed to say. Of course you're not allowed to incite others to riot, to commit murder or commit other violent crimes and we have libel laws to prevent people from spreading malicious lies about others in public. What we don't need are restrictions on free speech that prevent people from speaking the truth just because there is a possibility that some group or individual may be offended by the truth, or in many cases, may not want the truth to come out because the truth will hamper the agenda of some activist group.  
 
Instead of having a constitution that protects property rights and clearly protects freedom of speech, we ended up with a charter that does nothing to protect private and personal property. It also does very little to protect freedom of speech, in fact, the charter doesn't even directly mention freedom of speech. Because of this fact, so called "hate speech laws" were able to be passed that not only restrict the rights of Canadians to speak freely, these laws actually make it much easier for those among us who want to use our laws to take all of our freedom away to actually be able to do it. The adherents to the brain numbing doctrine of Political Correctness immediately come to mind. The predominantly left wing activist groups and certain "front groups" are the ones who are constantly trying to find new ways to force their agenda down the throats of all Canadians and these so called "hate speech laws", which are nothing more than restrictions on free speech, are just the tools that they needed. So, if you ask me, Canada took a major step toward totalitarian dictatorship in the early eighties, with the introduction of the Charter and the subsequent passing of restrictions on free speech.  
 
Don't expect Justin Trudeau to be a one term wonder. He and the Liberals are hell bent on changing the way we elect governments in this country. No doubt their main reason for changing the electoral system is to better their chances of staying in power for decades to come. We, as Canadians, must demand a national referendum be held for such an important change to the way governments are elected in our country. It is our right to have a say. As for Justin Trudeau, he won't be prime minister for ever, but there are suggestions that his brother would like to have the keys to 24 Sussex Drive, so we could see another Trudeau as prime minister in the not too distant future.  
 
As for Climate Change, don't even get me started on anthropogenic climate change, the biggest hoax of the millennium and don't bother to try to tell me otherwise. You'll never convince me of anything and you'll never force me to back down. Besides, you guys on the left have pretty much got what you wanted, even though that won't be enough for you. You'll just keep coming back demanding more and more like you always do, saying things like "it's a step in the right direction but it didn't go far enough". Sound familiar? It should. It's one of your favorite lines. Climate Change is the angle that the left has been using for the past three decades and will continue to use to bring us into their socialist/communist utopia, hell would be a better description, of a United Nations run one world government. Speaking of the UN, I don't give a damn what the UN thinks of us. The UN is made up of totalitarian regimes that slaughter democracy protesters in the streets, arguably insane power hungry dictators who not only execute anyone who they believe is against them but also have the entire family of perceived transgressors imprisoned indefinitely and/or executed. It's also made up of religious theocracies where women have no rights whatsoever and can even be legally murdered by a male family member. So why should I care what they think of me? Why should we care what those embarrassments to humanity think of Canada? Apparently, some of you on the left do care and that makes me wonder if maybe you actually condone what they do. Some of those murderous tyrants are very good communists and socialists, after all. LOL!  
 
I also don't care what the European Union politicians think of Canada either. Most of them are in the process of turning, or have already turned, their countries into essentially bankrupt, socialist "welfare state" basket cases, largely by means of their way too liberal immigration and refugee policies. No wonder Britain voted to get free of the EU!  
 
The same will happen here if we are not careful. The Liberals and future Liberal-NDP-Green coalition governments, made possible by Trudeau's proposed electoral reform, will no doubt turn Canada into the same kind of bankrupt, politically correct socialist basket case as many countries in the EU have become, thanks to similar political ideology. PM Trudeau, while in Europe not too long ago, as much as told the refugee claimants that, if they couldn't get into Europe they could come to Canada. Of course, part of the reason for telling them that has to be the hope that, if they do come and they will, they will vote for the party that flung the gates open, promised them all sorts of goodies and told them that, as soon as they are warm and comfy, they can bring in their extended families who will then be entitled to all of the same goodies. So, when I say that I wouldn't expect Trudeau to be a one term wonder, you can see why I might think that he won't be. As for us becoming a dictatorship of some type, we are well on our way and in my opinion, it started while his father was prime minister, when Property Rights and meaningful protection of Freedom of Speech were left out of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

It is nice to see a reasoned response... Maybe our education system is doing a bit better job than what we currently see in the *excited states *!

Thank goodness there are smart people like you out there!  
 
Here is a good article  
 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/opinions/sutter-canada-carbon-tax/index.html

how many Liberal or NDP supporters called Harper a dictator, and now the shoes on the other foot. And this is NOT a dictatorship, not even close.  
 
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dictator?s=:t  
 
Edited by Trevor B, 2016-10-05 16:39:17

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/08/020808075457.htm  
 
Being able to prove or disprove some thing are very difficult when it comes to history or events, we all know that if a volcano erupts it will affect the weather for an extended amount of time, the link given allows a brief glimpse of maybe how we do affect climate because what the link refers to is an ongoing occurance in today's world.