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So by your line of thought the only choice is to burn down the generators and live in a cave?  
 
No middle ground?  
 
The 747 carries approximately 422,000 pounds of fuel. This allows the plane to travel extremely long routes without needing to stop to refuel. The plane houses as many as 568 people each flight. Broken down, the 747 uses approximately 0.01 gallons of fuel, per person, per mile. Traveling at a pace of nearly 550 miles per hour, the 747 is a fuel-efficient plane. This often leads to lower airfares when traveling long distances on a plane such as the Boeing 747.  
 
Using your example  
 
200 kms to Winnipeg =: 124 miles  
average fuel economy of a 2008 car =: 24 mpg  
Fuel used to drive by yourself to Winnipeg =: 4.7 gallons  
It would be more efficient to take the plane.  
 
 
Marpet  
 
Edited by Marpet, 2016-10-09 22:01:55

Great sheep response.  
 
The biggest reduction to smog in cities is due to legislation for fuel efficient vehicles, "clean coal" and HE aplliences, not carbon tax.  
 
Why would YOU want to punish a country that is basically carbon neutral with a tax on everything you do?  
Majority of Canadians already try and reduce their "carbon footprint" by buying / using HE appliances, lights, vehicles ext. because they cost less to use. We are trying to bring down our costs. Taxing us for daily life doesn't work, and is a scam to the population.  
 
CARBON TAX IS A SCAM, it has NOT, and will NOT reduce GHG. Fact.  
Legislating HE homes, vehicles, helping people to make their homes HE via solar panels, geothermal ext ext will help reduce our GHG....NOT TAX.  
 
Edited by Nemesisngr, 2016-10-09 22:06:32

Nemesisngr said "Baaaaa, baaaaa "

 
 
Marpet

Nemesisngr said "Great sheep response.     The biggest reduction to smog in cities is due to legislation for fuel efficient vehicles, "clean coal" and HE aplliences, not carbon tax.     Why would YOU want to punish a country that is basically carbon neutral with a tax on everything you do?   Majority of Canadians already try and reduce their "carbon footprint" by buying / using HE appliances, lights, vehicles ext. because they cost less to use. We are trying to bring down our costs. Taxing us for daily life doesn't work, and is a scam to the population.     CARBON TAX IS A SCAM, it has NOT, and will NOT reduce GHG. Fact.   Legislating HE homes, vehicles, helping people to make their homes HE via solar panels, geothermal ext ext will help reduce our GHG....NOT TAX.     Edited by Nemesisngr, 2016-10-09 22:06:32"

BC has seen a greater reduction of GHG's than the rest of Canada during the same time frame. Attributing it to the Carbon tax seems a reasonable deduction unless you have another point of view or insight that the researchers missed.  
 
...sheep corral aside.  
 
Marpet

Hayfield said "The only way to lower carbon use is to change our lifestyle. Who is going to sell their car or not take a vacation to Mexico. The poor can't afford that already and the rich will fly their jets regardless. A 747 burns 11 tonnes of fuel an hour so saving 2 gallons of gas going to Winnipeg it would take 1100 trips to offset one trip of vacationers. A carbon tax will effect the poor the most and the rich will still burn fuel like there is no tomorrow. Just raise the gst Trudeau ,then everyone will pay their share. We know this tax is only to pay for your free spending ,not going to change the environment. "

...your okay with raising the tax on everything the low income earner would buy but not a tax that would only be placed on fuel? Wouldn't a fuel tax cause the rich to pay even more than the poor since they undoubtedly have a larger footprint?  
 
Am I missing something?  
 
Marpet

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-insidious-truth-about-bcs-carbon-tax-it-works/article19512237/?service=mobile  
 
Marpet

BC HAS NOT reduced their GHG output. That's a fact.  
It's now at the same level since introduction of Carbon Tax.

Source please.  
 
Marpet

Numbers don't lie, but if the number of people in a province rises a certain percent, but the amount per person declines a certain per cent, both of you would be correct.  
I believe that we do have to do something, but what works well in one province may not work well in another province, things that could come into play is the density of population in certain regions of the province, as well as the demographics of the population.  
I am not one who believes that this tax would take more out of the rich. There are many small communities around Brandon who have grown because people looked outside of Brandon for cheaper housing so that their budgets would work, factoring in things like fuel car payments and the like,  
When I built my house way back in the 1980's I built a house that would save energy and my choice of heating was a green choice, but there was no incentive to do so at the time.

nemesinger is right, bc's carbon output has returned back to where it was. Another interesting thing is that bc's second biggest export is coal, sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Plants need carbon dioxide to grow, we need more co'2 not less. Manmade co'2 is a very small percentage. After all the 1000's of years of climate change it's naive to think that human's are the major source of climate change.

British Columbia Greenhouse Gas Inventory  
 
In 2014, British Columbia’s greenhouse gas emissions were 62.7 million carbon dioxide equivalent tonnes (Mt CO2e), including 1.8 Mt CO2e in offsets from forest management projects. Greenhouse gas emissions are down 5.5% from 66.0 Mt CO2e in 2007, our baseline year.  
 
British Columbia’s greenhouse gas inventory is the province’s assessment of GHG sources and sinks in British Columbia. The inventory tables cover all greenhouse gas emissions i:ncluded in the province’s greenhouse gas targets. The tables also i:nclude emissions or removals from land use change and forest management that are not i:ncluded in the province’s greenhouse gas targets, but are reported for information.  
 
The Climate Action Secretariat prepares British Columbia’s greenhouse gas inventory and publishes the inventory tables each year, based on a two year delay due to the time required to assemble the inventory. The 2014 provincial inventory (XLS) was published in 2016.  
 
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/climate-change/reports-data/provincial-ghg-inventory  
 
Population increased from 4.1 million in 2006 to 4.6 million in 2014.  
 
...and yet emissions are down. Hmmm.  
 
Marpet

Thanks for the numbers.