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Weizen said "http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/mountie-who-witnessed-bus-beheading-dies-by-suicide-1.1918550 "

Another victim of Li

Kitty Price said "So maybe you & or your family members should board a Grey Hound Bus with this animal in the back of the bus. & as your nicely settling in for a long ride you have a knife at your throat and you wonder WHY...All you people who are sticking up for this monster have to put yourself in the shoes of those who lost someone DEAR to them, and of the passengers who did not expect to have to witness this on their trip.. This is something that no one can ever forget.. Many of those passengers perhaps will never be able to have the freedom to take a bus ride again..Why are you protecting this criminal, Why are we so blind to forget the many victims here & only think of the bad guy... Its takes only a split second for anyone to say ( Oh I feel good today ,, maybe I don't need my meds ) I hope each & everyone of you who are supporting this horrible creature will be on the next bus, or park bench, or just walking down the street, when you run in to him... Will you feel sorry for him then ????? "

you would see I think this was a horrid, terrible crime and how I felt for the family.  
 
You would see if he had been charged with murder he would be out by now with no meds, therapy or probation.  
 
Perhaps if you read my posts you would see I am trying to educate more than defend.  
 
You would see, I have quoted sources...no where did I say I was happy Li was let out. I am defending the mental health system as one with an illness.

JR said "You say in one sentence that Baker/Li has a history of having killed a mutilated a human. Yes. THAT is what will keep him on his meds. He remembers what he did. He knows that it is the medication he takes that prevents him from becoming like that again. He was normal for his whole life until he became mentally ill. He is once again normal as his medication resolves his disease. If he was someone who was taking meds to resolve a depression without history of suicide attempts, I could see him thinking that he's better and going off his meds. I know. I've been there and done that. But Baker/Li is different. He's been to the dark side, done the worst that a human being can do and has come back with full recollection. Your analysis of my comparison example is flawed in that Baker/Li is no longer mentally unhealthy. He is able to live a normal life now.  
 
Here's another comparison for you... a person who has diabetes almost dies due to the disease. They begin a regimen of medications that gets the condition under control. They now can live a normal life with the exception of taking medication. They know that they will die without the meds, but they feel so normal. Do you think such a person would stop taking their meds? I highly doubt it.  
 
And yes, mental illness of any type is a disease. It qualifies just as much as diabetes, asthma, or cancer. It is also controllable and even curable with time, care and medications, just like any other illness. Once people begin to realize this, maybe we won't have people so quick to condemn a normal man for actions he had no control over.  
 
I said it before and I'll say it again... the man that committed the atrocities on that night no longer exists. In his place is the quiet, intelligent, hard working individual who inhabited that body before his disease took hold. I'm sorry that you can't understand that."  
 
I don't misunderstand mental illness. In fact I am all in favour of more public education and acceptance of people who suffer with mental illness. I've struggled myself and often coped in very unhealthy ways. I've been in relationships with partners who struggled and were medicated for their illness. I'm empathetic, tolerant, and knowledgeable on different types of mental illness.  
 
Most people who struggle in their minds can live among the public, unmonitored, and be safe, contributing members of society. There are exceptions to this as there are exceptions to everything in life.  
 
I'm not opposed to Mr. Baker/Li living in the monitored group home that he currently lives in. I understand that he is of a different mental state when medicated and I would be ok with having someone dispense his meds daily. He would be free to obtain employment, go out and about, and live his life. He would also be monitored and be required to take his meds by someone who is accountable to give them to him. I'm not ok with relying on himself to take his meds. How many of us have missed a day or two when given a pres:cription. How long do his meds last when a dose is missed? Does a missed dose or two alter his mental state enough to miss a third or fourth dose in a row?  
 
Also, did the family of Tim McLean get a say in this review? I know the decision was based on a law passed in 1999 and that the 3 person review panel had to follow the law. "According to a 1999 ruling by the Supreme Court of Canada, a review board must order an absolute discharge if a person doesn't pose a significant threat to public safety." This, to me, means that they can't impose requirements such as monitoring if they found Mr. Baker/Li to not be a threat: even if they wanted to impose monitoring, they can't lawfully require it, as he was deemed safe "while he takes his meds". Their hands are tied and that's unfortunate. I feel that more weight should be put on the statement of the victim's family and the mental state that they suffer through having to relive that day every time a hearing comes up.  
 
I pray that this doesn't turn into a case of "I told you so"! I honestly hope that he never has another episode like he did that tragic day.

Brenda said "    Kitty Price said "So maybe you & or your family members should board a Grey Hound Bus with this animal in the back of the bus. & as your nicely settling in for a long ride you have a knife at your throat and you wonder WHY...All you people who are sticking up for this monster have to put yourself in the shoes of those who lost someone DEAR to them, and of the passengers who did not expect to have to witness this on their trip.. This is something that no one can ever forget.. Many of those passengers perhaps will never be able to have the freedom to take a bus ride again..Why are you protecting this criminal, Why are we so blind to forget the many victims here & only think of the bad guy... Its takes only a split second for anyone to say ( Oh I feel good today ,, maybe I don't need my meds ) I hope each & everyone of you who are supporting this horrible creature will be on the next bus, or park bench, or just walking down the street, when you run in to him... Will you feel sorry for him then ????? " you would see I think this was a horrid, terrible crime and how I felt for the family.     You would see if he had been charged with murder he would be out by now with no meds, therapy or probation.     Perhaps if you read my posts you would see I am trying to educate more than defend.     You would see, I have quoted sources...no where did I say I was happy Li was let out. I am defending the mental health system as one with an illness. "

you keep saying that if this lunatic had been charged with murder that he would be out by now. Have you not ever seen where killers are sentenced to life "with no chance of parole" don't get out in 8 years. Vince Li as far as I am concerned is right up there with Charles Manson and he isn't out after 40 years.  
 
As I said before he will never have a purpose in life...who would want to work or live along side of him. He should have been put in prison where he would have to live along side other murderers.

I wonder how long he'll be on social assistance as I'm sure it will take some time for this guy to find a job. He is capable of working, right or will he be sitting around sucking off the Government's teet for the rest of his life? I'm going to assume the Gov. is paying for his medication, food and shelter for the time being or will he be going on disability now too?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/sec.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/how-the-mental-health-system-failed-vince-li/article20441432/%3Fservice%3Damp?client=safari  
 
This article stats that Vince Li was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005 and prescribed meds he refused to take.  
schizophrenia.com states that 40% of schizophrenics do not comply with their treatment plan. So if "Will Baker" is one of those 40% who is going to take responsibility if he murders another person?  
I also feel like this may be setting a precedence in our legal system. If a person with schizophrenia goes off their meds and murders or harms someone, they can not be held responsible.

sunzu said "I wonder how long he'll be on social assistance as I'm sure it will take some time for this guy to find a job. He is capable of working, right or will he be sitting around sucking off the Government's teet for the rest of his life? I'm going to assume the Gov. is paying for his medication, food and shelter for the time being or will he be going on disability now too? "

The people of Manitoba are on the hook for him now for the rest of his life. We are now apparently paying for him to go to school too.  
 
Sick.

foxtrot11 said "    sunzu said "I wonder how long he'll be on social assistance as I'm sure it will take some time for this guy to find a job. He is capable of working, right or will he be sitting around sucking off the Government's teet for the rest of his life? I'm going to assume the Gov. is paying for his medication, food and shelter for the time being or will he be going on disability now too? " The people of Manitoba are on the hook for him now for the rest of his life. We are now apparently paying for him to go to school too.     Sick. "

You do realize the average cost is 117,000 a year to keep him in prison.he wasn't in jail of course but the majority think that's where he belongs, and where many mentally ill end up going.

foxtrot11 said "    sunzu said "I wonder how long he'll be on social assistance as I'm sure it will take some time for this guy to find a job. He is capable of working, right or will he be sitting around sucking off the Government's teet for the rest of his life? I'm going to assume the Gov. is paying for his medication, food and shelter for the time being or will he be going on disability now too? " The people of Manitoba are on the hook for him now for the rest of his life. We are now apparently paying for him to go to school too.     Sick. "

And if he was in prison, as so many here think is appropriate, exactly who do you think will be paying for his care, food and meds?  
 
Here's a great quote from an article I'll link at the end of this post...  
 
[i]"Getting people with certain mental health conditions — schizophrenia among them — to religiously take their medication can be a problem. But Simpson says people who have committed a serious crime while in the grips of psychosis are often so horrified by their actions that they are highly motivated to follow a mandated medical regimen.  
 
"The fact that they've harmed somebody seriously or killed somebody and caused other people grave suffering is a thing they can feel immensely bad about and is then a motivator for changing one's life. And those are issues we work on with people very much.""[/i]  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/offenders-deemed-not-criminally-responsible-unlikely-to-reoffend-experts-1.2979284

that when he was locked up we as taxpayers were on the hook along with every other criminal. I was just pointing out that as taxpayers we'll be on the hook for Mr. Baker for a very very long time. Oh and by the way we also paid for his legal name change as well. What was that all about? In his mind it was Vince Li that commited these atrocities not Will Baker? Looks like he's already in denial about what he did and yes before all the mental health advocates get on here and preach about how he has an illness and start comparing it to diabetes ( which by the way is ludicrous) etc. I know I get it. I also know that we as a society have to deal with the decision that was made on Friday but we don't have to be happy about it and we are all entitled to our opinions. Mental Illness is real however it shouldn't be used as an excuse to get away with murder etc. The law needs to be looked at and changed but it won't as there are too many bleeding hearts in this country. I wonder how long it will be before the guy in Quebec that massacred all those people claims the devil made him do it?

Blade said "    Brenda said "    Kitty Price said "So maybe you & or your family members should board a Grey Hound Bus with this animal in the back of the bus. & as your nicely settling in for a long ride you have a knife at your throat and you wonder WHY...All you people who are sticking up for this monster have to put yourself in the shoes of those who lost someone DEAR to them, and of the passengers who did not expect to have to witness this on their trip.. This is something that no one can ever forget.. Many of those passengers perhaps will never be able to have the freedom to take a bus ride again..Why are you protecting this criminal, Why are we so blind to forget the many victims here & only think of the bad guy... Its takes only a split second for anyone to say ( Oh I feel good today ,, maybe I don't need my meds ) I hope each & everyone of you who are supporting this horrible creature will be on the next bus, or park bench, or just walking down the street, when you run in to him... Will you feel sorry for him then ????? " you would see I think this was a horrid, terrible crime and how I felt for the family.     You would see if he had been charged with murder he would be out by now with no meds, therapy or probation.     Perhaps if you read my posts you would see I am trying to educate more than defend.     You would see, I have quoted sources...no where did I say I was happy Li was let out. I am defending the mental health system as one with an illness. " you keep saying that if this lunatic had been charged with murder that he would be out by now. Have you not ever seen where killers are sentenced to life "with no chance of parole" don't get out in 8 years. Vince Li as far as I am concerned is right up there with Charles Manson and he isn't out after 40 years.     As I said before he will never have a purpose in life...who would want to work or live along side of him. He should have been put in prison where he would have to live along side other murderers. "

he would never have been charged with life. Second degree at the most, which is why he would be out around the eight year period.  
 
(this from a legal friend of mine)  
 
interesting interview:  
 
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/greyhound-bus-beheader-vince-li-i-dont-hear-voices  
 
 
 
a question I have - If he lives in an apartment, why have his neighbors not spoken up, about how scared they are?  
 
Edited by Brenda, 2017-02-12 17:54:29

BUT...  
 
I am a sufferer of mental health issues... and... it is a well known fact that those who suffer from mental illnesses often stop taking medications because they are feeling normal and feel that they are safe to discontinue medication.  
 
It's not intentional... it's very difficult to remain taking medication for something you can't physically feel... totally different than taking medication for a physical ailment that you can feel!  
 
I sincerely hope this doesn't happen in this case!

Tracelee said "BUT...     I am a sufferer of mental health issues... and... it is a well known fact that those who suffer from mental illnesses often stop taking medications because they are feeling normal and feel that they are safe to discontinue medication.     It's not intentional... it's very difficult to remain taking medication for something you can't physically feel... totally different than taking medication for a physical ailment that you can feel!     I sincerely hope this doesn't happen in this case! "

for your honesty! This is what scares people the most I think!

Kitty Price said "So maybe you & or your family members should board a Grey Hound Bus with this animal in the back of the bus. & as your nicely settling in for a long ride you have a knife at your throat and you wonder WHY...All you people who are sticking up for this monster have to put yourself in the shoes of those who lost someone DEAR to them, and of the passengers who did not expect to have to witness this on their trip.. This is something that no one can ever forget.. Many of those passengers perhaps will never be able to have the freedom to take a bus ride again..Why are you protecting this criminal, Why are we so blind to forget the many victims here & only think of the bad guy... Its takes only a split second for anyone to say ( Oh I feel good today ,, maybe I don't need my meds ) I hope each & everyone of you who are supporting this horrible creature will be on the next bus, or park bench, or just walking down the street, when you run in to him... Will you feel sorry for him then ????? "

first of all, I never ever said my stance either way on Li's being free.  
 
Most of my posts have either been links to stories or about mental health. It irritates the hell out of me that people do not understand or even want to understand mental health.  
 
This is far off topic, but perhaps you will see where I am coming from in defending the NCR and mental health.  
 
I worked 23 years for the same company and all of a sudden depression hit me. Severe depression. My diagnosis is "treatment resistant depression", meaning that it is very hard to treat and find the right medication. When I did get better I went back to work only to be let go after 23 years of great service, because HR could not understand that it was not like a broken arm and I would know when I would be healed.  
 
Since that time, I have tried 9 different medications. You get all hyped up that this will be the one to work, you start taking it, of course antidepressants will not work for 3 - 6 weeks, so you wait..no it did not work, so you have to wean off that medication for a couple of weeks before you can try another one. So think of that in years, just trying to find one that works if I did that nine times.  
 
I get put into CAP three times as some of those medications will actually make you worse and trigger horrible side effects and hallucinations and the withdrawl is horrible.  
 
I am released from CAP, still not on the right medication, even after taking ECT treatments. I cannot even take my garbage outside. I am isolated, withdrawn, terrible thoughts and sit all day in one chair, if I can get out of bed. Thank God, I have a terrific psychiatrist, who thinks beyond all the new medications and decides to put me on a very old one from the 50's. This is very rarely prescribed because it interacts with many foods that contain tyramine. Cheese, chocolate, hot dogs etc. But I am willing to try anything. It has worked well, I have a lot more good days than bad days now, but it still sneaks up on me.  
 
So, for four years I have fought and struggled. Who is going to hire me? I was an excellent employee, but my illness has disrupted my sleep. On average I get three hours a night. By God, all I want is my life back, a job and to happy and smile, the way I used to. I also need to add the havoc it can play on your whole family dynamics. It is not only you suffering, it is your family too.  
 
I had an excellent childhood, my depression is caused by genetics.  
 
So, you maybe can see now, why I find people that won't even try to understand or what it is like very frustrating and ignorant. If you don't understand, read about it. I have sent more links to my husband to get him to understand and he is most supportive now.  
 
At one time I would not wish this illness on my worst enemy. But from the ignorant comments on this thread, to the people that don't care or want to learn - I hope you never have someone with mental illness in your family. (I was going to say to the one's that don't care or don't want to learn or are ignorant that I hope you come down with mental illness, but even I am not that bitter of a person)  
 
That is it - why I support NCR, why I support any organization that helps mental illness, why I still read new things on it all the time, as I believe there is a cure out there, but the drug companies are making so much money, the will never tell.  
 
I am sorry this is so long and off topic. I will not post in this thread again. But I thank those that have posted and understand, it is a relief to read those posts.

Johnbisonbear said "    Weizen said "http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/mountie-who-witnessed-bus-beheading-dies-by-suicide-1.1918550 " Another victim of Li "

what makes you believe that this event, and only this event was the reason this Mountie/RCMP officer committed suicide? Nowhere does it say this in the article. How did you draw this conclusion?

What do you know, Brandon is filled with a whole bunch of experts who, with the help of googling, are more knowledgable than expert psychiatrists, fantastic! I'm so glad that we have so many geniuses! Hey, what's the best way to help traumatized people heal? I know, repeat grisly details about a tragic event, out of a gruesome fascination, THATS REAL HELPFUL.  
 
I don't usually resort to sarcasm but I'm pretty disgusted with this whole discussion, and I think it points to a very ugly dehumanization by the media and the public. Dehumanizing Vince li does NOTHING to bring back Tim McLean, or to help those who have directly suffered from the trauma of the sad events.  
 
We live in civilized society and rehabilitating those who are ill as well as those who commit crimes is an important part of our system of justice and corrections. Stop focusing on gruesome details and be respectful for goodness sake!

Oryx said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Weizen said "http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/mountie-who-witnessed-bus-beheading-dies-by-suicide-1.1918550 " Another victim of Li " what makes you believe that this event, and only this event was the reason this Mountie/RCMP officer committed suicide? Nowhere does it say this in the article. How did you draw this conclusion? "

Agreed, in fact this article says:  
 
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/six-years-after-vince-li-beheaded-a-greyhound-passenger-another-death-mountie-at-the-scene-commits-suicide  
 
"Cpl. Barker was a Mountie for 27 years, except for a brief stint with the Winnipeg Fire Department. For the latter part of his career he was a dog handler, working with Axa, a Czech Republic-born German shepherd.  
 
“I love my job. I can’t foresee getting out of it any time soon,” he told a community news reporter in 2004. “This partnership, well, it’s very special to me.”  
 
But as one of Manitoba’s few dog handlers, he worked irregular hours, frequently uncovering decaying corpses in the wilderness."  
 
Now I have no horse in this race, but this Mountie worked with a cadaver dog, I'm thinking this man probably saw more heinousness than just what happened on that bus. The only difference is the bus made national headlines, but dead bodies are dead bodies regardless of the cause.  
The mental health system was gutted long ago and this is the kind of ramifications that has. Not just the beheading, but the need for alternative sentencing such as this. There's no BMHC's to keep these people anymore, and there's no desire to put up the money to reinvest in these services.

*******For any who cares there is a petition on CHANGE.ORG to have the decision overturned in this case ******

mental issues isn't an excuse for everything, for a person's action. Justice wasn't fair here for Tim's family. How would you feel if you had a family member beheaded and the mental health person gets freedom from killing your family member.

There is never going to be justice for the loved ones of victims of crime. You cannot return a dead person to life, or a traumatized person to the life they would have lived prior to trauma. What CAN be done is to try to correct the circumstances that led to the event. In this case, that is the mental defect that Vince Li suffered from. If psychiatrists who are experts have decided that this has happened, I would rather trust them than anyone else.  
 
I think it would be helpful to stop talking about the manner of this poor young man's death and instead acknowledge how sad it is, and allow the grief process. The more it's talked about, I think is the more insensitive to the actual people who have suffered because of this terrible event.

Oryx said "    Johnbisonbear said "    Weizen said "http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/mountie-who-witnessed-bus-beheading-dies-by-suicide-1.1918550 " Another victim of Li " what makes you believe that this event, and only this event was the reason this Mountie/RCMP officer committed suicide? Nowhere does it say this in the article. How did you draw this conclusion? "

but maybe the straw that broke the camel's back? I think we can all imagine the horrors that police see far too often. How do they cope with all they experience? Look at the timing of the suicide.

Tater said "What do you know, Brandon is filled with a whole bunch of experts who, with the help of googling, are more knowledgable than expert psychiatrists, fantastic! I'm so glad that we have so many geniuses! Hey, what's the best way to help traumatized people heal? I know, repeat grisly details about a tragic event, out of a gruesome fascination, THATS REAL HELPFUL.     I don't usually resort to sarcasm but I'm pretty disgusted with this whole discussion, and I think it points to a very ugly dehumanization by the media and the public. Dehumanizing Vince li does NOTHING to bring back Tim McLean, or to help those who have directly suffered from the trauma of the sad events.     We live in civilized society and rehabilitating those who are ill as well as those who commit crimes is an important part of our system of justice and corrections. Stop focusing on gruesome details and be respectful for goodness sake! "

that horrific incident that happened years ago in our city that ended with two people brutally murdered by a family member. Despite the family being medical professionals they couldn't provide or help the person that ended up taking their lives.  
 
No one is saying that every person diagnosed with mental illness is a throw away. They need the help and hopefully get that help.  
 
Just like medical doctors, there are good ones and not so good ones. Same with psychiatrists right? You got to shop around for the good ones.

There was a program on CBC a few years ago entitled NCR on the show "the doc zone" it is eerily similar to this case. A man stabbed a random woman 6 times in a shopping mall, luckily she survived. There was also a follow up show showing updates. It looked to me like the guy struggled every day to maintain his sanity by medication, and that he could tip over the edge at anytime if the circumstances were right. He just looked to me like a ticking timebomb. The Vinci li thing is more than just a mood swing or a bout of depression, after what he did he should not see the light of day ever again! I don't know how to put the link to this program on here, if you google the doc zone NCR you can see it or if someone can put it on here, it's an interesting watch.

this is an issue with many diverse opinions , my concern is that he went off of his meds before he committed the attrocity. due to this track record i feel that his taking his meds should be enforced for life , either while in custody or legally enforced when free and any indication that meds are not being taken should be returned to custody with no legal appeal allowed

Tater said "What do you know, Brandon is filled with a whole bunch of experts who, with the help of googling, are more knowledgable than expert psychiatrists, fantastic! I'm so glad that we have so many geniuses! Hey, what's the best way to help traumatized people heal? I know, repeat grisly details about a tragic event, out of a gruesome fascination, THATS REAL HELPFUL.     I don't usually resort to sarcasm but I'm pretty disgusted with this whole discussion, and I think it points to a very ugly dehumanization by the media and the public. Dehumanizing Vince li does NOTHING to bring back Tim McLean, or to help those who have directly suffered from the trauma of the sad events.     We live in civilized society and rehabilitating those who are ill as well as those who commit crimes is an important part of our system of justice and corrections. Stop focusing on gruesome details and be respectful for goodness sake! "

It is unfortunate that this decision is not based on the majority rules rather than some psychiatrist that has no responsibility to any future occurrence by Vince Li.  
 
As many have said he should never be allowed to be unsupervised as far as taking his meds, but our legal system takes no responsibility for what may happen in the future.  
 
This case is one of the most heinous acts in Canadian history and we close our eyes to it. I another example of our so-called permissive society.  
 
Brenda says people living close to him are apparently not worried. Makes me wonder why he is given a different name to protect his identity, and also where is he living. No doubt somewhere in Manitoba Housing where many may not be aware of him.

Just because a large number of people on ebrandon feel scared and outraged does not mean that they are correct or that their opinion is more valid than mine. Your nonsense about preferring majority rules to the opinion of experts psychiatrists is exactly the kind of showy ignorance I have zero intentions of bowing down to in my life. You have no logic to support your argument so you call me a bleeding heart and say my point of view is unpopular lol

mackenzie5 said "this is an issue with many diverse opinions , my concern is that he went off of his meds before he committed the attrocity. due to this track record i feel that his taking his meds should be enforced for life , either while in custody or legally enforced when free and any indication that meds are not being taken should be returned to custody with no legal appeal allowed "

Track record? You do know that different medications for mental health issues all work differently in different people, don't you? Do you know that there is no "map of the brain" that allows a perfect diagnosis and perfect medication therapy every time? It's all just trial and error.  
 
If the stories are true that Baker/Li was prescribed medication previously for his disease, there is no guarantee that it worked at all. That, in itself, is reason enough for many mental health sufferers to stop medication - they don't feel that it's working.  
 
In Baker's case now, a medication or combination of meds has been found, through extensive trial and error, that alleviates his symptoms so that he no longer hears voices or loses touch with reality.  
 
I'll ask one more time - why would a man who KNOWS for a fact that stopping his medication will cause him to become a violent murderer, [i]stop his medication[/i]???  
 
Until you have personally experienced a mental health issue, you do not have the right to speculate or make negative comments about those who do suffer from such a disease. I'm done trying to convince close-minded people that these diseases are treatable and even curable.

So how many of you have gone to change.org and signed or looked at the petition??

Blade said "    Tater said "What do you know, Brandon is filled with a whole bunch of experts who, with the help of googling, are more knowledgable than expert psychiatrists, fantastic! I'm so glad that we have so many geniuses! Hey, what's the best way to help traumatized people heal? I know, repeat grisly details about a tragic event, out of a gruesome fascination, THATS REAL HELPFUL.     I don't usually resort to sarcasm but I'm pretty disgusted with this whole discussion, and I think it points to a very ugly dehumanization by the media and the public. Dehumanizing Vince li does NOTHING to bring back Tim McLean, or to help those who have directly suffered from the trauma of the sad events.     We live in civilized society and rehabilitating those who are ill as well as those who commit crimes is an important part of our system of justice and corrections. Stop focusing on gruesome details and be respectful for goodness sake! " It is unfortunate that this decision is not based on the majority rules rather than some psychiatrist that has no responsibility to any future occurrence by Vince Li.     As many have said he should never be allowed to be unsupervised as far as taking his meds, but our legal system takes no responsibility for what may happen in the future.     This case is one of the most heinous acts in Canadian history and we close our eyes to it. I another example of our so-called permissive society.     Brenda says people living close to him are apparently not worried. Makes me wonder why he is given a different name to protect his identity, and also where is he living. No doubt somewhere in Manitoba Housing where many may not be aware of him. "

I said I wasn''t going to post again, but I must correct you. I did not say people living close are not worried. I said, if he lives in an apartment, I wonder why neighbors have not spoken up about how scared they are?  
 
again as I have said in many posts - he was undiagnosed.  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/vince-li-discharge-1.3979861  
 
Edited by Brenda, 2017-02-13 18:09:16

These are quotes from an article written in March 2009 from the Globe and Mail.  
 
"Friends advised Ana to take her husband to a doctor. She refused, citing language and cultural barriers as well as Mr. Li's inevitable opposition to any plan that might label him as mentally ill."  
 
In March, 2005, Mr. Li abruptly left their Winnipeg home for Thompson, Man., apparently commanded by the voice to buy land there, even though he had no money. Six months later, again compelled by the voice, he hopped a plane to Toronto. "Then God's voice told me to go back to Winnipeg … so I started walking on the highway: I threw out my luggage after God told me to do that," he told a psychiatrist.  
 
"He was picked up by police and taken to William Osler Health Centre in Etobicoke. "He was vague, seemed to be hallucinating, staring into space," a doctor there noted. "He has not slept or eaten for three days."  
 
He was diagnosed with schizophrenia and given medications that he refused to take.  
 
Believing Mr. Li was at risk of harming himself or others, doctors placed him on two involuntary admission certificates and could have legally detained him for 14 days. For reasons still unclear, he walked away from the hospital after just 10 days. The hospital said it cannot comment on Mr. Li's case for "privacy and confidentiality" reasons. Mr. Li says he escaped. What's certain is that he left against medical advice."  
 
This article states that Mr. Li was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005 and refused to take his medication.