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Is it time for masks to be mandated in Brandon?

Millenial
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8/11/2020 at 11:01 AM

BiG Mack said "The CDC does not currently recommend use of face shields as a substitute for masks. Most likely because the droplets are easily escaped from around the shield. And to be honest if I went into the grocery store and saw someone wearing a shield I would think they are the psychopath rather than the poor unmasked Granny in the produce aisle...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html

Edited by BiG Mack, 2020-08-11 09:14:45"
I'm sorry, but what exactly does someone wearing a face shield have to do with psychopathy?

Cover your faces people.
Johnbisonbear
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i dont have
8/11/2020 at 11:09 AM

a problem with masks, do i like wearing one, no but will when going shopping etc. Yesterday we hit three places, first place no problem but when i put the mask on to go into the second place i felt like i couldn't breathe, ugh. After driving to the third place and masking up i felt better, as in i felt like i could breathe.

Anyway, about City Hal, attended to pay the tax bill, in the north door and out the south door as per the orders. Never got close to anyone so i don't feel masks are necessary to wear to City Hall.

If anyone can inform me if i could purchase a face shield in one of the stores please let me know. TIA!
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8/11/2020 at 12:22 PM

Johnbisonbear said "a problem with masks, do i like wearing one, no but will when going shopping etc. Yesterday we hit three places, first place no problem but when i put the mask on to go into the second place i felt like i couldn't breathe, ugh. After driving to the third place and masking up i felt better, as in i felt like i could breathe.

Anyway, about City Hal, attended to pay the tax bill, in the north door and out the south door as per the orders. Never got close to anyone so i don't feel masks are necessary to wear to City Hall.

If anyone can inform me if i could purchase a face shield in one of the stores please let me know. TIA! "
You can purchase them here for $10. I was told they're like the hospitals use and they will cut them shorter for kids
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more info on masks
8/11/2020 at 2:30 PM

Some new info released today about masks and the effectiveness of different types. Note that wearing the gator-type ones are the worst, and may actually be worse than wearing nothing at all because the nature of the fabric seems to break up large droplets into smaller ones, allowing them to be suspended in the air longer (maybe). It's still a question mark about what it ultimately means, hopefully we'll nail down the exact mode of transmission (droplets vs. aerosols) sooner rather than later.

Lots of new stuff on masks uD83DuDE37uD83DuDE37
1. Evaluation of 14 different masks for filtering droplets during speech @ScienceAdvances https://t.co/WvC6RH75vx https://t.co/Iptq4E6vN4 neck gaiter worse than nothing!@_allysonchiu pic.twitter.com/YPVpXto9yE
&mdash: Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 11, 2020

2. Evaluation of 29 fitted face masks, N95s and alternatives @JAMAInternalMed https://t.co/QF39Dh9wnN pic.twitter.com/9WAw2IqJDi
&mdash: Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 11, 2020

How could a neck gaiter or a bandana be worse than no mask? And what about the N95 with a valve? pic.twitter.com/4AoYBNbBkx
&mdash: Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 11, 2020
oldcowgirl
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new way to wear mask
8/11/2020 at 4:24 PM

Saw it today at restaurant with outside picnic tables - not a patio. Person with a mask on and a cigarette hanging out of her mouth. One step worse than the ones wearing mask under their nose not over their nose.

I wore a mask into Fabricland as required. Had to cut shopping short as was getting hot and things started to spin. Meanwhile person behind me in cash line had his huge nose hanging over the top of his mask. Once I got outside mask off and fresh air things quit spinning.
theeagle
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Yes
8/11/2020 at 5:49 PM

In regards to those that can not wear a mask, for some, this is 100% correct, and some accommodation has to be made. My problem, of every 100 people (maybe more), that "can't wear a mask", probably only 1 actually CAN'T wear it. For the rest, they just won't. People say they should have the right to choose. What about the right of people to choose about not risking their health over some fool who does not want to wear a mask? Again - not talking about those very few that actually can't. As someone who is in contact with people all the time (essential worker), my job is dangerous enough. And since a mask protects others more than you, I am not happy when people encounter me without a mask. Not sure how we can accommodate the few that can't, as any card made that is legit, someone will make a fake of, and pass it off. Also, people need to wear them right! Seen people move the mask to cough! Wear the mask till they approached someone to talk, then pull it down. It is not really that hard - I do it all day, 5 days a week. If I need to remove it, I clean hands before, and after I touch the mask. Etc.
Adam

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Setting an example
8/11/2020 at 7:02 PM

Johnbisonbear said "a problem with masks, do i like wearing one, no but will when going shopping etc. Yesterday we hit three places, first place no problem but when i put the mask on to go into the second place i felt like i couldn't breathe, ugh. After driving to the third place and masking up i felt better, as in i felt like i could breathe.

Anyway, about City Hal, attended to pay the tax bill, in the north door and out the south door as per the orders. Never got close to anyone so i don't feel masks are necessary to wear to City Hall.

If anyone can inform me if i could purchase a face shield in one of the stores please let me know. TIA! "
Haven’t been inside City Hall in a while to add an anecdote to that, but there's more to it than a technical analysis of need. The City making the change in city facilities would signal what the norm is and I’d bet my favourite hat that others would follow.... locally headquartered businesses at least. I doubt some of the bigger corporates factor in a decision in small city Manitoba in the wider call they make from an office in Toronto for locations across the country. Walmart doing what they’ve done starting tomorrow should have leading the way for the big guys taken care of.

Library as a quasi-City facility deserves a ton of credit for stepping up... Let’s keep it going!
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.........
8/11/2020 at 9:53 PM

I've started wearing a disposable mask whenever I need to go into indoor public places. I was initially waiting for the majority to sway my opinion. But I realized that it's better to lead by example.

People on the front lines have to wear mask for 8 or more hours a day. We can deal with 15 or 20 minutes of the same during a shopping trip.
Adam

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ACC
8/12/2020 at 6:43 AM

Not quite going as far as mandating, but an example of a major local org making a strong statement encouraging mask use...
Help keep our campus communities healthy and reduce the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a face mask or face covering when on campus.

Learn more about campus access and safety here uD83DuDCF2https://t.co/w4rcRwFwfm pic.twitter.com/Xc7Q9Xuvfu
— Assiniboine (@accmb) August 11, 2020
GetRec'd
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10 minutes
8/12/2020 at 8:07 AM

tlr said "It is not that pleasant to wear a mask for most people. It takes time to get used to anything. But a ventilator probably not great either.High risk situations, is made safer with a mask on for everyone in that situation. Seems hard for some, to keep politics out of common sense. "
It took me 10 minutes to get used to wearing a cloth mask and I'd never worn one before in my life.

They aren't a big deal, except in terms of potentially saving lives.
Adam

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Sun
8/12/2020 at 9:39 AM

A well-stated editorial today by Matt @ the Sun in support of the city taking the bull by the horns re mandating masks...
https://www.brandonsun.com/opinion/editorials/not-the-time-for-timid-leadership-572084862.html
theeagle
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1/10000
8/12/2020 at 10:54 AM

5.3 said "Masks are not perfect and I would be surprised some not good at all. It may look good to people wear masks but how many are not that clean and dirty daily use and touch their mask and their face all over and places.
I find it should more effective washing your hands and face, use sanitize lotion before entering and leaving stores and stay away from gatherings.
I only shop for groceries alone with conversation to no one and stay home or spend time outside alone, I buy a lot online and bank online. I never got to a place yet since march with bunch of people outside or inside. I am not the only one this way. Masks should more depending of workplace or among of people gathering events that I have seen this summer with no one with masks. Quite not sense I find.
There are people couching out in the open in air to me their couch sound they are smokers (could be wrong) whatever their couch reason them they should wear masks.
You had your opinion I have mine. "
What about the workers where you shop? They have no choice but to interact with you, and your unmasked face. Your not wearing one is putting them further at risk. And your shopping habits describe maybe 1/10000 people. Most people are chatting up the staff, other customers, etc. It is not hard to wear a mask, and over 99% of the people can. Why not do your part?
JustASoul
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My thought
8/12/2020 at 11:17 AM

I was very glad to see a significant increase in the number of masks being worn when out for groceries the other day. I hadn't worn a mask shopping in probably 4-5 weeks but, with the rise in local cases, I decided to go back to wearing one. I even shaved my beard to make doing so easier.

Again, I was glad to see an increased number being worn as most people in Brandon obviously adapted to the changing situation locally. If left to reading social media, I would end up feeling like you were a sheep for wearing one or a selfish arse for not. The reality is that a lot of people are making good choices either way and there will always be outliers that don't make good choices even if something is mandated. Kudos to the Brandon folks who have, somewhat, improved my overall perception of humanity.
hockeydad
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Do these cloth masks actually do anything
8/12/2020 at 12:11 PM

I don’t have a mask so any store that requires one I don’t go in. My question when I do buy a cloth mask which one to get? Do any of these masks have studies done on them and which ones actually do anything and which ones do nothing? People wearing homemade ones that have no studies done whether they do any good or not could actually be worse then no mask at all. I would think someone wearing a mask that may not do anything would feel they are protected and everyone else is around them as well and might not take the distancing as serious as someone without a mask. Just my opinion. If anyone has a study showing a certain mask helps can you pass it along so I can get one of those
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Study
8/12/2020 at 12:43 PM

hockeydad said "I don’t have a mask so any store that requires one I don’t go in. My question when I do buy a cloth mask which one to get? Do any of these masks have studies done on them and which ones actually do anything and which ones do nothing? People wearing homemade ones that have no studies done whether they do any good or not could actually be worse then no mask at all. I would think someone wearing a mask that may not do anything would feel they are protected and everyone else is around them as well and might not take the distancing as serious as someone without a mask. Just my opinion. If anyone has a study showing a certain mask helps can you pass it along so I can get one of those "
Check out 12 posts up.
Way too simplistic to assume that everyone wearing a mask is walking around with a false sense of security as much as that has definitely been something the Province is trying their best to guard against. I'd tend to put that up against the assumption that mask wearers by choice are on average people taking the virus with the seriousness its meant to be and that most understand it isn't a black or white thing so much as reducing percentages. Put me in the second category, just as cautious with distancing with mask on while at the same time taking extra comfort that I'm doing my part.
hockeydad
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Studies
8/12/2020 at 1:25 PM

Thanks Adam I will look at those later when I have a chance. For now I will stay out of the stores and order online as I have been. I’m not going to argue about the people with masks have a false sense of security or not we each are entitled to our opinions. One thing I have noticed if I have to go to a store and it’s been right from the start is people’s disregard for the arrows in the isles and distancing. I am also seeing a lot of negativity from people regarding masks or no masks. It’s getting close to time to stop reading about all this stuff
Adam

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BU
8/12/2020 at 2:49 PM

BU now making masks mandatory when indoors and in the company of people... exception in situation such as if alone in office:
https://www.brandonu.ca/news/2020/08/12/masks-will-now-be-mandatory-indoors-at-brandon-university/
sprinter
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Masks
8/12/2020 at 2:56 PM

Like someone said on another post, if your in the situation that you can't wear a mask for a medical reason, chances are you already have a weak immune system and likely shouldn't be out in the public any way.
GetRec'd
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8/12/2020 at 3:01 PM

hockeydad said "I don’t have a mask so any store that requires one I don’t go in. My question when I do buy a cloth mask which one to get? Do any of these masks have studies done on them and which ones actually do anything and which ones do nothing? People wearing homemade ones that have no studies done whether they do any good or not could actually be worse then no mask at all. I would think someone wearing a mask that may not do anything would feel they are protected and everyone else is around them as well and might not take the distancing as serious as someone without a mask. Just my opinion. If anyone has a study showing a certain mask helps can you pass it along so I can get one of those "
If your username is accurate....you're gonna need to buy one buddy.
hockeydad
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Thanks
8/12/2020 at 3:28 PM

GetRec'd said "If your username is accurate....you're gonna need to buy one buddy. "
Kids are all done with hockey (old username haven’t changed it) no need to go to the rink. I didn’t say I wasn’t buying one just said I want one that will actually help and just assume it will but thanks for the help buddy
calamari
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private property
8/12/2020 at 4:42 PM

Any company can enforce mask wearing as it is private property. Much like the rules of no shirt, no shoes, and now no mask, no service! as far as not being able to wear a mask, well these are the people that should be wearing a mask! if you have breathing issues now, covid won't make it better...
https://www.healthing.ca/news/fleece-neck-gaiters-and-bandanas-are-least-effective-at-stopping-covid-19-droplets-study-finds
theeagle
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Risk vs reward
8/12/2020 at 5:57 PM

Lets just do a risk vs reward here.

This paragraph assumes the experts are wrong, and masks do nothing (not sure why people want to believe that a high school drop on YouTube is a better option than an expert, but we are assuming that here). I decide to wear a mask. The outcome, I am slightly uncomfortable while I am out, but that is it.

Now, we will assume the experts are right (makes sense to be), but I decide to ignore them, and not wear a mask. The possible outcome, people can get sick, possibly recover fully, possibly have long term, or lifetime negative effects, or die.

Anyone who is not willing to be slightly uncomfortable, to possibly prevent others form getting sick enough they could possibly die, are pretty much a textbook definition of selfish. "As long as I am not inconvenienced, I don't really care if you die".
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I
8/12/2020 at 7:03 PM

sprinter said "Like someone said on another post, if your in the situation that you can't wear a mask for a medical reason, chances are you already have a weak immune system and likely shouldn't be out in the public any way. "
get what you are saying but at the same time those of us with weak immune systems need to get out and not live in a bubble and you can be in public and keep distance and delivery isn't always a option espc if ya only need a couple of things. I will say one thing, I do appreciate those who can wear masks who do so that those of us who can't are safer. So thank you for that. And today when I was in a store getting couple of items, I appreciated the people who asked if they could pass me...that was very respectful, thank you. There was one guy in one isle walking right towards me and very close and exhaled right as he was near me I could hear him do it, I held my breathe the best I could and pushed my walker fast down the isle. I wanted to slap him lol He was right infront and basiclly next to me walking past me when he did this. He didn't distance himself at all and was only inches away. Why exhale like that right at me? I really wanted to smack him but Im too old for jail lol But to those who respect space and can wear masks thank you
Red
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Masks compulsory
8/12/2020 at 7:50 PM

cheeseburgermonster said "
get what you are saying but at the same time those of us with weak immune systems need to get out and not live in a bubble if possible and you can be in public and keep distance and just doing delivery isn't always a option espc if ya only need a couple of things. To say we shouldn't be out in public is abit harsh. I will say one thing, I do appreciate those who can wear masks who do, so that those of us who can't are safer. So thank you for that. And today when I was in a store getting couple of items, I appreciated the people who asked if they could pass me...that was very respectful, thank you.
There was one guy in one isle walking right towards me and very close and exhaled right as he was near me I could hear him do it, I held my breathe the best I could and pushed my walker fast down the isle. He was right infront and basiclly next to me walking past me when he did this. He didn't distance himself at all and was only inches away. Why exhale like that right at me? I really wanted to smack him, but Im too old for jail lol I get there's a chance we can walk into where someone sneezed or coughed etc, but seriously wt* .... But to those who respect people's space and can wear masks thank you
"
Hi Ya Was anybody in Walmart today,Just wondering if the manadatory mask thing went over well,Any Riots,people digging there heals in.Or was all quiet and everbody excepting the fact this may be the way of life for awhile ,
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I'm all for
8/12/2020 at 8:01 PM

places mandating masks. More are doing so daily.
The federal government hasn't made masks mandatory so i highly doubt that the province or the city will mandate either.
TDCAU
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TDCAU
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mandating masks
8/12/2020 at 9:42 PM

I don't think masks should be or need to be mandated. You are far likelier to catch covid from a family member or someone you're in regular close proximity with than the maskless wonder passing you in an aisle in a store. Anyone who is symptomatic should be staying away from public places anyway.

If someone passes covid on to a coworker, it would likely happen mask or not as the mask would've been handled/adjusted/saturated throughout the shift. We should still be practicing social distancing and regular hand washing whenever possible.

It sometimes feels like we're being conditioned to view each other as nothing but big flesh bags of bacteria. The anger is showing.
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If only it were that simple
8/12/2020 at 10:05 PM

TDCAU said "I don't think masks should be or need to be mandated. You are far likelier to catch covid from a family member or someone you're in regular close proximity with than the maskless wonder passing you in an aisle in a store. Anyone who is symptomatic should be staying away from public places anyway.

If someone passes covid on to a coworker, it would likely happen mask or not as the mask would've been handled/adjusted/saturated throughout the shift. We should still be practicing social distancing and regular hand washing whenever possible.

It sometimes feels like we're being conditioned to view each other as nothing but big flesh bags of bacteria. The anger is showing. "
" Anyone who is symptomatic should be staying away from public places anyway. "

If people actually did that, we wouldn't be in this predicament we're currently in. While the majority of recent cases are from contacts (although not necessarily "close contacts"), 10% or more are not. There's also a cluster in Steinbach that was in the news that's likely community transmission.

When community transmission becomes prelevant, that will spell disaster. That's when you start getting doubling every few days, and the system is overwhelmed. Masking, while imperfect, has been shown to slow the spread. That's the best we can do for right now.

It's such a simple thing to do... why wouldn't we do it?

"One hairstylist had worked with 56 clients at the salon while the second one had seen 84 customers and seven coworkers. The stylists went to the salon for about eight days ending on May 20.

[...]

This month, a study published in the Lancet medical journal found people should stay six feet apart and wear face coverings. It said the chance of transmission without a face mask was 17.4%, while that fell to 3.1% when a mask was worn."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/two-hairstylists-who-had-coronavirus-saw-140-clients-no-new-infections-have-been-linked-to-the-salon-officials-say-1.4979559
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8/12/2020 at 10:58 PM

Abbysmum said "" Anyone who is symptomatic should be staying away from public places anyway. "

If people actually did that, we wouldn't be in this predicament we're currently in. While the majority of recent cases are from contacts (although not necessarily "close contacts"), 10% or more are not. There's also a cluster in Steinbach that was in the news that's likely community transmission.

When community transmission becomes prelevant, that will spell disaster. That's when you start getting doubling every few days, and the system is overwhelmed. Masking, while imperfect, has been shown to slow the spread. That's the best we can do for right now.

It's such a simple thing to do... why wouldn't we do it?

"One hairstylist had worked with 56 clients at the salon while the second one had seen 84 customers and seven coworkers. The stylists went to the salon for about eight days ending on May 20.

[...]

This month, a study published in the Lancet medical journal found people should stay six feet apart and wear face coverings. It said the chance of transmission without a face mask was 17.4%, while that fell to 3.1% when a mask was worn."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/two-hairstylists-who-had-coronavirus-saw-140-clients-no-new-infections-have-been-linked-to-the-salon-officials-say-1.4979559 "
Ideally symptomatic people would be staying at home. And if they don't, then yes, they should definitely be wearing a mask. Hopefully no one is out there intentionally trying to infect people.

I can see why wearing masks would be beneficial in a hair salon as someone is close to your head space for a period of time. Social distancing isn't possible.

I'm not really pro or anti-mask, if I chose to go to Walmart tomorrow, I would bring a mask. I'm just uncomfortable with the mandating part (city or province) and the rising aggression people are displaying. There seems to be a story in the news every day around the world about people raging at each other either for or against masks.
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Except
8/13/2020 at 1:57 AM

TDCAU said "I don't think masks should be or need to be mandated. You are far likelier to catch covid from a family member or someone you're in regular close proximity with than the maskless wonder passing you in an aisle in a store. Anyone who is symptomatic should be staying away from public places anyway.

If someone passes covid on to a coworker, it would likely happen mask or not as the mask would've been handled/adjusted/saturated throughout the shift. We should still be practicing social distancing and regular hand washing whenever possible.

It sometimes feels like we're being conditioned to view each other as nothing but big flesh bags of bacteria. The anger is showing. "
that you do not need to be symptomatic to spread the virus. That is the whole point...since you do not know if you have the virus and are making others sick, mask up.
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Wasn't
8/13/2020 at 2:04 AM

Red said "Hi Ya Was anybody in Walmart today,Just wondering if the manadatory mask thing went over well,Any Riots,people digging there heals in.Or was all quiet and everbody excepting the fact this may be the way of life for awhile , "
in there today but was last night. Almost everyone was masked up and all was quiet for the exception of one very loud, obnoxious unmasked man walking around yelling the word "propaganda" over and over. Sad how some people crave attention so much they don't care that it is negative attention they receive.