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IMO it is long past due but if we are going to tell businesses that they have to close. Then in all fairness we should be telling the air lines that they can no longer fly passengers around. All they can haul is cargo. My thinking is if you make it hard for people to travel long distances the less likely they are to travel. Those thinking that if you shut the airlines down they will want compensation. There asking for it anyways so why not shut them down and tell them to get in line with rest of the business that have been shut down

Won’t happen. People need to cross the border for many reasons. That’s why there are still vehicles and semis that go back and forth. There is no way that completely hermetically sealing our country will help or work.

Real glad your thought process wasn’t at play when i needed to take the earliest flight home to see my dying family member.  
 
Also majority of cases aren’t caused by travel in Manitoba. Very few have been.

Actually, travel is exactly how we got into this situation in the first place. After the restrictions were lifted from the first lockdown, pretty much all of the cases for several weeks were travel related, which of course resulted in community based spread in the end.  
 
While I don’t agree with the original post, because there are emergent needs for travel, I think that if the travel restrictions would have never been lifted we would not be on this position. Requiring people to self isolate for 14 days deterred a lot of unnecessary travel because people couldn’t afford to use their holiday time and then have to take an additional 14 days once coming back home.  
 
Travel restrictions should be put back in place so that it makes it really difficult to leave or come in to MB unless it’s absolutely necessary. Then for now we will just have to deal with the lockdown until cases decrease, and after that, do not lift travel restrictions for a very very long time. Once we get it under control here, the only way of spread is by travel.

There is no doubt that covid got here through the movement of people.  
Movement restrictions do slow the spread of disease, that was one the main methods used to reduce the spread of animal foot and mouth disease in the UK.  
The trouble is that as a society we are addicted to widespread travel and that ability to do so over the years has become an expectation .

Can’t have it all though. Our entire economy is being destroyed because of widespread lockdowns. If it were just travel that were to have remained restricted, the rest of the economy would not be suffering like it is right now.  
 
PMH went to code orange the instant we hit that 3% test positivity rate. They let Winnipeg get past that for too long before even putting basic restrictions like mandatory masks in place. We are all suffering g now because of it.  
 
Its really dumbfounding how travel restrictions are not being put back in place and how kids are still in school. Just because the spread from those things isn’t happening right at this moment, it’s only a matter of time. Good luck getting under control once it’s started. Are we not learning our lesson here yet?

I partly agree with you . I think that current restrictions will help save the economy long term and will cause the necessary streamlining and efficiency gains. I think that covid just brought the inevitable forward. Our economy has in recent years been reliant on excessive consumption of everything which was not sustainable. We also should consider the new post covid growth of a cleaner and greener economy which will bring massive change to the way that we all live, shop, travel and do business. From here foreword things will be very different.  
I don’t agree with the correlation between travel restrictions and schools being open. The school divisions and staff are working hard to provide our children with the education that they need so badly in as safe a way as possible. I think that they are doing a good job and on the whole the kids are more responsible than adults, regarding covid the kids understand the need for restrictions and protocols whereas many adults still do not understand or think that it doesn’t apply to them. The reason we are in this second wave is largely due to adults who should know better refusing to adhere to simple fundamentals of hygiene and restricting their own activities just a little. It’s just prolonging the whole outbreak and the economic and social fall out caused by it. It’s a pity because now the government has no choice but to enforce these things and that’s harder for everyone.

I agree 100% with you. I said when they first opened up everything they should keep borders closed and keep 14 day quarantine. That way everyone could get back to work and school. We were doing so well until then and now I fear we'll be months getting this under control. I don't think the economy can take it. Instead of ticketing everyone who wants their lives back and get back to work, ticket people who come into MB from other provinces. All we seem to be doing on here is complaining about why we should or shouldn't be wearing masks, shopping and gathering. It's so frustrating. Something has to give tho and I say travel.  
Eyam had the plague in 1665 and they locked themselves in their village, no one in and no one out for more than a year. I don't think we have to go to that extreme but we do have to get the numbers down...Wpg is going crazy.

I'm not one to say shut this down or shut that down but if we're at the point of being forced to restrict visitors to our home to 1 person only and businesses are restricted on items and minimal shoppers based on square footage, how is shoehorning into a sealed metal tube at 30,000 feet breathing recycled air ok ?  
 
Edited by hutchster, 2020-11-26 10:22:25

While I agree with most of your post you don't breath only recycled air on an airplane. In fact air on a plane is constantly cycling upwards of 25 times an hour and the other air is filtered through some pretty serious hospital grade HEPA filters. You likely have about the same level risk of catching COVID from hanging out in Walmart or the GT boutique buying your "essentials".

Not going to happen..Check out the arrivals in Toronto today.  
https://www.torontopearson.com/en/arrivals

Ok, I can understand it being filtered but the fact remains your still sitting in a confined space for hours at a time with possibly a hundred or more people when we are at the point of being fined for having more than 1 person visit your house ?  
 
One other thing I'm curious about, not to you specifically, are airports subject to the same limited capacity like retail outlets are, ie 25% of nominal capacity ?

1. the air you breathe on a plane is 50% fresh air, the rest recycles through surgery grade HEPA filters about every 3 minutes. On a plane, you need to be concerned about those sitting within a couple rows of you. Just like in the past with colds, flus and Ebola. 2. in the post above, it shows 17 flights arriving into Toronto Pearson for one day - prior to Covid, Toronto averaged 1200 flights/day. So say, 600 arrival/departure pairs.

Well the fine for having more than 1 in your house is strictly Manitoba's public health order. No other Province has such strict orders. And airports are not subject to the 25% capacity similar to how a school isn't either.

The airports are federal responsibility.