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Travel brought Covid world wide and now is bringing the variants but still the non essential flights continue. Tons of people flying to sunny destinations every day so really what do you expect? Self quarantine means about the same as not recommended. Issuing fines means nothing to the rich. We can’t even get a steady supply of vaccine. Either ground the planes or live with Covid and all its mutants for several more years. Selfish people and greed are hurting the rest.

I agree with you on this. They are making people stay home do this do that yet people are flying around like you said,and they say flight cases are really low and basiclly aren't the cause of the spread...oh really? A plane full of couple hundred people shoulder to shoulder for a couple of hours and 'no social distancing' is ok but how dare you have your grandkids over? The virus is bad, but when they allow this, makes you wonder how bad is it really is if people can be cramped together on planes and then around other people in the airports again and then back on planes and come here and supposedly all covid free? I doubt they are social distancing wearing masks where ever they are flying to. Yet we have to avoid contact with people? wth lol And when govt people fly around and dont wear masks in airports why aren't they worried about catching it ? Yet citizens who are staying home etc are being blamed for the spread!  
 
Edited by covidsux, 2021-01-26 14:37:32

There's been lots of talk/speculation on various news outlets about Canada establishing a quarentine regime similar to Australia and New Zealand, where you have to serve you Q in a hotel at your expense.  
 
The rates for Australia work out to be about $2k for the first adult, $1k for the second adult, and $500 per minor child.  
 
Canada can't prevent Canadian citizens from coming and going from what I understand (although maybe they can if the Emergency Act is enacted, which rumour has it is also on the table at this point), but they can make it very onerous and expensive to leave the country in order to discourage it.

There is most likely an announcement coming likely later this week or next.  
Not a day has gone in the past week by that the PM has not issued a statement warning the public not to book any flights including for spring break in March or university/college break in February .  
— And yes the Emergency Measures Act is open for discussion.  
 
As of this Friday anyone from “anywhere” coming to Manitoba has to isolate 14 days including the western provinces.  
 
Edited by Mac72, 2021-01-26 14:47:58

I totally agree with everything said on this thread so far. If the planes aren't kept on the ground or EXTREMELY stringent quarantining taking place, this virus is going to keep coming around no matter what. Everyone agrees that contact is what spreads it. Stop the contact.

Canadians shouldn't fly anywhere during that time so that no one catches the politicians who will go fly on holiday thinking no one will catch them a second time lol Not making light of the situation but had to say that .... PM doesn't give a crap about Candians unless its voting night.  
 
Edited by covidsux, 2021-01-26 16:04:42

Call me an optimist, but I think most politicians do genuinely care about the people. Certainly there are exceptions, but most I've met (of any persuasion) are in it because they care about their communities and want to make a difference.  
 
The PM is in a tough spot, and would be in a tough spot no matter who was in office - it's just the nature of the world right now. All things considering, I think he's doing okay, bumps and all. And I'm not really a fan of JT to begin with!  
 
I was surprised today when Pallister expressed regret for not doing more enforcement, sooner and harder, rather than education. He said it very plainly at the press conference today. I think enforcement is going to be the way forward from here on in, at both the provincial and, judging from Trudeau's language this week, at the federal level.

"Call me an optimist, but I think most politicians do genuinely care about the people. Certainly there are exceptions, but most I've met (of any persuasion) are in it because they care about their communities and want to make a difference. "  
Fair point. And good pay lol  
I dont know much about Pallister but someone wanting to enforce stuff more could be a touchy area, depending if there is abuse of power. I dont want to live in a martial law world !

when you do not have to fly or go on vacation, good for you. I do not see an issue with flying, because you have to ware a mask at all times. and before you can go somewhere you need to be tested (not older than 72 hours prior departure). I think we should mandatory when someone comes back or in to Canada as well. but so far I know there is still 14 days quarantine time to do after arrival. by the way when you not travel and you not getting in contact with some one who traveled is that not safe enough? I'm almost at the point of getting disappointed. they give us hope that with the vaccine there is an and of this. not even days later they dump our hopes in the hole. and always get told to hang in there. frustration is big when you not see the light of the end of the tunnel.  
for my opinion as some politicians say we may have to live with this like we living with the flu. in the summer I would like to fly too, to se my mom maybe for the last time. so let us be calm and humans and accept different opinions.  
 
Edited by BenRidgers, 2021-01-26 20:50:32

Enforcement is a touchy area, which is why they've shied from it I think in favour of education. However, more or less a year into this, I think it's become abundantly clear that while most people will follow most of the rules most of the time, there's sufficient outliers that will only respond to enforcement.  
 
No one wants a "martial law" world, but the government also has a duty to keep us safe. Unfortunately, it will be a small subset of people that will ultimately decide the fate of the rest of us based on whether or not they will follow the recommendations.  
 
It was a very different tone today with Pallister - he was very sombre and serious, much more than he has been. He's very concerned. There has been lots of concerning developments in the past 7ish days, we're not even remotely out of the weeds yet and there's significant potential for things to get a whole lot worse.

hope you get to see your mom and spend as much time as you can with her. We are all fustrated and are looking for the light at the end of the tunnel.

Well, a few problem with your argument however.  
 
No one "needs" to go on vacation, if I'm understanding what you say. Travel is how this virus gets to a new location. Worldwide, travel is slowly shutting down with these new variants.  
 
Masks, while they help reduce the *chance* of infection, do not make you invincible.  
 
Tests, while very helpful, also do not make you "all clear". You could have tested too early, acquire the infection after you've been tested, or have a false negative. That's why there's still quarantine rules despite the tests. It does, however, help lower the risk of transmission on the plane itself.  
 
Quarantines work. That's why we use them. Unfortunately, lots of people ignore and/or break quarantine, or quarantine imperfectly. Hence the idea being floated of travellers basically being supervised in hotels by the government.  
 
No one credible in power has said we can let up our guard anytime soon despite the availability of vaccines. It will take months, if not years, to vaccinate everyone. That's assuming the vaccines work as promised (there's new data this week that suggests otherwise) and that we can even get them (there's huge supply issues not only in Canada but in the EU, and forget about the developing world - they won't even see the vaccine until 2022). Pallister said himself today that we can expect restrictions of some sort until at least 2022.  
 
I know it's frustrating, and I know everyone's tired. I'm tired too. I miss my mom. I miss my nana. There's stuff I want to do with my kids while they're still young and places I want to take them - those things are all on the backburner.  
 
We can only get through this if we work together, look out for each other, and do our best with the tools we have.