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Just read on StarFMs Facebook page that Sobey's south is relocating (and expanding) to the old Target location in the Shopper's Mall. It was noted in a comment that they aim for a December 2016 open!  
 
 
 
Edited by hobbes, 2016-05-20 13:09:41

That would be great...It's a lot easier to rationalize a trip to the mall when you can get groceries while you're there!  
Wonder how this effects Liquor Mart, who had to benefit by being next door to Sobeys?

What will go in sobeys location then? We really really need a department store in the south end of town again.  
Costco, walmart, anything like that.

Jellybean said "What will go in sobeys location then? We really really need a department store in the south end of town again.   Costco, walmart, anything like that. "

Agree and I actually wish Sobeys would stay where they are. As for the Liquor Mart, maybe they will now have to move back to the Mall or build on the Mall parking lot like they did at the Corral Centre.

Maybe they'll use the free standing space of the current sobeys and liquor mart for a costco, since costco is typically not an anchor store. Would be fabulous.  
 
The simplest solution would just be to put another walmart in the mall anchor location. Not a supercenter, just your regular old walmart.

We were discussing maybe Cdn Tire may expand over there for storage...hmmm.

on the Sobeys website .  
Where is the independent confirmation or is this just a media hoax on Star FM's part ?

It's announced by either the Shopper's Mall or Sobey's. I'm thinking CKLQ has jumped the gun here announcing it so prematurely.

JoBeth said "We were discussing maybe Cdn Tire may expand over there for storage...hmmm. "

Already in the works for the Can Tire Store, I too thought they might want to take it over but I cannot see how it would be a helpful move as they are about the same size.  
 
I guess it would mean they'd have a slightly larger parking lot.

It only makes sense. If they don't include all the other stuff and focus on grocery it could be the one stop shop. Expand their offerings and stay out of clothes and all that other stuff such as furniture. IMO. I'd rather go to one store and get what I need when looking for edibles.

I can personally ensure that Sobeys South is moving into the old Target location at the mall. Will be opening in December of this year in time for Christmas.....yay.  
 
Very exciting for the employees since the new store will be a wonderfully built concept store, as well as it will employee at least another 60 people!!  
 
Hearing rumours that Staples may move into the Sobeys location leaving open the current Staples location up for grabs.  
 
Big changes!!!!

As a current employee of staples I can personally say that no such rumours have been floating around our store about a possible move.

Just for comparisons sake, does anyone know how many sqft their current location is?  
 
I did see in the Cklq story that they're saying the former Target space they're taking over is 60,000 sqft. The link below refers to the full Target space as approx 108,000:  
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/Targets-demise-left-local-retail-landscape-with-huge-holes-to-fill-367210981.html  
 
Not clear if one side or the other has their numbers wrong, or if Sobeys is only taking a portion of the space for themselves?

I heard today that they will face McDonald's. So part of the North end of the building will come off to make more parking room. The store itself will be 60000... and yes it is a fact that they are moving in there. The staff at both sobeys locations were told today.

foxtrot11 said "    JoBeth said "We were discussing maybe Cdn Tire may expand over there for storage...hmmm. " Already in the works for the Can Tire Store, I too thought they might want to take it over but I cannot see how it would be a helpful move as they are about the same size.     I guess it would mean they'd have a slightly larger parking lot. "

We were saying maybe they would use it as a warehouse to store their products...

Adam said "Just for comparisons sake, does anyone know how many sqft their current location is?     I did see in the Cklq story that they're saying the former Target space they're taking over is 60,000 sqft. The link below refers to the full Target space as approx 108,000:   http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/Targets-demise-left-local-retail-landscape-with-huge-holes-to-fill-367210981.html     Not clear if one side or the other has their numbers wrong, or if Sobeys is only taking a portion of the space for themselves? "

current size is 108,ooo. Sobeys will take 60. They are knocking off 40 feet from the end for more parking and the main entrance will face Richmond. This leaves 40,000 sf unfilled at this point.

phantoms said "on the Sobeys website .   Where is the independent confirmation or is this just a media hoax on Star FM's part ? "

I can personally validate that Sobeys IS moving to the old Target location, as my family member will be involved in the building process.  
 
So, its TRUE! !

JoBeth said "We were discussing maybe Cdn Tire may expand over there for storage...hmmm. "

I heard this too. Canadian Tire in some form is taking over the east side of that property.

According to the Bdn Sun article today (and the Sobey's Spokesperson) Their current store is 40,000 sq ft while the old Targert store is 60,000. They are taking over the entire 60,000 footage, for an increase of 20,00 sq feet.  
 
There is no plan to remove footage from the store for additional parking.

Perhaps the MLCC store might go inside the new Sobeys? Like at west end Sobey's but you could fit a full size liquor store in there.

JaRule said "    Adam said "Just for comparisons sake, does anyone know how many sqft their current location is?     I did see in the Cklq story that they're saying the former Target space they're taking over is 60,000 sqft. The link below refers to the full Target space as approx 108,000:   http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/Targets-demise-left-local-retail-landscape-with-huge-holes-to-fill-367210981.html     Not clear if one side or the other has their numbers wrong, or if Sobeys is only taking a portion of the space for themselves? " current size is 108,ooo. Sobeys will take 60. They are knocking off 40 feet from the end for more parking and the main entrance will face Richmond. This leaves 40,000 sf unfilled at this point. "

This just doesnt make sense to me. Theres ample parking already. I cant see the Mall/Sobeys spending the money to take down part of the building. It would make more sense to have a sub-tenant of even wall off part of the space if its too big.

JackAzz said "    JaRule said "    Adam said "Just for comparisons sake, does anyone know how many sqft their current location is?     I did see in the Cklq story that they're saying the former Target space they're taking over is 60,000 sqft. The link below refers to the full Target space as approx 108,000:   http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/Targets-demise-left-local-retail-landscape-with-huge-holes-to-fill-367210981.html     Not clear if one side or the other has their numbers wrong, or if Sobeys is only taking a portion of the space for themselves? " current size is 108,ooo. Sobeys will take 60. They are knocking off 40 feet from the end for more parking and the main entrance will face Richmond. This leaves 40,000 sf unfilled at this point. " This just doesnt make sense to me. Theres ample parking already. I cant see the Mall/Sobeys spending the money to take down part of the building. It would make more sense to have a sub-tenant of even wall off part of the space if its too big. "

Keeping in mind that it sounds like the plan is for a chunk of the prev Target parking lot to go towards a Swiss Chalet/Harvey's and its parking.  
http://www.ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=933107&cat_id=7  
 
Not sure how meaningful of a chunk that would end up being since the Target lot was a good size, but if they are having another tenant or tenants in another portion of the Target space they'll need parking too.

Adam gave the exact reason for demolishing part of the building for more parking. The Sobeys will focus its parking and front door to the north of the building . The new restaurant will build in what was the parking lot for target and will have the needed parking. As part of the development they need the supporting parking to support the square feet they are building as well as the traffic and parking they will need to support it .  
 
To most people such a task of tearing down a building for parking is a big deal. To big developers it is like us playing with Lego. At the end of the day they get three major tenants that will boost the mall exposure and there incoming rent money. It will also ensure that the value of anchored tenants will be restored . The mall owners need the traffic to support the rents the small tenant pay in the mall vs being outside the mall.  
 
Nice play by the mall not sure it could go much better. Most of the old Target location owners wish that their situation turned out this good.

Oh Canada said "Adam gave the exact reason for demolishing part of the building for more parking. The Sobeys will focus its parking and front door to the north of the building . The new restaurant will build in what was the parking lot for target and will have the needed parking. As part of the development they need the supporting parking to support the square feet they are building as well as the traffic and parking they will need to support it .     To most people such a task of tearing down a building for parking is a big deal. To big developers it is like us playing with Lego. At the end of the day they get three major tenants that will boost the mall exposure and there incoming rent money. It will also ensure that the value of anchored tenants will be restored . The mall owners need the traffic to support the rents the small tenant pay in the mall vs being outside the mall.     Nice play by the mall not sure it could go much better. Most of the old Target location owners wish that their situation turned out this good. "

If everyone is correct in saying Sobeys will be knocking down part of the building, then rebuild facing north....this may actually HURT the smaller mall tenants, as there will be no 'mall access' to Sobeys. I cant think of any grocer anywhere that has a mall entrance at the back of the store. Generally the coolers and storage areas are at the back.  
 
As for the liquor mart, it can stay where it is as its independent from Sobeys. Its doubtful Canadian Tire will rebuild in that spot when they have lots of open space to expand. If anything, I can see a Marks/Atmosphere combo happening there....or, as has happened in several cities (Yorkton, Winnipeg), Save-On Foods has taken over Safeway and Sobeys sites.

Adam said "Just for comparisons sake, does anyone know how many sqft their current location is?     I did see in the Cklq story that they're saying the former Target space they're taking over is 60,000 sqft. The link below refers to the full Target space as approx 108,000:   http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/Targets-demise-left-local-retail-landscape-with-huge-holes-to-fill-367210981.html     Not clear if one side or the other has their numbers wrong, or if Sobeys is only taking a portion of the space for themselves? "

Adam mentions that information in the above link states that the former Target space is approximately 108,000 square feet. If Sobeys is going to take 60,000 sqft, then that leaves approximately 48,000 sqft unaccounted for. I heard as recently as a week ago, from what I consider to be a reliable source, that the Target space is to be divided into several retailers. That being said, perhaps the remaining 48,000 sqft will be divided into smaller units for new and/or existing and relocating businesses. To me, it doesn't make sense to demolish 40 feet of building off the north side of the existing space but I know nothing of how these large scale developers operate so guess it will be wait and see what happens. Always so many rumors flying around

so is this going to be a Sobeys Extra location now, since it is much much bigger?

Khakz said "    Oh Canada said "Adam gave the exact reason for demolishing part of the building for more parking. The Sobeys will focus its parking and front door to the north of the building . The new restaurant will build in what was the parking lot for target and will have the needed parking. As part of the development they need the supporting parking to support the square feet they are building as well as the traffic and parking they will need to support it .     To most people such a task of tearing down a building for parking is a big deal. To big developers it is like us playing with Lego. At the end of the day they get three major tenants that will boost the mall exposure and there incoming rent money. It will also ensure that the value of anchored tenants will be restored . The mall owners need the traffic to support the rents the small tenant pay in the mall vs being outside the mall.     Nice play by the mall not sure it could go much better. Most of the old Target location owners wish that their situation turned out this good. " If everyone is correct in saying Sobeys will be knocking down part of the building, then rebuild facing north....this may actually HURT the smaller mall tenants, as there will be no 'mall access' to Sobeys. I cant think of any grocer anywhere that has a mall entrance at the back of the store. Generally the coolers and storage areas are at the back.     As for the liquor mart, it can stay where it is as its independent from Sobeys. Its doubtful Canadian Tire will rebuild in that spot when they have lots of open space to expand. If anything, I can see a Marks/Atmosphere combo happening there....or, as has happened in several cities (Yorkton, Winnipeg), Save-On Foods has taken over Safeway and Sobeys sites. "

If they will do it anymore (though I would admit most people would prefer to have a secondary mall entrance).  
 
I can think of numerous locations that used to have both a main entrance plus a smaller mall entrance. Polo Park and Grant Park Safeway did before they pulled out of the malls. There was also one on Pembina. A few of them in Calgary did as well. Sure was nice to be able to do one stop shopping way back when, especially in the cold of winter.  
 
They don't seem to be a part of these big guys "grand vision" though, why on earth would they want to encourage shoppers with convenience?? (End sarcasm)

I predict a gas station as well to compete with other grocery stores.