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Read their facebook , what they stand for. Pipeline yes sure I am all for, but we will all pay with climate change for our children. Carbon tax yes. As noted before this protest is more Conservative versus Liberal using the platform to climb and and cry because ecomomically they aren’t where they think they should be! Stop complaining and come up with a solution. Silly roadside protests arent an answer.  
 
Edited by Joglow, 2019-01-05 14:48:09

I believe we have to find ways to move forward on pipelines.  
1- I complain  
2 - I see part of the solution (1 action will not address all concerns)  
3 - I support those drawing attention to issues and encouraging all to become more informed.  
4 - I acknowledge that extremists on either end of the political spectrum will spin this to their advantage.

good day, I went to take part in the protest at Virden today ,I thought there was a very nice turn out for the event . In saying that as I was driving in the convoy to Brandon ,Ii was watching all of the people that were lined up along #1 hyway , all age groups and small kids all waving and cheering like a parade . It was nice to see . And then I thought well even as there was no coverage by news on the radio, as I was actively looking for something of a report or something , but nothing not a word . so no news report but I am sure the media will not be able to silence the crowds of people that came out To support the protest . just a point of view

How is building a pipeline to stop the transport of Canada's natural resources via rail and trucks going to add to climate change? How is breaking the reliance on unclean resources from other countries that will NEVER be remotely close to our environmental standards going to add to climate change? How is our natural resources considered "unclean" when we have the highest standards (heck, you can't even park most vehicles in the oil patch without a drip pan underneath it) going to add anymore to climate change....when no other countries have any environmental standards like we do?  
I get that unless you've been in the oil & gas industry you'd never know anything more than the filth and propaganda that the news and environmentalist spew. But our standards are so high that by clamping down on the country with probably the highest standards in the world is NOT going to change any climate change that is either already happening or going to start happening. Because there are all the other countries like the states and middle east/European countries that will not change what they are doing. So once again, Canada takes 1 for the team and our economy suffers and our citizens suffer because we think that we can change the world! People that have no idea of the standards we have, have no idea what the rules they are proposing are doing to this country.  
Yes there are incidents that happen....yes there are environmental impacts that happen....yes there is bad in the oil & gas industry....but there is also many good. No one ever talks about the billions of dollars these industries pump into the economy....into the towns that would be dead if it weren't for them....into the healthcare in many rural towns across Canada....into emergency response (ie. STARS, volly fire depts.)....into small town stores....and the big one no one talks about, the amount of money and time they put into the environment to try to fix incidents or beautify it prior to or after they've been on it working.  
I am not pro-conservatives (not pro-government really), and do not really agree with trying to bring light to the tough economic times the oil & gas industry is going through by wasting fuel driving all over the countryside either. But at least they are trying to do something non-violently. They aren't fighting like we see so many green peace activists do, they are just wasting fuel and making some noise. I do not know all of their agenda, I just know this country needs a kick in the arse to get the economy back and stop being dependent on countries that aren't even remotely clean.

I won’t pretend to know anything about politics because I don’t. I have not read through this thread either. I do not know much about this protest at all. I ended up being on No 1 today in the mix of the traffic.  
 
I think it’s great they are getting attention for their cause (although I do not know all the details) but is there is no need for flying our flag upside down. It was not on all vehicles only a few but that is definitely something that bothered me.

Flying our Canadian flag upside down to me is extremely disrespectful as well as tying up highways during peak times on the weekend. Sorry, but protesting is a negative way of doing things and I disagree with it being great for the attention.  
 
Call your MLA or run for office if you think it's that bad.  
 
Sounds like many of these people would follow TRump and his principles if they could.

Protesting is actually one of the only effective means of getting anything done.  
Sorry if the folks that are protesting to save their jobs and homes and feed their families, disrupted an hour of your day.  
I can assure you that many of us have called our MLA’s and received the same old BS answer and nothing changes.  
As any reasonable person should know, not everyone is capable of running for office, for one reason or another. Even if every protester ran for office, there are obviously not enough positions to go around.  
Although some racists have joined the Yellow Vest movement, I hope they will be weeded out.  
 
A true Yellow Vest supporter knows that Trudeau, Scheer and Singh are not capable of fixing the mess that we are in and that’s because they don’t want to. They’re the problem.

Who ever mikestang is, your 100% correct.  
 
Both the liberal and conservatives suck. Time for a new party?

You response is typical of Brown Shirt elitist.  
You mention reading a book, have you read Compact Migration Document? Are you in favour of shutting down the media if they question Compact Migration? Are you in favour of free speech? Are you in favour of jailing Canadian citizens who speak out against Un Compact Migration? Are you aware your PM thinks this is the right thing to do?  
Are you in favour of anyone from anywhere in the world relocating to Brandon and being able to collect welfare, health care etc? With no vetting. Do you believe migration is a human right?  
 
Love to hear your answers.

My first reaction to the word "brownshirts" are the irregular forces the Nazi party used in the 1920's and 1930's. I suspect you are attempting to describe a party opposite that.  
As for the remainder of your points, have you read the compact? Don't see any of those points you raise there. Please look at the attached and point our where it says that (do it yourself, not by referring to a YouTube video or meme).

I am referring to the Liberal norm of calling people racist and bigots for o:bjecting to Liberal points of view. And yes they are Brown Shirt tactics, the UN encourages this behavior, And do not tell what and where I should get my information. Maybe read the compact Migration document.  
 
 
 
MEP Warns New UN Pact Will Make it Illegal to Criticize Mass Immigration  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
MEP Marcel de Graaff warns that the United Nations global compact on migration will make it a criminal offense for citizens and media outlets to criticize mass immigration.  
 
Speaking during a press conference in the European Parliament, de Graaff, Co-President of the ENF and leader of the Party for Freedom in the European Parliament, said that the deal represented “a coup d’etat of pro-migration liberal globalists, which will greatly benefit multinationals.”  
 
“One basic element of this new agreement is the extension of the definition of hate speech. The agreement wants to criminalize migration speech. Criticism of migration will become a criminal offense. Media outlets that give room to criticism of migration can be shut down,” warned de Graaff.

Ronfoy you just have fell asleep reading the document or don't understand what your reading. I don't blame you, they are so wordy with these documents.  
 
Anyways heres to the two points.  
1 - immigrants are entitled to basic services.  
2 - how far is the government willing to go in suppressing people? What is considered discriminatory in their minds?

1. So immigrants aren't entitled to basic rights? How far do you wish to go on this? Basic humanity would suggest that immigrants are treated like anyone else.  
2. I applaud the references to "evidence-based" in this compact. The truth shall set you free.  
 
It was noted earlier in this thread that none of the three major national parties will address the concerns raised by this protest. Why, then, is the adoption of this issue by one of the three parties allowed? Scheer is attempting to use this issue to score points over Trudeau. By allowing this protest to be co-opted by the mainstream you'll lose all hope of achieving your o:bjectives, and instead will become used for soundbites.

You cannot just read one chapter or two.  
 
Do you agree media and citizens should be Jailed or Muzzled because they disagree with Compact Migration.  
 
You fail to state that Migration becomes a human right.  
 
No more borders, no more Canada, only UN globalization?  
 
New Migrants period. Are entitled to welfare, cpp, any soclial system we have.  
 
Trudeau peoplekind was no mistake or joke, Trudeau took directly from UN Compact Migration document.  
 
This is a very scary document.  
 
Read the whole document, if you fail to read it, then you cannot comment nor should you.  
 
Educate yourself , stop reading just the headlines.  
 
Read the UN Wealth Redistribution Plan well your at it. The carbon tax is part of UN wealth redistribution.

When did the UN become evil?  
 
Also, find a source more centered and reasonable than Marcel de Graaf (successor to Geert Wilders).

I don't know if I would call the UN evil but they certainly operate with a globalist perspective. It also seems that the current trend is for our government to allow the UN more control over what our country does.

on the globalism protest. Been an important part of our standard of living for the last 40 years or so (save money, live better). We've had the artificial boost in standard of living without the corresponding improvement in productivity by buying cheap products that used to be made in North American from Asia - now we get the other side.

rally against Globalism yet benefit from it.

The Yellow Vest Movement is really nothing more than conservatives ranting and raving. Just have to look on their Facebook page. Conservatives seem to become more extreme in their views. Even the more centralist conservatives are being bashed let alone anyone else that disagrees with them, who they call trolls. Many feel liberal minded people should be eliminated (shot, hung, removed from the country). They essentially want to stage a coup and jail anyone that doesn't share there beliefs. Creating false news to excite others.  
 
Essentially they would welcome a one party country, provided it's a conservative one. They seem to believe they are the only type of political party that should exist. Some don't think the current Conservative leader is extreme enough.  
 
The Liberals were democratically elected the same way the Conservatives were elected. Many didn't like the way the Conservatives ran the country either.  
 
I'm getting many of these views directly from the Yellow Vest Facebook page. If you don't believe me, just go there and read majority of the posts there.

Perhaps I misused the term Globalism in your opinion. There are many commonly used definitions. I was referring to an increased control by one mighty international not elected body (UN) at the expense of national sovereignty which was a cornerstone of the UN charter. There has been increased global influence that is inevitable, unstoppable and undeniable. The difference, in my opinion, is when influence over becomes dictation to.  
 
Yes, there are some extremists, in my opinion, that have latched on to the Yellow Vest identity but I don't see any extremist points in the original posts to this thread. If they could be pointed out to me, it would be appreciated.

I am strongly in favor of legal migration and I have never once thought a single party political system sounded like a good idea. In addition, I value free speech and open respectful debate.  
 
Edited by JustASoul, 2019-01-06 23:15:54

Robert Altemeyer, who was a professor at the University of Manitoba, wrote an excellent book called The Authoritarians a little over ten years ago that discusses the trends we can see, even in this thread. (You can actually download a pdf copy for free off the U of M website: http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ )  
 
While it largely focuses on examining events that had been unfolding in the United States (and rightly predicted the intensification of right-wing extremism), its lessons are just as relevant to the political landscape of Canada. Now more than ever.  
 
I lay odds that the individuals railing against the UN Global Compact for Migration haven't read it either, rather they've been fed selected interpretations on Facebook, Reddit, or other similar echo-chambers. It's just the latest boogeyman in right-wing fear campaign. They don't question it. They defer, and they double-down on it. And when a charismatic authoritative personality emerges in our political landscape that will exploit this, they will fall in, a devoted rank and file. Vindicated at last, and certain their moment has arrived. You need look no further than the Trump phenomenon in the United States to see what happens when one such personality appears.  
 
But it's just a coincidence that this segment of the population will be overwhelmingly conservative, and efforts to harness these people will, without fail, come from right-leaning parties.  
 
This yellow vest protest was just another means of exploiting this same type of person.

So it appears that the comments above saying that Scheer, Trudeau, and Singh will do nothing to fix the issues protested by the Yellow Vests was cleverly put - forgetting about our new party leader (Bernier) wasn't an oversight. According to today's Winnipeg Free Press, the organizer of our local protest has ties to Bernier's new party. Seems the lack of response to my comment above about political parties leaching off protests like this for their own, not necessarily similar objectives might be because I was too close to the truth. Most amusing aspect of this, for all these protesters stating "Make Trudeau a Drama Teacher Again", is that the split in right vote might serve to re-elect Trudeau next time around. The history of the Reform and PC parties should be studied - those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

You're new to Brandon, you tell us if it's your basic human right to be able to live where you chose.

Texas is sitting on a newly accesible ocean of oil. No one will use oil by the time that’s gone. People can stamp their feet and have fits like toddlers but that won’t change anything.  
 
Turn the page and pursue a diversified economy resilient to commodity booms and busts.

Would that be considered a Flat(ulance) Tax?