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Holiday Gatherings Already Leading to More Covid Cases...

Dalmation_Girl
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Holiday Gatherings Already Leading to More Covid Cases...
1/6/2021 at 3:32 PM

Well here we go. More than one-third of Manitoba's new cases on Wednesday — 60 — and more than 400 contacts have been definitively linked to holiday gatherings. I want to say thank you to everyone who followed the health directives to not gather with friends, family and to stay home through the holiday season, as our family did. To the ones who did not follow these directives I also want to say shame on you for your part in all of this as I am sure now that we will not be allowed to come out of Code Red on January 8, 2021. The rules are put in place to protect everyone and I really don’t understand why the people who decided to gather through the holidays thought it was ok for them. UGHHH!!!
gopherit
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gopherit
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lockdown
1/6/2021 at 3:51 PM

I guess they like being in lockdown and it gives them more to complain about the gov't trying to end all this. They are part of the problem not the solution. It frustrates me that people go about their lives, gathering with family and friends and travelling while I didn't have Christmas with my kids and grandkids to try to save their lives. No respect. It's not about being sheep led by gov't, it's about trying to end a pandemic. If we weren't in this place I doubt the people would be sheep.
Farmergeorge
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Farmergeorge
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And so it goes on, more suffering, more pain
1/6/2021 at 9:48 PM

More death, more loss, Because people stubbornly refuse to do as they are told in the face of adversity. The pandemic will not go away any time soon.
Brian mailto:confcod
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Brian mailto:confcod
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knew this was going to happen
1/6/2021 at 11:26 PM

people still gathering during code red look what happens rules are in place for a reason to stop the spread maybe we should have curfew from 8pm until 5am like quebec imposed in their province and like the spanish flu in 1918 like was said on the national news on cbc tonight
Cjford
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Cjford
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I get it and I dont
1/7/2021 at 9:18 AM

People are absolutely exhausted with this pandemic and the ultra strict rules we are to follow, I get that for sure. I am as well but still have been continuing to follow the rules to best of my ability. We will never get out of this at the rate we are going if others continue to ignore and gather with others, however I find some of the rules to be a tad ridiculous...

How is it ok for 100 people to gather and toboggan close to one another on a hill or public skating oval yet my child cannot go over to their friends house to have an outdoor skate in their backyard rink when its just the two of them? Most friends are already school mates and have been in contact with one another throughout the school year, playing on same playground at school, running around chasing one another, why is 2 friends getting together in a backyard banned yet if they meet out on the sidewalk and stay 2m apart suddenly covid disappears?
Daisyflower
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Daisyflower
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people are so selfish
1/7/2021 at 9:31 AM

Why do people think the rules don’t apply to them. I want this to be over as much as the next person but these selfish people are extending the restrictions they bitch about so much. I wish people could understand that the numbers need to be down so our health system can keep up. You may not have Covid but you or your family member could have an accident or be sick. If the health system is overwhelmed, it could compromise their care. Health care staff are tired, overwhelmed and scared. I wish people would be adults about this whole thing and just follow the restrictions that are out in place for our safety. Are there some restrictions that seem ridiculous? Sure.....but honestly it’s such a small inconvenience for the greater good.
Adam

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Adam
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Holidays
1/7/2021 at 10:30 AM

The encouraging-ish news is that very few of these cases they're talking about so far will be tied to Brandon or PMH. The increase in case count in Brandon reported over the past five days has been 3, 3, 1, 4, 4. In all of PMH over those five days the reported new daily case counts have been 13 (multi-day), 8, 7, 9, 12.

The chart I've attached is of daily increases in the Brandon case counts based on daily data published on the provincial dashboard (keeping in mind that there were a couple days over the holidays where data wasn't released until the following day).

Not a time at all for any kind of victory lap since we definitely had our share of non-compliance over the holidays and its still the same virus capable of spreading here every bit as much as it is anywhere else... but I'm hopeful that on average more folks are doing the right thing here.

Like we saw with the outbreaks at the jail and Fairview, all it takes is one case getting into an environment that the virus likes spreading in and we have a new problem.... and a problem you dont necessarily know you have until many days after the fact because of delay between when someone gets the virus and when it shows up in testing. Especially knowing that we need to continue to listen for and follow guidance as we hopefully minimize impact of the virus on this community until more and more vaccine doses are available!
Abbysmum
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Abbysmum
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rules
1/7/2021 at 10:38 AM

Cjford said "People are absolutely exhausted with this pandemic and the ultra strict rules we are to follow, I get that for sure. I am as well but still have been continuing to follow the rules to best of my ability. We will never get out of this at the rate we are going if others continue to ignore and gather with others, however I find some of the rules to be a tad ridiculous...

How is it ok for 100 people to gather and toboggan close to one another on a hill or public skating oval yet my child cannot go over to their friends house to have an outdoor skate in their backyard rink when its just the two of them? Most friends are already school mates and have been in contact with one another throughout the school year, playing on same playground at school, running around chasing one another, why is 2 friends getting together in a backyard banned yet if they meet out on the sidewalk and stay 2m apart suddenly covid disappears? "
I understand what you're saying. But, the rules are complicated enough as it is. Starting to make exceptions? It gets even more convoluted. How do you determine who's "okay" to be in your home, and who's not?

Tobogganing, they're supposed to be following the rules. If they are not, it's not the fault of the rules (groups should be at least 6 feet/2m apart, no mixing, if crowded you shouldn't go etc), but of the users. The weak link is ALWAYS going to be the user, because human nature.
Adam

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Adam
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Testing
1/7/2021 at 11:48 AM

Also just further to a prev post on testing. please see link below for more details. From the provincial Covid site, "Testing is critical, as it helps identify and isolate cases and contacts early. This helps to limit further spread and protect those at increased risk. "

If you have symptoms, the self-assessment tool to determine next steps is at:
https://sharedhealthmb.ca/covid19/screening-tool/

Full details on testing in the province at:
https://manitoba.ca/covid19/testing/index.html
inittowinit
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yup
1/7/2021 at 12:37 PM

Numbers are already going up. Today there are more new than recovered. I'm so upset that I gave up my Christmas so others could go and mess things up for my future. Kids were looking forward to getting together with their family for a late Christmas. We were so hopeful.
Thanks to all those selfish people who are wrecking it for the rest of us.
Happy_ Hour
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Happy_ Hour
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1/7/2021 at 7:45 PM

I'm just really annoyed with all of this.

We were told at Thanksgiving to stay home so we could celebrate Christmas. At Christmas we were told to stay home so we could get out of code red.

I just don't get why so many people did as they wanted and got us in this predicament. WTH is wrong with people ?

Sorry, I had to let it out.

Edited by Happy_ Hour, 2021-01-07 19:48:32
Dalmation_Girl
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Dalmation_Girl
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Was waiting for tonight to see....
1/7/2021 at 8:06 PM

And just as I figured people gathering for Ukrainian Christmas celebrations. GRRR!!! Why won’t people just stay home. I guess they figure they won’t catch this virus. There should be no help for them if they do. Makes us soooo mad as we are doing everything we are told. We won’t get out of Code Red anytime soon with idiots like this out there. Do they not watch the news? Don’t they see what is going on in the USA? We will be like the USA soon if people don’t start following the rules. This is hard on everybody. Let’s all do our part .
Cjford
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Cjford
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If you see people doing it
1/7/2021 at 8:29 PM

Dalmation_Girl said "And just as I figured people gathering for Ukrainian Christmas celebrations. GRRR!!! Why won’t people just stay home. I guess they figure they won’t catch this virus. There should be no help for them if they do. Makes us soooo mad as we are doing everything we are told. We won’t get out of Code Red anytime soon with idiots like this out there. Do they not watch the news? Don’t they see what is going on in the USA? We will be like the USA soon if people don’t start following the rules. This is hard on everybody. Let’s all do our part . "
https://forms.gov.mb.ca/covid-tip-line/

Fill it out.

Edited by Cjford, 2021-01-07 20:29:36
BenRidgers
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BenRidgers
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Thanks Adam
1/7/2021 at 10:02 PM

for trying to smoothen the wave. I think we are all exhausted with the pandemic. what makes me most frustrated is that I try to obey the rules. and thanks the vaccine is coming. but why we getting still news that the mutation is bad and we will have a lock down way longer as we think. this information is not really helping to look forward. even if 2021 just started , I think 2021 will be a disaster again, when we keep this fear and the slow rollout of the vaccine. other complain, why is every one mad when someone is travelling? and who can say it is not necessary? my mom lives not here in Canada and I do not know how much longer she will be on our world.
Gham
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Gham
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Numbers
1/8/2021 at 7:06 AM

If you really look at those numbers it’s not horrible.

400 contacts from 60 cases is only 6-7 contacts per person.

I bet most people have that anyways. I sure do, between family and coworkers etc.
Farmergeorge
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1/8/2021 at 7:29 AM

Gham said "If you really look at those numbers it’s not horrible.

400 contacts from 60 cases is only 6-7 contacts per person.

I bet most people have that anyways. I sure do, between family and coworkers etc. "
7 contacts per person who then each spread virus to another 7 contacts who each spread it to another 7 contacts and pretty soon you fill a hospital to capacity. Do you recognize a familiar pattern? Or it infects another care facility. Then a few of them die and or the virus mutates again. And then this week we will see the effects of drunken New Years gatherings.
Sounds like a total disaster to me!
People don’t get it.
Jellybean
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....
1/8/2021 at 7:35 AM

Gham said "If you really look at those numbers it’s not horrible.

400 contacts from 60 cases is only 6-7 contacts per person.

I bet most people have that anyways. I sure do, between family and coworkers etc. "
Not that bad? Really? And then those 6-7 people each has contact with 6-7 more, etc.

As a family we have been following the rules completely, and still realize the impact we could have on the community if we were to catch it somehow. My husband could easily spread it to around 10 people at work, our kids each roughly 20 in their classes. From there someone might bring it home to a person who works in healthcare and they spread it to a healthcare facility, etc. etc.

It’s not about the mortality rate of the disease itself, it’s the manner in which it spreads, which then overwhelms our healthcare system. There are other far more deadly diseases out there, but they don’t spread like COVID does.

If people would have just followed the more reasonable rules last summer/fall, we wouldn’t be in this situation with rules that are far more exhausting to follow and are impacting far more people so negatively.
Dalmation_Girl
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Dalmation_Girl
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I was right...
1/8/2021 at 2:58 PM

Manitoba lockdown extended two weeks after 355 cases tied to holiday gatherings.. Thanks holiday gatherers. Also, thanks to all the families who did not gather for the holidays as we were the ones who did what we were told and did not contribute to the case numbers rising. Hopefully those people who did not adhere to the guidelines will now do what they are told so we don’t continue down this long lockdown. I think we have all had enough. Enough is enough is enough!!!
Dalmation_Girl
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Dalmation_Girl
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Should have added this...
1/8/2021 at 3:17 PM

With the more than 355 COVID-19 cases now there is nearly 1,900 contacts that have been linked to holiday gatherings . In some cases, gatherings of more than two dozen people were reported. I can’t believe, we’ll actually I can, that people are that selfish and uncaring at this troubling time to put all of us into this state for a few hours or couple of days to celebrate the holidays when we were specifically told not to gather and stay at home. Unbelievable!!! There will most likely be a lot more cases in the coming days and many more contacts who get infected. My bet is that come January 22 that we are again held into another 2 week lockdown. I hope I am wrong in my prediction. Time will tell!!!
Farmergeorge
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Farmergeorge
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Why not
1/8/2021 at 5:55 PM

Enforce a curfew like many other countries have introduced.
Unless restrictions are policed and controlled some people will continue to disobey covid restrictions and will continue to put others at risk of infection.
sammy
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beyond frustrating
1/8/2021 at 6:51 PM

Do I agree to all the rules? No
Do I think all the rules make sense? No
Do I think you’ll spontaneously get covid if you are in a large group? No
Do I think we’ll get it if we don’t always wear a mask? No
Do I follow the rules? YES

Because by following the rules, I can’t be blamed for these ongoing restrictions.

Because by following the rules, I won’t be contributing to someone who loses their business or job because they can’t open.

Because by following the rules, I show that I am in this together with my fellow Manitobans.

Because by following the rules, I show that I’m not some entitled brat who thinks I’m above the others

No matter what anyone thinks about covid or the rules, the govt will keep us in lockdown until they see numbers decrease consistently. It is what it is. So be strong and do what they’re asking us to do. We could have been out of these restrictions long ago had they actually enforced strict restrictions and people followed them.

My greatest concern with this pandemic is and always has been people’s livelihoods and because of some selfish Manitobans, many risk losing theirs. Start thinking of others!! Please

It’s not just about whether it’s just a flu or not.
lovingmylife
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Holiday gatherings
1/8/2021 at 6:58 PM

Agreed - very well said Sammy, thank you.
Adam

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Brandon
1/9/2021 at 2:40 PM

Just to followup on prev comments...
Though we had a very positive start to the year in case counts, Brandon had its fourth-worst day of the pandemic today in terms of new cases with 21 reported. Nature of cases isn't clear, though an outbreak at Samaritan House Safe and Warm Shelter was declared. Other thing that's stood out over these past three days is that 18 out of the increase of 82 cases in Prairie Mountain Health has been in the 10-19 age bracket. 15 have come in age 80 and up.
Jellybean
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....,
1/9/2021 at 6:50 PM

Wasn’t sure where to post this, but anytime I notice large numbers of age 19 and under being announced, I always wait to see which schools will have been affected. The number of schools announcing exposures doesn’t seem to add up with the numbers in the school age range of positive cases. I know there are home schoolers or those that are just graduated or under 5 and may not be in school yet, but it still doesn’t seem to add up. Just always makes me a bit nervous with 3 school aged kids.
Leonidas
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updates?
1/9/2021 at 8:32 PM

what really intrigues me are 2 things here
https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/restartmb/prs/prairie_mountain/index.html
Firstly
This hasn't been updated since date shown 17th Dec I just reloaded it too so clearly it hasn't and I mean the chart at the bottom of the page not the PDF.
Secondly
It states
If you visited one of these sites on the dates/times below, you do not need to self-isolate. However, you should self-monitor for symptoms and seek testing if symptoms develop.
So you may have been exposed /could have been exposed you do not need to self isolate, which could be up to 14 days later so carry on wandering around shopping whatever else and spread it .
I don't get it if you've possibly been exposed ya should be staying home to see if it develops I would think cos I would for sure . Maybe that's just me being a concerned citizen

Edited by Leonidas, 2021-01-09 20:35:32
Brian mailto:confcod
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1918 pandemic
1/9/2021 at 9:28 PM

the spanish flu how they get rid of it
BenRidgers
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BenRidgers
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is the hate against each other the new normal?
1/9/2021 at 9:48 PM

all my time here in Manitoba I was thinking Canadians are the most loving and friendly people. I know this pandemic makes the hole world worse in uncertain times. my wish is that we have to stay humans all over the world. blaming each other will not make the situation better. I can understand everyone who obeys to the health order. but also can see the point of them who has enough of this. we all wanna see the light at the and of the tunnel. what is the world tops doing? they raise our hopes that now with the vaccine it will get better. but No, they say we have to lock down the world, ok. most are obey, than when the time comes to recheck, they tell us again two more weeks. ok but, how often you wanna hear that? when the government opens a door and than slams it back shut. you only stretching the hope and feelings of the population. and than the leaders wonder why some are not doing as told. we need concrete information and dates where we can count on that something will change. in my opinion it looks like most people like the government control and want police/military enforcement. great than we should get all informed what there plan is and not hold back on information. not only here in Canada, I mean all over the world. this is only my opinion, even I get blamed for what I said here. I still hope and pray that this will go away, not in a month, but in a couple. and mostly do not wanna wait till 2022.

Edited by BenRidgers, 2021-01-09 21:53:10
Adam

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Age breakdown
1/9/2021 at 10:33 PM

Further to discussion on age...
Keep in mind that the jail and Fairview outbreaks will have an outsized impact on comparisons, but just looking at daily Prairie Mountain Health age data that I've recorded from what the province has published:

For Nov 9-Dec 9 there was an increase of 66 cases reported in the under 20 age bracket.
For Dec 9-Jan 9 there was an increase of 109 cases reported in the same under 20 age.

At the other end of the spectrum:
Age 80 and over had 94 increase in reported cases from Nov 9 - Dec 9
Age 80 and over had 25 increase in reported cases from Dec 9 - Jan 9

All that said, the highest number of cases in both timeframes was the 20-39 age bracket.... 149 from Nov 9 - Dec 9 and 178 from Dec 9 to Jan 9.

Graphs below show portion of cases for the age brackets over the time frames:
Adam

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Since Christmas
1/9/2021 at 11:21 PM

Or more specifically on the subject of cases since Christmas, the breakdown of increase by age bracket from the final update before Christmas to today:

Age 0-19: 44
Age 20-39: 55
Age 40-59: 43
Age 60-79: 25
Age 80 and over: 15
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1/10/2021 at 11:56 AM

Thanks for that breakdown Adam. Hopefully that increase in below 19 age won’t be translating into a disaster for schools when kids all return next week.

Thinking about my last post, maybe the small number of schools we are seeing reported in relation to what seems like a disproportionate amount of positive cases means that parents are taking the necessary precautions and the school communities are not being exposed. I know I’ve seen such a great attitude in our own school community and families are taking this all very seriously, keeping their kids home even for minor illness and getting testing even if it seems overboard.